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Re: Sheilas Two Shots
« Reply #195 on: March 14, 2022, 09:07:PM »
Another option Bamber had with Sheila was to wake her & use friendly persuasion to get her to stand up. Then lift her off her feet & carry her the few feet to her final resting place.

Sheila would be half asleep, on Haloperidol & not know everyone else had been killed. She would also trust her brother.

She would not have time to react to being lifted as taken by surprise.

Although Bamber may have attempted friendly persuasion to direct Sheila into the main bedroom. Again relying on Sheila trusting her brother.
Trusting her brother Adam,what about after she saw what he had done to her mother?Too weak Adam,too weak.

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« Reply #196 on: March 14, 2022, 09:09:PM »
Sheila would have gone balistic.

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« Reply #197 on: March 14, 2022, 09:12:PM »
Trusting her brother Adam,what about after she saw what he had done to her mother?Too weak Adam,too weak.

My post says Sheila had not woken. So trusted her brother.

Keep up.
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« Reply #198 on: March 14, 2022, 09:16:PM »

I wonder why it is that you appear dismissive of what Sheila's friends said of her behaviours and appearance in the fortnight prior to her death, but seem prepared to accept an uncorroborated report of her "shouting obscenities at a workman". You are also ignoring that Sheila, because it seems she'd been overmedicated when she left hospital, had visited her doctor and asked for it to be reduced.
I think some witnesses said Sheila was in good spirits leading up to the shooting Jane,meaning she would not comit suicide,So what was her condition,where do we seperate the fact from the fiction?

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« Reply #199 on: March 14, 2022, 09:17:PM »
It is surprising that people believe Sheila woke.

The twins were shot in their sleep, June shot 5 times while she slept & Nevill ran straight downstairs while being shot 4 times.

Bamber using a silencer.

So basically a silent massacre upstairs.

Sheila was asleep, under sedation & behind thick walls & doors.
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« Reply #200 on: March 14, 2022, 09:18:PM »
Was she so depressed that she could do something drastic,or was she in good spirits?

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« Reply #201 on: March 14, 2022, 09:19:PM »
It is surprising that people believe Sheila woke.

The twins were shot in their sleep, June shot 5 times while she slept & Nevill ran straight downstairs while being shot 4 times.

Bamber using a silencer.

So basically a silent massacre upstairs.

Sheila was asleep, under sedation & behind thick walls & doors.
No Adam ,it is surprising anyone believes she was ever asleep.

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« Reply #202 on: March 14, 2022, 09:22:PM »
My post says Sheila had not woken. So trusted her brother.

Keep up.
The prosecution said there was no love lost between them Adam,so i dont think Sheila was going to let him man handle her in ANY way.

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« Reply #203 on: March 14, 2022, 09:27:PM »
There is a very slim chance Sheila woke from the downstairs kitchen fight. But that was over quickly & a long way from Sheila.

If she did wake & decide to go into the main bedroom, Bamber had to deal with her upon his return upstairs. Which would not be difficult for him.
Well,not according to the scenario the police sent to the DPP Adam,but many of us find their scenario laughable.

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« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2022, 09:42:PM »
According to the latest research into when 'Pc Myall' arrived at the scene [3.39am] as confirmed in one of his witness statements, and also, that it is recorded in another police log [' MAJOR INCIDENT REGISTER'] in the first entry (0001) timed 03.45hrs, it states that at the noted time, that 'Pc  Myall' saw 'an unidentified man' walking away from the grounds of 'WHF'. Now, if this incident occurred at 03.45hrs, on the morning of the 7th August 1985, as alleged, then he could not have arrived at the scene along with the occupants of call-sign 'CA07' containing 'PS Bews' and 'PS Saxby' who set off from 'Witham police station at 3.35am to attend the unfolding domestic drama on going at the farmhouse as reported via the first phone call received by' PC West'  in the control room at Chelmsford police headquarters at 3.26am (earlier).

