Was Sheila shot first?

[guest29835]

Too complicated. 

Doesn't seem to fit the pathological evidence of very limited movement between the two shots. 

Did he also move the casing?  What did he do with the bedding?

Mrs Bamber received 6 gunshot wounds in the first round (2 gunshot wounds in the second round) and Mr Bamber 4 gunshot wounds in the first round all of which were upstairs.  Bamber had a pocket full of ammunition and was totally familiar with the rifle so reloading would take seconds.

The ten shots fired in the first round upstairs aligns with how Bamber said he left the rifle/magazine ie to capacity (10) but removed the cartridge from the breech.

Good points, but to be fair, I'm not sure the pathological evidence could rule out that there was a lengthy delay between the two shots.  I think the focus was more on the question of whether Sheila herself was moving around between the shots, if you see what I mean.

[Adam]

He would shoot Sheila once in her bedroom. Assuming this shot in that location would kill her.

While later moving her, he saw she was still breathing. So shot her again.

By then he had already had to shoot June & Nevill 15 times. So believed no one would make a big thing about a second shot by Sheila.

[Adam]

Who said there was 'very limited movement' between shots?

The shots are close together. That just means Bamber had chosen his location beforehand.

[killingeve]

Good points, but to be fair, I'm not sure the pathological evidence could rule out that there was a lengthy delay between the two shots.  I think the focus was more on the question of whether Sheila herself was moving around between the shots, if you see what I mean.

That's what I was referring to when I said "limited movement".  The pathologist for the defence but the time interval between the two shots at a maximum of a few minutes. 

[killingeve]

Who said there was 'very limited movement' between shots?

The shots are close together. That just means Bamber had chosen his location beforehand.

Very limited movement in terms of Sheila moving voluntarily or involuntary ie your reference to her being carried between the two shots. 

[lookout]

Where does it say all this Adam ?

[Adam]

Where does it say all this Adam ?

All what.

Shooting Sheila once/twice first, then Nevill & June 9 times, matches a 10/11 bullet opening salvo.

The aim would be to kill the 3 adults before re loading.

[lookout]

All what.

Shooting Sheila once/twice first, then Nevill & June 9 times, matches a 10/11 bullet opening salvo.

The aim would be to kill the 3 adults before re loading.

Your " matter of fact posts ", where's the documentation to match them ?

[Adam]

Your " matter of fact posts ", where's the documentation to match them ?

Well the evidence is the rifle holds 11 bullets. Bamber would go upstairs fully loaded. Or had 10 bullets & didn't put one in the breach. 

So either shot the twins once each & then 9 bullets into June & Nevill - 11 bullets.

Or shot Sheila once/twice in her bed. Then 9 bullets into June & Nevill - 10/11 bullets.

It was hopeing the opening salvo would either kill 3 adults. Or 2 adults & 2 children.

[Adam]

Bamber would know where there were spare bed sheets inside WHF. So it would be a case of replacing the bed sheets & moving the cartridge/s. Which would take 5 minutes.

Lifting a lifeless Sheila a few feet would not be hard.

Disposing the bloodied bed sheets - aga, washing machine, dumped in a river.

[Adam]

Of course, Sheila may have been shot twice, last. Where she was found.

Bamber would have known if she was a lamb to the slaughter at his supper reconnaissance.

Lots of possibilities fitting the crime scene evidence.

[Adam]

One option would have been to kill Sheila in her bed & leave her there.

It could simply be said Sheila went back to her bed to shoot herself after killing everyone else.

The evidence Sheila was ever out of bed - Nevill's call to Bamber.

This did not happen. Bamber wanted more convincing evidence Sheila had been out of bed.

[David1819]

There is no blood in Sheila's room plus the both pathologists stated she was sitting upwards when both shots were fired.

So the answer is no.

[Adam]

There is no blood in Sheila's room plus the both pathologists stated she was sitting upwards when both shots were fired.

So the answer is no.

As said, the bed sheets would be replaced.

She could have been sitting upright in bed.

[guest7363]

There is no blood in Sheila's room plus the both pathologists stated she was sitting upwards when both shots were fired.

So the answer is no.

I agree, wasn’t it also said that both shots happened more or less not long after each one was fired?