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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on October 31, 2014, 07:02:PM
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When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT” in excrement on the walls.
This shows Jeremy's persuasiveness. Managing to convince five other in mates to join him. Anyway I digress. Why did he do this ?
Obviously he was upset at not winning his claim. But there would have been other reasons.
The early 90's was probably a low point in the 'Campaign for Freedom'.
It was no secret that Jeremy enjoyed the attention at trial. During the trial there was always the possibility of getting a 'not guilty' verdict. Resulting in him becoming a rich, famous and 'innocent' man. However a guilty verdict put him inside. A quick appeal came to nothing and the next appeal was years away. There was no internet and the media & public moved onto the next big story. Jeremy was going nowhere fast.
So his protest was frustration that his 'watertight' plan had not only got him convicted and kept him inside, but he couldn't even give the police a body blow.
Of course the 'Campaign for Freedom' became more effective after 2002 for various reasons.
The other reason for the 'Dirty Protest' was precisely because no one was taking much interest in the case. So his tantrum would not be an issue of discussion years later and may have even been kept inside the prison walls. Which would be useful if the 'Campaign for Freedom' became more effective.
Is the real Jeremy Bamber the man who was a 'mummy's boy' Or someone who gets angry when he doesn't get what he wants ?
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When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT” in excrement on the walls.
This shows Jeremy's persuasiveness. Managing to convince five other in mates to join him. Anyway I digress. Why did he do this ?
Obviously he was upset at not winning his claim. But there would have been other reasons.
The early 90's was probably a low point in the 'Campaign for Freedom'.
It was no secret that Jeremy enjoyed the attention at trial. During the trial there was always the possibility of getting a 'not guilty' verdict. Resulting in him becoming a rich, famous and 'innocent' man. However a guilty verdict put him inside. A quick appeal came to nothing and the next appeal was years away. There was no internet and the media & public moved onto the next big story. Jeremy was going nowhere fast.
So his protest was frustration that his 'watertight' plan had not only got him convicted and kept him inside, but he couldn't even give the police a body blow.
Of course the 'Campaign for Freedom' became more effective after 2002 for various reasons.
The other reason for the 'Dirty Protest' was precisely because no one was taking much interest in the case. So his tantrum would not be an issue of discussion years later and may have even been kept inside the prison walls. Which would be useful if the 'Campaign for Freedom' became more effective.
Is the real Jeremy Bamber the man who was a 'mummy's boy' Or someone who gets angry when he doesn't get what he wants ?
If you want people who post in a thread to keep to the point then do not digress in the original post.
This is not Jeremy's "persuasiveness" as you put it. But other prisoners have a way of knowing if someone is guilty or not. Remember they are in each other's company for months maybe years on end. Prison is very difficult place to keep up appearances. Prisoners soon find out the truth about fellow prisoners.
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If you want people who post in a thread to keep to the point then do not digress in the original post.
This is not Jeremy's "persuasiveness" as you put it. But other prisoners have a way of knowing if someone is guilty or not. Remember they are in each other's company for months maybe years on end. Prison is very difficult place to keep up appearances. Prisoners soon find out the truth about fellow prisoners.
Well the five other prisoners that Jeremy persuaded to also wreak their cells & write 'FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT' in excrement, probably had a grudge against the authorities. After all they were in prison.
Not sure how Jeremy could prove his innocence to them from inside. Mind you Mike said he spent a few hours sharing a cell with him in the early 90's. He has been campaigning ever since.
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If you want people who post in a thread to keep to the point then do not digress in the original post.
This is not Jeremy's "persuasiveness" as you put it. But other prisoners have a way of knowing if someone is guilty or not. Remember they are in each other's company for months maybe years on end. Prison is very difficult place to keep up appearances. Prisoners soon find out the truth about fellow prisoners.
Why do you think Jeremy wreaked his cell and wrote 'FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT' in excrement after his complaint was not upheld ?
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Why do you think Jeremy wreaked his cell and wrote 'FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT' in excrement after his complaint was not upheld ?
Because he was pissed that his complaint was not upheld - kind of obvious Adam.
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I am not surprised a teenage Julie 'fell under his spell'. Women much older and wiser than Julie had fallen for him.
Mike has been campaigning for Jeremy for twenty years after spending just a few hours with him.
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Perhaps the OS can dedicate a chapter on this issue.
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Seems a bit pointless wreaking you're own cell. You are the one that has to live there and probably have to clear up afterwards. Or live in a wreaked cell.
Seems Jeremy has a temper.
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Why do you think Jeremy wreaked his cell and wrote 'FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT' in excrement after his complaint was not upheld ?
