Was Sheila shot first?

[Adam]

It is possible Sheila was shot first. While sleeping.

Bamber moving her later on,  changing the bed clothes & disposing of the bloodied ones. 

This would mean he only went upstairs with 10 bullets. As only 9 bullets were fired in the main bedroom. I don't believe he would intially shoot Sheila twice.

[lookout]

No, Nevill would have been killed first, and judging by his position after death, he'd been dead the longest.

[guest29835]

It is possible Sheila was shot first. While sleeping.

Bamber moving her later on,  changing the bed clothes & disposing of the bloodied ones. 

This would mean he only went upstairs with 10 bullets. As only 9 bullets were fired in the main bedroom. I don't believe he would intially shoot Sheila twice.

I came up with this idea last year. There are problems with it, but I agree this is how he would do it if he planned it out properly.

[lookout]

RM was more prominent in Nevill.

[Adam]

Believe Bamber would be confident in either routine.

Whether going upstairs with 11 bullets & shooting the twins once each. Or going upstairs with 10 bullets & shooting Sheila once.

[Adam]

Once the three adults were negated. He could re load downstairs & shoot the sleeping twins.

Of course getting an alive Sheila to move a few yards was also very possible.

[lookout]

Once the three adults were negated. He could re load downstairs & shoot the sleeping twins.

Of course getting an alive Sheila to move a few yards was also very possible.

Yes, he led her to the bedroom and told her to lie down " while I shoot you too " 

[Adam]

Yes, he led her to the bedroom and told her to lie down " while I shoot you too " 

Sheila was a lamb to the slaughter. Sadly.

Bamber knew this from his supper reconnaissance.

[Rob_]

Sheila was a lamb to the slaughter. Sadly.

Bamber knew this from his supper reconnaissance.

So how did he get the shot Adam this is a puzzle to me? we know she was not sedated?

She would have seen June by the door and panic would have set in, her children next or already shot.

[Adam]

So how did he get the shot Adam this is a puzzle to me? we know she was not sedated?

She would have seen June by the door and panic would have set in, her children next or already shot.

'Get Shot'? Bamber pulled the trigger.

She was 'under sedation' according to the COA.

No guarantee she would see June. It was dark, she was half asleep & 'under sedation'.

And as the thread says - 'Was Sheila shot first'.

[lookout]

" A lamb to the slaughter " is not how I'd have described Sheila in a psychotic state----her victims were.

[killingeve]

It is possible Sheila was shot first. While sleeping.

Bamber moving her later on,  changing the bed clothes & disposing of the bloodied ones. 

This would mean he only went upstairs with 10 bullets. As only 9 bullets were fired in the main bedroom. I don't believe he would intially shoot Sheila twice.

Too complicated. 

Doesn't seem to fit the pathological evidence of very limited movement between the two shots. 

Did he also move the casing?  What did he do with the bedding?

Mrs Bamber received 6 gunshot wounds in the first round (2 gunshot wounds in the second round) and Mr Bamber 4 gunshot wounds in the first round all of which were upstairs.  Bamber had a pocket full of ammunition and was totally familiar with the rifle so reloading would take seconds.

The ten shots fired in the first round upstairs aligns with how Bamber said he left the rifle/magazine ie to capacity (10) but removed the cartridge from the breech. 

[Adam]

Too complicated. 

Doesn't seem to fit the pathological evidence of very limited movement between the two shots. 

Did he also move the casing?  What did he do with the bedding?

Mrs Bamber received 6 gunshot wounds in the first round (2 gunshot wounds in the second round) and Mr Bamber 4 gunshot wounds in the first round all of which were upstairs.  Bamber had a pocket full of ammunition and was totally familiar with the rifle so reloading would take seconds.

The ten shots fired in the first round upstairs aligns with how Bamber said he left the rifle/magazine ie to capacity (10) but removed the cartridge from the breech.

That is a good point about the casings. He may have moved the  one/two casing/s in Sheila's bedroom.

June was shot 5 & 2 times. So enough amo to shoot June/Nevill 9 times upstairs after shooting Sheila once/twice.

[Adam]

That is a good point about the casings. He may have moved the  one/two casing in Sheila's bedroom.

June was shot 5 & 2 times. So enough amo to shoot June/Nevill 9 times upstairs after shooting Sheila once/twice.

Or rather he would 'have to move the shell casing/s' if he shot Sheila in her bedroom.

[Adam]

He would shoot Sheila once in her bedroom. Assuming this shot in that location would kill her.

While later moving her, he saw she was still breathing. So shot her again.