For the benefit of being transparent, police documents, logs, and testimony during the 'October 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial - the occupants of' CA07' arrived at the scene outside FARM (tied) cottages on 'PAGES LANE' at 3.48hrs, a journey which took all of 13 minutes to complete [3.35am - 3.48am]!!!

With this in mind, how was it possible for 'Pc Myall' to arrive at the scene, in the company of 'PS Bews' and 'PS Saxby'  by 3.39am, which could not possibly be true! For it to be true, it would mean that the occupants of 'CA07' took only 4 minutes, to travel from 'Witham police station' if the time of their actual departure  really was at 3.35am! This is a significant development! Because, 'If', the occupants of vehicle 'CA07' ['PS BEWS', 'PS SAXBY' and 'PC MYALL'] had all arrived at the scene by 3.39hrs, then their departure time from 'WITHAM POLICE STATION' would have had to have been some 13 minutes earlier, than their arrival time at the scene [3.39am] could lead to a departure time from 'Witham police station some 13 minutes earlier, or in other words at 3.31hrs...

What careful analysis of these facts help to establish, is that' Pc Myall' left 'Witham police station to attend the scene at around about 3.31am [ not 3.35hrs] whilst the occupants [`Bews' and 'Saxby'] which arrived at the scene until 3.48am, did not leave 'Witham police station' to go to the scene until 3.35hrs [some 4 minutes later than 'Pc Myall']. I have taken the trouble, to `focus on these issues`, because it provides concrete proof, that the first group of responders to attend the domestic incident unfolding at the farmhouse was 'not' the true occupants of police vehicle 'CA07' (in the format of 'Bews', 'Saxby' and 'Pc Myall'), but that 'Pc Myall' arrived at the scene [3.39am] some 9 minutes before 'Bews' and 'Saxby' could possibly arrive there on the same occasion [3.39am], because it is well documented that the true occupants of police vehicle 'CA07' did not arrive at the scene until 3.48hrs that same morning'..
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Re: Sheilas Two Shots
« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2022, 09:43:PM »
There is no simple,rational,logical way,that Jeremy Bamber could have shot Sheila Caffell.

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« Reply #206 on: March 14, 2022, 09:49:PM »

What careful analysis of these facts help to establish, is that' Pc Myall' left 'Witham police station to attend the scene at around about 9.31am, whilst the occupants [`Bews' and 'Saxby'] which arrived at the scene until 3.48am, did not leave 'Witham police station' to go to the scene until 3.35hrs [some 4 minutes later than 'Pc Myall'. I have taken the trouble, to focus on these issues, because it provides concrete proof, that the first group of responders to attend the domestic incident unfolding at the farmhouse was 'not' the true occupants of police vehicle 'CA07' (in the format of 'Bews', 'Saxby' and 'Pc Myall'), but that 'Pc Myall' arrived at the scene [3.39am] some 9 minutes before 'Bews' and 'Saxby' could possibly arrive there on the same occasion [3.39am], because it is well documented that the true occupants of police vehicle 'CA07' did not arrive at the scene until 3.48hrs that same morning'..


If 'Pc Myall' arrived at the scene in police vehicle 'CA07' at 3.48hrs, along with 'PS Bews' and 'PS Saxby', then it beggars belief, that 'Pc Myall' could have seen an unidentified male, walking away from the grounds of the farm house at 3.45hrs?
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Re: Sheilas Two Shots
« Reply #207 on: March 14, 2022, 10:01:PM »

If 'Pc Myall' arrived at the scene in police vehicle 'CA07' at 3.48hrs, along with 'PS Bews' and 'PS Saxby', then it beggars belief, that 'Pc Myall' could have 'seen an unidentified male', 'walking away from the grounds of the farm house' at 3.45hrs?

