Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Steve_uk]

Like Sheila,Princess Diana had endured a stifled  and starchy existence and must have desperately searched for a way out at times. Love was what was lacking in the two of them up until the children came along in which both drew their love from the children until history repeated itself ( divorce ) and for Sheila it meant facing a lonely time when she didn't have the boys with her. What a Godforsaken miserable life for someone so young and not a decent friend to give her the time.     
Sheila must have felt that life wasn't worth living, though she hadn't indicated such but her mental health was testament to that,as was Diana's when she had eating problems then attempted to throw herself downstairs.

Yes and both Sheila and Diana self-harmed. I'd like to think that both of them wanted children and drew their love from them as you call it. I wonder if things might have been different had they had daughters instead of sons(and Jeremy out of the picture).

[maggie]

Maggie I saw the film about Steve Jobs.  It should be out on DVD now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_%282015_film%29

Thanks Jackie. 

[JackiePreece]

I don't recall saying I'm interested in housework.

Read my post again 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg364472.html#msg364472

[lookout]

Yes and both Sheila and Diana self-harmed. I'd like to think that both of them wanted children and drew their love from them as you call it. I wonder if things might have been different had they had daughters instead of sons(and Jeremy out of the picture).

Yes,I wonder about the two sons each. Perhaps one of each ? We'll never know. Very sad indeed.

[JackiePreece]

I've recently been reading the Dickinson report.  What about this

"There is no doubt looking at the background of the SPEAKMAN/BAMBER and BOUTFLOUR families, that Jeremy and Sheila were completely out of step".

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1168.0;attach=5937

A police officer has decided Jeremy and Sheila were completely out of step based on what?  What was in step?  Whose step were they supposed to be in step with?

[lookout]

Yes,I wonder about the two sons each. Perhaps one of each ? We'll never know. Very sad indeed.

In Claire Powell's book Sheila had told her friend Tara that she wished the boys " behaved like boys,roughed-up a bit or they'd end up like ballet dancers ",poor little things. Was there ever a time when CC took them to play footie,or messed about in the park climbing trees ? That's another chapter in their little lives that probably didn't materialse. While the adults only spoke of how they felt,etc etc and as long as their entertainments weren't disrupted !! Makes me sick quite honestly, when most parents should put their children first like I and many others did and to Hell with everything else.

[JackiePreece]

I think you have your phrases mixed up Jackie as the name of the book is The Primal Wound.

I agree that a truly loving well bonded familyholds a family together but it doesn't help with outside influences which we all have to overcome.

What do I know about the psychology of the children of the Queen ? It is believed that premature babies put into incubators and not held and bonded with the mother will suffer for some extent from separation, and loss of part of themselves.

Don't know what Caroline would say about any of it but strange how so many people with no experience of adoption think they have all the answers.  Wish I had all the answers.

But is there anything unique about adoption?  Lots of babies and small children lose their mothers through famine, war, illness/death, accidents.  Do these babies and small children all suffer primal screams?

[JackiePreece]

Maggie is this book you talk about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primal_Scream

[Steve_uk]

In Claire Powell's book Sheila had told her friend Tara that she wished the boys " behaved like boys,roughed-up a bit or they'd end up like ballet dancers ",poor little things. Was there ever a time when CC took them to play footie,or messed about in the park climbing trees ? That's another chapter in their little lives that probably didn't materialse. While the adults only spoke of how they felt,etc etc and as long as their entertainments weren't disrupted !! Makes me sick quite honestly, when most parents should put their children first like I and many others did and to Hell with everything else.

Thinking that it might be misconstrued I almost wish I hadn't written that about them having boys and not girls, because it's not the children's fault in either case. As for Colin, it's difficult when you're sharing custody and sometimes it's better just to go with the flow, Colin giving them very rich experiences those last few months at art galleries and the Royal Albert Hall, as Londoners are very lucky to have everything on their doorstep. It was Sheila who took the children to Paddington Recreation Ground and really did her best with them as well given her medical condition.

[JackiePreece]

Thinking that it might be misconstrued I almost wish I hadn't written that about them having boys and not girls, because it's not the children's fault in either case. As for Colin, it's difficult when you're sharing custody and sometimes it's better just to go with the flow, Colin giving them very rich experiences those last few months at art galleries and the Royal Albert Hall, as Londoners are very lucky to have everything on their doorstep. It was Sheila who took the children to Paddington Recreation Ground and really did her best with them as well given her medical condition.

What did Daniel and Nicholas count as "rich experiences"? 

[lookout]

Thinking that it might be misconstrued I almost wish I hadn't written that about them having boys and not girls, because it's not the children's fault in either case. As for Colin, it's difficult when you're sharing custody and sometimes it's better just to go with the flow, Colin giving them very rich experiences those last few months at art galleries and the Royal Albert Hall, as Londoners are very lucky to have everything on their doorstep. It was Sheila who took the children to Paddington Recreation Ground and really did her best with them as well given her medical condition.

No,it isn't the children's faults as they didn't ask to be born. Art galleries and the RAH aren't exactly places of interest for 6 year olds and I would have said that it was where their father's interest lay more so. However,I suppose it was better than nothing. As for Sheila,she was in no fit state to entertain the boys any more than she did. What a sad state of affairs it all was.

[JackiePreece]

Of course not all adopted kids are angry - but I believe Jeremy was. Sheila was able to meet her birth mother but I believe Jeremy was afraid of yet more rejection. Instead he just dismissed it as something he wasn't interested in.

Everyone has some kind of temper - it doesn't mean you will see it.

Yes, I get you point, perhaps when Susan sprayed the cream, he had a flash back to shooting Sheila.

At the time of the cream spraying incident Julie claims she had told Susan.  What sort of young women invite a mass murderer to their party and mess about with him using spray cream    What have you got to say about this with your psychologies degree and good spatial awareness?

[JackiePreece]

I have no idea what PH is doing but I would guess he's moved on from Jeremy Bamber.

Something truly extraordinary eh? And yet he's still incarcerated, SM is no longer involved and MWT seems to be just a name that you mention frequently - we don't know if either of them are still Jeremy supporters or if they ever were. They simply had a job to do.

Although I must add. I agree that the CT are useless.

Moved on to what?  I would think his crime writing has reached an end?

[lookout]

No,it isn't the children's faults as they didn't ask to be born. Art galleries and the RAH aren't exactly places of interest for 6 year olds and I would have said that it was where their father's interest lay more so. However,I suppose it was better than nothing. As for Sheila,she was in no fit state to entertain the boys any more than she did. What a sad state of affairs it all was.

Mrs Brenchers statement was pretty harrowing in the part where Sheila sobbed like a child in her arms. Mrs B had said it was the first time that she'd seen Sheila showing emotion ?  Then the next thing,Sheila had shown the poor woman the door.

[JackiePreece]

I think the lower rates of crime in the Mediterranean countries can be traced back to the concept of the extended family.

Do you have any evidence for the lower rates of crime?  What are the reporting methods compared with UK?