Sheilas Two Shots

[snow66!]

I totally agree Snow, when the toxicology reports showed Sheila was not sedated I became very interested in the case when watching the WHF series.

Am glad you can see through Adams BS!

Well,i respect Adams point of view Rob,but i simply cannot agree with it.

[Rob_]

Well,i respect Adams point of view Rob,but i simply cannot agree with it.

I do try to respect his view as well Snow but when he says things like she was sedated when he knows she was not it's hard to.

[snow66!]

I do try to respect his view as well Snow but when he says things like she was sedated when he knows she was not it's hard to.

Well Adam thinks the Haloperidol sedated her Rob.But having studied the drug and its common side effects,i do not agree.

[Rob_]

Well Adam thinks the Haloperidol sedated her Rob.But having studied the drug and its common side effects,i do not agree.

He knows full well Haloperidol would not sedate her Snow.

[snow66!]

He knows full well Haloperidol would not sedate her Snow.

Well the thing is Rob,drugs are given to relieve symptoms and enhance the day to day life of the patient.If Haloperidol was sedating Sheila to that extent,it has detracted from her quality of life.Maybe that is why the dosage was halved.After it was halved,it is hard to believe she would still be acting like an unresponsive zombie with severe brain fog.If that was the case,what the heck kind of a sedated state was she in before it was reduced?

[snow66!]

And as for sleeping through most of the disturbance,are we really expected to believe that when Nevill and June were shot,that they didnt scream their heads off,with shock and pain.Was Nevill unable to scream  as well as unable to talk.And no speaking or shouting from anyone that may have roused Sheila.Sheila who,as Adam says was only a few yards away across the landing.I wonder if any other major shootings have been carried out,where aperson who was not a target woke up in the morning and found out they had slept through a night of carnage.Sound feasible?

[Adam]

He knows full well Haloperidol would not sedate her Snow.

Haloperidol has sedative effects. See the link to my thread. It's also in the COA.

Keep up.

[Adam]

Well,not according to the scenario the police sent to the DPP Adam,but many of us find their scenario laughable.

I agree with some of the police scenario. Although find it doubtful Sheila woke.

If she did wake mid massacre, it would make no difference to the outcome. Bamber had already killed everyone else & violently beaten Nevill. Sheila was not going to stop him finishing the job.

[Adam]

To be fair the police scenario is 10 times better than Snow's Sheila scenario. This has 6 'maybe's' before Nevill even gets out bed! -

Maybe Sheila shot the twins first.

Maybe Sheila screamed afterwards for some reason. Very loudly.

Maybe this woke Crispy.

Maybe Crispy barked. Very loudly & continuously.

Maybe this woke Nevill. But not June.

Maybe Nevill got out of bed. But did not wake June.

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Don't get me started on June walking around then getting shot in bed & Sheila locking herself in the bathroom. 

[Adam]

Rob's Sheila scenario isn't any better. He abandoned it straight away after attempting but failing to adequatly answer 4 of my 34 questions. Quickly changing tactics & saying 'a Sheila scenario is not important'.

Rob now claims Bamber is innocent because he wouldn't use the silencer, then put it away in it's proper place - away from the crime scene!

[Adam]

To avoid dozens of 'maybe's' or not being able to answer questions on a scenario, you just need to follow the crime scene evidence.

A Bamber scenario is straight forward & matches the crime scene evidence.

There is no evidence Sheila committed the massacre. A fully fit Nevill would instantly negate Sheila. So not sure why people attempt an impossible scenario.

[Adam]

To be fair Snow66! agreed his Sheila scenario was rubbish & created his 'revised Sheila scenario'. However that was also rubbish.

As said, Rob won't defend his own Sheila scenario. His main focus is on Bamber putting the silencer away.

[Jane]

But thats it Jane,if her medication was reduced to the proper dose,WHY was she in the state Adam talks about,the state that prompted JB to put his plan into action that night.

Simply because Haloperidol is meant to have a calming influence. Combine that with the lethargy caused by her depression, and you have clear picture of what her mental state was. The behaviours she was exhibiting in the fortnight prior to her death were more indications of depression, than problems with medication.

[Jane]

Sheila would have gone balistic.

"Ballistic" is hardly an appropriate state to apply to Sheila. Other than throwing things at Colin during a time when she wasn't medicated -and he admits to having provoked her- there doesn't seem to have been anything close to violence in her.

[Jane]

I think some witnesses said Sheila was in good spirits leading up to the shooting Jane,meaning she would not comit suicide,So what was her condition,where do we seperate the fact from the fiction?

Well I never! I think you may have just rewritten the potential suicide code! It seems that all it takes is "some witnesses" saying the 'victim' "was in good spirits" to mean it wasn't possible for them to "commit suicide"? Supposing you go back and read those who talked about her failing to take care of her personal hygiene and having no interest generally. Even her mother noted her listlessness. Suicide requires mental energy. Something Sheila seemed short on. If she couldn't raise the energy to kill herself, it's highly unlikely she'd have been able to kill four other people first.

By the way, if you want the professional insight to her condition I suggest you read the statements made by her doctor, Dr Hugh Ferguson.