I should think if you had spent 20 odd years in gaol you'd be a bit pissied off as well. Oh how easy it is to judge others when they are in a terrible situation ain't it Adam. I suggest you look to the faults in your own life before judging others in their. You're always slinging shit at him. I only wish he could throw some back at you.
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I am not surprised a teenage Julie 'fell under his spell'. Women much older and wiser than Julie had fallen for him.
Mike has been campaigning for Jeremy for twenty years after spending just a few hours with him.
Don't talk wet. She was as worldly wise as the other girlfriends Jeremy had. Only they couldn't see anything bad to say about him. Guess who I'd believe over her?
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Seems a bit pointless wreaking you're own cell. You are the one that has to live there and probably have to clear up afterwards. Or live in a wreaked cell.
Seems Jeremy has a temper.
Adam I do often wonder about your naive thoughts?
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I should think if you had spent 20 odd years in gaol you'd be a bit pissied off as well. Oh how easy it is to judge others when they are in a terrible situation ain't it Adam. I suggest you look to the faults in your own life before judging others in their. You're always slinging shit at him. I only wish he could throw some back at you.
He had been in jail seven years. Not twenty.
He has not got time to respond to my posts. His campaign needs to focus on him, Julie, the police and relatives. Oh and evidence showing his innocence. Unfortunately he said this week he has none, which is a slight problem.
Faults, who me ?
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He had been in jail seven years. Not twenty.
He has not got time to respond to my posts. His campaign needs to focus on him, Julie, the police and relatives. Oh and evidence showing his innocence. Unfortunately he said this week he has none, which is a slight problem.
Faults, who me ?
What do you mean he hasn't got time to respond to your posts?
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Don't talk wet. She was as worldly wise as the other girlfriends Jeremy had. Only they couldn't see anything bad to say about him. Guess who I'd believe over her?
Not sure how Worldly wise you can be as a teenage student living in shared digs. Then again she did meet Jeremy at the exotic Sloppy Joe's.
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Not sure how Worldly wise you can be as a teenage student living in shared digs. Then again she did meet Jeremy at the exotic Sloppy Joe's.
So why haven't his other girlfriends said anything bad about him?
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So why haven't his other girlfriends said anything bad about him?
No idea.
He was with Julie for a long time in the build up to the massacre. This was around the same time that Neville & June stopped financing Jeremy for extensive jaunts abroad. While at the same time starting to pay for Sheila, the twins & medical bills. Jeremy reluctantly starting work at WHF.
Anyway, what's you're view of Jeremy's disgusting and immature protest ?
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No idea.
He was with Julie for a long time in the build up to the massacre. This was around the same time that Neville & June stopped financing Jeremy for extensive jaunts abroad. While at the same time starting to pay for Sheila, the twins & medical bills. Jeremy reluctantly starting work at WHF.
Anyway, what's you're view of Jeremy's disgusting and immature protest ?
Personally I wouldn't do such a thing.
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Personally I wouldn't do such a thing.
Me neither. It degrades him to the level of the other category A prisoners. And future 50 odd 'life means life' prisoners. All of whom had admitted their guilt. Except Jeremy.
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Me neither. It degrades him to the level of the other category A prisoners. And future 50 odd 'life means life' prisoners. All of whom had admitted their guilt. Except Jeremy.
That by itself must tell you something.
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That by itself must tell you something.
I doubt it some how ::)
I am coming to the conclusion that Adam has more of a personal agenda than he himself is ever going to "confess" to.
I think he should come clean , because then it would be much easier to appreciate his posts.
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If you want people who post in a thread to keep to the point then do not digress in the original post.
This is not Jeremy's "persuasiveness" as you put it. But other prisoners have a way of knowing if someone is guilty or not. Remember they are in each other's company for months maybe years on end. Prison is very difficult place to keep up appearances. Prisoners soon find out the truth about fellow prisoners.
They all protest their innocence thats why? Oi, journo, come 'ere. I'm innocent, you should publicise my case."
Within seconds I'm surrounded by murderers, rapists and bank robbers - all making similar claims.
"Everyone's innocent in here," laughs my prison escort. I'm at HMP Full Sutton - a maximum security prison in the countryside a few miles from York. The Mirror has been given unprecedented access to the Category A jail, home to some of Britain's most notorious criminals.
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Is it correct that no "rehabilitation" is offered if you do not admit guilt.
So for some it would be better to admit guilt anyway because at least with some prisoners there would be a chance of getting out. whereas if you continue to protest innocence than there is little/no chance of parole at all ?
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Is it correct that no "rehabilitation" is offered if you do not admit guilt.
