Was Sheila shot first?

[Adam]

David and his bouncing bullets. Next he will be saying he has found a forensic evidence breakthrough.

[Adam]

Anyway Bamber had choices regarding Sheila. Shoot first or last.

He may have only made his final decision after his supper reconnaissance.

[Adam]

Julie's WS says Bamber told her the twins were shot first and Sheila last.

[David1819]

Bullets are known to bounce AKA ricochet. But I don't think that applies to this case.

[Roch]

Julie's WS says Bamber told her the twins were shot first and Sheila last.

That wasn't very clever of Jeremy was it? Giving away specific details of multiple murders including his own nephews. He didn't quite have get this inheritance plan watertight did he?

It AMAZES me that people actually buy this bullshit.

[guest29835]

That wasn't very clever of Jeremy was it? Giving away specific details of multiple murders including his own nephews. He didn't quite have get this inheritance plan watertight did he?

It AMAZES me that people actually buy this bullshit.

He tells her all this then breaks up with her.

One point that occurs to me is that in her first statement, Julie is very precise about when the relationship with Jeremy began: 26th. December 1983.  I think she may have had a diary.  The so-called diary that was produced and is viewable in the archives here is clearly not actually Julie's.  Somewhere I think there was an authentic diurnal account of her relationship with Jeremy, between November 1983 and September 1985, that may have been destroyed by Julie or has been retained and secreted away somewhere.

[killingeve]

He tells her all this then breaks up with her.

One point that occurs to me is that in her first statement, Julie is very precise about when the relationship with Jeremy began: 26th. December 1983.  I think she may have had a diary.  The so-called diary that was produced and is viewable in the archives here is clearly not actually Julie's.  Somewhere I think there was an authentic diurnal account of her relationship with Jeremy, between November 1983 and September 1985, that may have been destroyed by Julie or has been retained and secreted away somewhere.

Boxing day so not difficult to remember? 

[Roch]

It is possible Sheila was shot first. While sleeping.

No Sheila died last.

She has small nicks and grazes on her photographed hand, as well as what appear to be fingernail gouges and scrapes. In addition, on the same hand along the span of her trigger-finger is another nick. She has a bruise on her throat probably caused by her neck chain being yanked from behind (the bruise roughly corresponds with either the ring of the necklace pendant or the pendant itself). She has a pendant earring snagged on the upper part of her nightdress, not too far from the bloodied armpit area. Her earlobes are swollen. On her wrist are dug-in nail marks which have bled, so that the blood tapers away from the marks to the underside of her wrist, where they merge and become thinner. At the upper end of the same arm, there are thin cuts which have no source or connection to any other stream of blood on her person. There may be a bruise upon her forehead underneath her hairline.

In my opinion, it is unlikely that bed linen caused these injuries. It is also unlikely that she was led to her death zombie-like and without resistance, by any killer.

[Rob_]

No Sheila died last.

She has small nicks and grazes on her photographed hand, as well as what appear to be fingernail gouges and scrapes. In addition, on the same hand along the span of her trigger-finger is another nick. She has a bruise on her throat probably caused by her neck chain being yanked from behind (the bruise roughly corresponds with either the ring of the necklace pendant or the pendant itself). She has a pendant earring snagged on the upper part of her nightdress, not too far from the bloodied armpit area. Her earlobes are swollen. On her wrist are dug-in nail marks which have bled, so that the blood tapers away from the marks to the underside of her wrist, where they merge and become thinner. At the upper end of the same arm, there are thin cuts which have no source or connection to any other stream of blood on her person. There may be a bruise upon her forehead underneath her hairline.

In my opinion, it is unlikely that bed linen caused these injuries. It is also unlikely that she was led to her death zombie-like and without resistance, by any killer.

I agree Roch Sheila died last, and quite a bit latter I believe?

[Roch]

I agree Roch Sheila died last, and quite a bit latter I believe?

Personally, I would imagine so. I understand that Bubo has also suggested a later death for June than the official version. I agree with Italian professors regarding Sheila. Her death is consistent with the time of the TFG op.

[Adam]

Personally, I would imagine so. I understand that Bubo has also suggested a later death for June than the official version. I agree with Italian professors regarding Sheila. Her death is consistent with the time of the TFG op.

Look forward to your Sheila scenario Roch.

[Rob_]

Personally, I would imagine so. I understand that Bubo has also suggested a later death for June than the official version. I agree with Italian professors regarding Sheila. Her death is consistent with the time of the TFG op.

There was one statement that said "leaking" when describing Sheila's wound? maybe badly worded but it caught by interest.

[Roch]

Look forward to your Sheila scenario Roch.

What people don't realise, is that the only credible scenario is one which includes explanations for the following:

Sheila's non gunshot wounds and her gunshot wounds.
Nevill's non gunshot wounds and his gunshot wounds.
June's non gunshot wounds and her gunshot wounds.
Jeremy's complete lack of both sets of wounds.

I question whether there were more than just one incident that night. Was an earlier non lethal incident contained by Nevill and June?

[Bubo bubo]

Why did PV refer to the scene as being staged?

Further he said that for JB to have killed and staged Sheila in the manner displayed she would have to have been drugged. I believe I am right in saying that no drugs outside her normal medication were found.

[lookout]

No Sheila died last.

She has small nicks and grazes on her photographed hand, as well as what appear to be fingernail gouges and scrapes. In addition, on the same hand along the span of her trigger-finger is another nick. She has a bruise on her throat probably caused by her neck chain being yanked from behind (the bruise roughly corresponds with either the ring of the necklace pendant or the pendant itself). She has a pendant earring snagged on the upper part of her nightdress, not too far from the bloodied armpit area. Her earlobes are swollen. On her wrist are dug-in nail marks which have bled, so that the blood tapers away from the marks to the underside of her wrist, where they merge and become thinner. At the upper end of the same arm, there are thin cuts which have no source or connection to any other stream of blood on her person. There may be a bruise upon her forehead underneath her hairline.

In my opinion, it is unlikely that bed linen caused these injuries. It is also unlikely that she was led to her death zombie-like and without resistance, by any killer.

If I remember rightly, one of her earrings had been yanked off as it was found somewhere in the bedroom. This would account for the swollen earlobe. It would have appeared that she'd been grabbed around the head.