It should also be noted, that around the time [3.31am] that 'PC Myall' was leaving 'Witham police station`, to attend the incident at the farmhouse, that' JeremyBamber' was speaking to 'Julie Mugford' from around '3.30am' onwards, where 'he' was telling 'Julie' that 'there was something wrong at the farm'!
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Re: Sheilas Two Shots
« Reply #208 on: March 14, 2022, 10:53:PM »
There is no simple,rational,logical way,that Jeremy Bamber could have shot Sheila Caffell.

I totally agree Snow, when the toxicology reports showed Sheila was not sedated I became very interested in the case when watching the WHF series.

Am glad you can see through Adams BS!


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« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2022, 10:58:PM »
It should also be noted, that around the time [3.31am] that 'PC Myall' was leaving 'Witham police station`, to attend the incident at the farmhouse, that' JeremyBamber' was speaking to 'Julie Mugford' from around '3.30am' onwards, where 'he' was telling 'Julie' that 'there was something wrong at the farm'!

'Jeremy' called 'Julie', as a result a brief telephone call that he had received from his father at around 3.23 - 3.25am. During that call, his father quickly told 'Jeremy' to 'come quickly,' your sister has gone berserk', 'she has got the gun' [ 'then that the connection  was' cut off' unexpectedly']. 'Jeremy' attempted to reconnect [3.26am]and speak to his father, but when he managed to get through, all he got was an engaged tone...

So, he tried to phone the police at 'Witham police station' but the police were operating an answer phone  which was trying to divert the call to the control room at Chelmsford police headquarters. He was frustrated that the local police were not answering his call to them so he hung up!

That was when he telephoned his then girlfriend  (at around 3.30am)  'Julie Mugford' , and told her, 'There's something wrong at the farm'.

Ater speaking briefly to 'Julie Mugford' he then contacted the police at Chelmsford, a telephone call timed as starting at 3.36hrs, and lasting until about 9 minutes later [3.45hrs], at which stage, 'Pc West' told 'Jeremy' to go to the scene, where he will be met by police officers who were already deployed to the incident. 'Pc West' told 'Jeremy' that 'under no circumstances should he make an approach to enter the farmhouse, if he got to the scene before the police themselves arrived there!

It took' Jeremy' 7 minutes 'to get from his cottage' at '9 Head Street', Goldhanger' before 'he arrived at the scene' in 'Pages Lane' [3.45hrs - 3.52hrs].I find it remarkable that from the moment that 'Jeremy Bamber' contacted 'Pc West' in the control room at Chelmsford police headquarters [3.36am and was kept on the line about 9 minutes [until 3.45hrs]and that this 9 minute period, matched the difference more or less, between an initial phone call made by his father to police at 3.26am, and the fact that 'Pc Bews' and 'PS Saxby' left `Witham police station` to go to the incident, departing at 3.35hrs, and arriving at the scene by 3.48hrs [9 minute event]. Rather more disturbingly, that 'Pc Myall' arrived at the scene [3.39hrs] the equivalent 9 minute period, between the time of his arrival at the scene [3.39hrs] and the corresponding time of 3.48hrs that police vehicle 'CA07' arrived there (again the 9 minute event versus event comparison, and that this series of 9 minute calibration involving all possible scenarios, should be cropping up, its no accident, or mistake - there were 2 telephone calls made to the police, one by 'Neville Bamber at 3.26am, and the 2nd call to police (in the grand scheme of things) was made by' Jeremy himself at 3.36am, and that the occupants of police vehicle 'CA07' set off from 'Witham
police station 9 minutes after the first 3.26am call made by' Neville Bamber' to the police, and that 'the 2nd call' made to the police by 'Jeremy' was about 9 minutes or so, after the first call [3.26am] made to police by 'Neville' was terminated (at about 3.27hrs)..

These anomalies [ the 9 minute factors] are almost certainly linked and connected to the police deliberately setting out to try and merge the two differently timed calls to the police
[3.26am and 3.36am] as 'one call' [`ONLY']...

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