So for some it would be better to admit guilt anyway because at least with some prisoners there would be a chance of getting out. whereas if you continue to protest innocence than there is little/no chance of parole at all ?
I get what your saying Jan, but his only chance is to protest his innocence he is not coming out even if he admits it? I note you said some prisoners.
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Hunger strikes and "dirty protests" are pretty much all prisoners have in their power, since they are locked up and have limited access to money.
It is not uncommon, so even if it is gross to think about, it doesn´t really say anything about Jeremy other that he must have felt desparate at that point.
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They all protest their innocence thats why? Oi, journo, come 'ere. I'm innocent, you should publicise my case."
Within seconds I'm surrounded by murderers, rapists and bank robbers - all making similar claims.
"Everyone's innocent in here," laughs my prison escort. I'm at HMP Full Sutton - a maximum security prison in the countryside a few miles from York. The Mirror has been given unprecedented access to the Category A jail, home to some of Britain's most notorious criminals.
Well apparently according to Adam all the other lifers have confessed to their crimes. I was just expressing the fact that Bamber is the only one who hasn't?
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So Justice if you are a journalist and you don't believe anything the prisoners say, what are you at Full Sutton for?
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I get what your saying Jan, but his only chance is to protest his innocence he is not coming out even if he admits it? I note you said some prisoners.
No I think in his case there is no incentive to admit his guilt ( if he is guilty) because it will not make any difference to him . It would not mean he is released .
If he was guilty and admitted it , it would only mean he could stop the 30 year fight and constant battle with the authorities.
I think to be honest what ever the truth, he honestly does believe he is innocent and I think there are very few medical conditions that would explain that .
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So Justice if you are a journalist and you don't believe anything the prisoners say, what are you at Full Sutton for?
I have acquaintances who worked at Full Sutton York Mr Gee. When i say worked i don't mean as prison guards? But for now i will have to leave it at that?
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I have acquaintances who worked at Full Sutton York Mr Gee. When i say worked i don't mean as prison guards? But for now i will have to leave it at that?
That's fair enough . But do you have any interesting insights as to how JB is regarded by others ?
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That's fair enough . But do you have any interesting insights as to how JB is regarded by others ?
His badminton teacher says his backhand is improving.
He spends a lot of time in the computer room. Managing the OS or blogging that 'he's innocent but has no evidence to prove it'. Or with his two legal teams. Or responding to letters in CAPITALS. Or telling everyone he was a 'mummies boy' and that lots of people framed him. Or writing to politicians and journalists. In CAPITALS.
But no more dirty protests. It might put Jeremy in a bad light.
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His badminton teacher says his backhand is improving.
He spends a lot of time in the computer room. Managing the OS or blogging that 'he's innocent but has no evidence to prove it'. Or with his two legal teams. Or responding to letters in CAPITALS. Or telling everyone he was a 'mummies boy' and that lots of people framed him. Or writing to politicians and journalists. In CAPITALS.
But no more dirty protests. It might put Jeremy in a bad light.
Adam at times you do post good comments but there is a line to cross, so stay on side of the line? Just a bit of advice.
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Adam you should get out more-----------------or can't you ??
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His badminton teacher says his backhand is improving.
He spends a lot of time in the computer room. Managing the OS or blogging that 'he's innocent but has no evidence to prove it'. Or with his two legal teams. Or responding to letters in CAPITALS. Or telling everyone he was a 'mummies boy' and that lots of people framed him. Or writing to politicians and journalists. In CAPITALS.
But no more dirty protests. It might put Jeremy in a bad light.
Bamber has no access to the internet in Full Sutton.
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His badminton teacher says his backhand is improving.
He spends a lot of time in the computer room. Managing the OS or blogging that 'he's innocent but has no evidence to prove it'. Or with his two legal teams. Or responding to letters in CAPITALS. Or telling everyone he was a 'mummies boy' and that lots of people framed him. Or writing to politicians and journalists. In CAPITALS.
But no more dirty protests. It might put Jeremy in a bad light.
1) the question was not to you it was to Justice
2) What is wrong with him writing in capitals? It is the content of letters that is important
3) how much do you actually know about his life inside?
4) I think it would be interesting to have an insight on his life
5) Why are you so uptight about it all , this is only a discussion forum after all?
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there can be no more of a "bad light" than being in jail for life for 5 murders - I don't think the "dirty protest" blackened his name any more.
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His badminton teacher says his backhand is improving.
He spends a lot of time in the computer room. Managing the OS or blogging that 'he's innocent but has no evidence to prove it'. Or with his two legal teams. Or responding to letters in CAPITALS. Or telling everyone he was a 'mummies boy' and that lots of people framed him. Or writing to politicians and journalists. In CAPITALS.
