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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #420 on: October 25, 2024, 11:10:PM »
Fish Street & Head Street adjoin each other.

They both back onto the same field.

No 5 fields.

Google earth shows five fields from the rear of his property to the Sea Wall.

I have never claimed it isn't accessible from the road.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #421 on: October 25, 2024, 11:12:PM »
Wilkinson walked, cycled, and drove.

He was a DI, so he may have got a junior to do it and report back but he made the statement.

Anyhow, the point is they explored all the routes.

Julie did mention the bike, but only mentioned seeing it two days after arriving at goldhanger. She did not see it on her first two days staying at the property.

But even so, only Jeremy knows. We never will.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #422 on: October 25, 2024, 11:14:PM »
I would drive.

I wouldn't want to mess around on a bike.

I would want to be in and out and back to my cottage.

The longer I'm out and about the bigger risk I have of getting nicked.

It's that simple.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #423 on: October 25, 2024, 11:34:PM »
Google earth shows five fields from the rear of his property to the Sea Wall.

I have never claimed it isn't accessible from the road.

You do know the entrance to the Sea Wall is on Fish Street.

This is 200 metres from the back of 9, Head Street.

Going across/alongside the field that adjoins Head Street & Fish Street 
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #424 on: October 26, 2024, 12:12:AM »
You do know the entrance to the Sea Wall is on Fish Street.

This is 200 metres from the back of 9, Head Street.

Going across/alongside the field that adjoins Head Street & Fish Street

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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #425 on: October 26, 2024, 12:15:AM »
Neither Jeremy Bamber, myself, Adam, Robert Boutflour, the relatives, anybody who is interested in the case can lie about geographical facts. So what does it boil down to?

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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #426 on: October 26, 2024, 08:07:AM »
The caravan site she went to was 5 miles from Bamber's cycle route.

In the opposite direction!

I'm not entirely certain how au fait you are with the local geography as you seemed not to know where Vaulty was in relation to Goldhanger. It, too, like Osea Leisure, is in the opposite direction. JB, en route to WHF, by whatever means, would have no need to go to it, near it, or by it. Ergo, however "heavily populated" Barbara D'Ath claimed the sea wall to be between Osea and Goldhanger is of no moment. JB's seawall route went, in the opposite direction, between Goldhanger and Tollesbury.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #427 on: October 26, 2024, 10:12:AM »
Bamber had 4 options to get to the Sea Wall entrance on Fish Street. These would take between 60 seconds and 120 seconds -

Cycle down Head Street and Fish Street - 60 seconds.

Cycle down the pathway along the side of the field that adjoins Head Street & Fish Street - 60 seconds.

Cycle across the field that adjoins Head Street and Fish Street. Terrain permitting - 60 seconds.

Walk across the field that adjoins Head Street and Fish Street. Carrying the bike - 120 seconds.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #428 on: October 26, 2024, 10:23:AM »
De ATH was just reminiscing about her times at osea.

I think De Ath needs to speak herself on the matter.

De Ath is truthful. She knows Bambers route.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #429 on: October 26, 2024, 10:24:AM »
Bamber had 4 options to get to the Sea Wall entrance on Fish Street. These would take between 60 seconds and 120 seconds -

Cycle down Head Street and Fish Street - 60 seconds.

Cycle down the pathway along the side of the field that adjoins Head Street & Fish Street - 60 seconds.

Cycle across the field that adjoins Head Street and Fish Street. Terrain permitting - 60 seconds.

Walk across the field that adjoins Head Street and Fish Street. Carrying the bike - 120 seconds.

Car - 6 minutes

Sea wall 35 minutes
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #430 on: October 26, 2024, 10:26:AM »
In the opposite direction!

I'm not entirely certain how au fait you are with the local geography as you seemed not to know where Vaulty was in relation to Goldhanger. It, too, like Osea Leisure, is in the opposite direction. JB, en route to WHF, by whatever means, would have no need to go to it, near it, or by it. Ergo, however "heavily populated" Barbara D'Ath claimed the sea wall to be between Osea and Goldhanger is of no moment. JB's seawall route went, in the opposite direction, between Goldhanger and Tollesbury.

I'm sorry Jane, but De ath was on about Jeremy's route.

Part of the story of osea is just her reminiscence on meeting the family.

I do know where vaulty is, a 37 minute walk from goldhanger.

After RB had walked 9 hours to visit his favorite nephew from carbonells
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #431 on: October 26, 2024, 10:37:AM »
Car - 6 minutes

Sea wall 35 minutes

Going by the long gap between ringing Julie and the police, time was not important to him.

Bamber thought cycling would take 15 minutes. I believe 20 minutes at 5 minutes a mile.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #432 on: October 26, 2024, 10:47:AM »
I'm sorry Jane, but De ath was on about Jeremy's route.

Part of the story of osea is just her reminiscence on meeting the family.

I do know where vaulty is, a 37 minute walk from goldhanger.

After RB had walked 9 hours to visit his favorite nephew from carbonells


I guess Osea to Goldhanger, via the sea wall, would also be around 37 minutes.

Not sure about RB doing a 9 hour walk to visit his 'favourite' nephew, though. Would he have left before sun-rise to reach him for afternoon tea, or left around 10am to get there in time for supper?

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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #433 on: October 26, 2024, 11:06:AM »
D'eath says -

'The sea wall encircled the camp, the bit around was tarmacked so that people could walk or ride a bike along with ease. It was always busy during weekends and school holidays. Families would go to their vans and spend the entire holidays there. Fathers would either travel back and forth to work or stay from Friday night to Sunday night there. Children would be up late; barbeques were a group affair where several families would get together and party sometimes till the early hours.

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This is about the caravan site and the 'tarmaked' Sea Wall 'encircling' it.

Bamber's route was 5 miles away.
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Re: CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.
« Reply #434 on: October 26, 2024, 11:12:AM »
The only way to access Bamber's route was -

Via Pages Lane.

Via Fish Street.

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No reason why anyone would choose to go to these two very remote entrances at 2am. 

To access an even more remote area which had no lighting, shops or amenities.
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