But no more dirty protests. It might put Jeremy in a bad light.
Unbelievable that people make Jeremy seem to be a sinister character because of his handwriting! I have seen it a lot.
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Unbelievable that people make Jeremy seem to be a sinister character because of his handwriting! I have seen it a lot.
I'm going to say something now that will attract some comments.
My late husband,who was a clever man,also used to write in this way and his " excuse " for doing so was " in case nobody understood joined-up writing ".He was being very serious and used it as a put-down to those whose intellect was called into question.
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Was this a moment when a psychopaths mask slipped ?
Being affable to Andrew Hunter and other supporters. But behind closed doors...
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Was this a moment when a psychopaths mask slipped ?
Being affable to Andrew Hunter and other supporters. But behind closed doors...
So are you saying now the reason he committed the crime was because he was a psychopath - not because of the greed for money ? Have you changed your mind because of the opinion of someone who has never met him?
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So are you saying now the reason he committed the crime was because he was a psychopath - not because of the greed for money ? Have you changed your mind because of the opinion of someone who has never met him?
That is a good question. Thank you Jan.
Well he was an inheritance killer. So killed for the money. But there were also lots of other reasons. I will find my thread for you.
However he may also be a psychopath.
So a 'mountain' of reasons.
We
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Don't bother your self about finding threads - I have no desire to read your conclusions - I am capable of reaching my own thank you.
So until recently you did not think there was any other reason than the money?
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Don't bother your self about finding threads - I have no desire to read your conclusions - I am capable of reaching my own thank you.
So until recently you did not think there was any other reason than the money?
Oh no. My 'Apart from £436,000' thread suggested otherwise. But money and status being the main reasons.
But the attractive lady and the not so attractive Bob Woffinden have added that he may be a psychopath.
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He's what is known as " going with the flow ". :)
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Oh no. My 'Apart from £436,000' thread suggested otherwise. But money and status being the main reasons.
But the attractive lady and the not so attractive Bob Woffinden have added that he may be a psychopath.
Oh so the source of your new belief is someone who has never met him appears not to be qualified and is not Bob the one who changed his mind because of the musical phones?
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BW now seems to think that this is a MOJ. According to his write up last December when he was sounding off about the CCRC.
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so did he think he was innocent then went guilty now back to innocent? Or was that not him?
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so did he think he was innocent then went guilty now back to innocent? Or was that not him?
Jan that is what I thought innocent guilty now a MOJ that is how it reads to me.
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BW had actually included JB when he wrote about Susan May and Eddie Gilfoyle,as being MOJ's.
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perhaps he thinks he is guilty but it is still an MOJ?
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It's a possibility,though I don't ever recall him mentioning the MOJ bit.
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BW has changed his mind and believes Bamber guilty, he's been very clear about that.
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Of course both Susan May's family and Eddie Gilfoyle are still waiting to clear their names. Eddie's sister had slammed the CCRC for dragging their feet over Eddie's submission which was in 2010.
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BW has changed his mind and believes Bamber guilty, he's been very clear about that.
yes that's what I thought . did not understand his article about why, because it did not add up with the evidence - but each to their own. every time you think someone has had a Eureka moment it turns out to be nothing than a niggle. :(
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When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT” in excrement on the walls.
This shows Jeremy's persuasiveness. Managing to convince five other in mates to join him. Anyway I digress. Why did he do this ?
Obviously he was upset at not winning his claim. But there would have been other reasons.
The early 90's was probably a low point in the 'Campaign for Freedom'.
It was no secret that Jeremy enjoyed the attention at trial. During the trial there was always the possibility of getting a 'not guilty' verdict. Resulting in him becoming a rich, famous and 'innocent' man. However a guilty verdict put him inside. A quick appeal came to nothing and the next appeal was years away. There was no internet and the media & public moved onto the next big story. Jeremy was going nowhere fast.
So his protest was frustration that his 'watertight' plan had not only got him convicted and kept him inside, but he couldn't even give the police a body blow.
Of course the 'Campaign for Freedom' became more effective after 2002 for various reasons.
The other reason for the 'Dirty Protest' was precisely because no one was taking much interest in the case. So his tantrum would not be an issue of discussion years later and may have even been kept inside the prison walls. Which would be useful if the 'Campaign for Freedom' became more effective.
Is the real Jeremy Bamber the man who was a 'mummy's boy' Or someone who gets angry when he doesn't get what he wants ?
It was his reaction to the COLP investigation it sais in carol ann lees book quoting Jeremy "I lost my marbles and covered myself in shit"
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When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT” in excrement on the walls
You have posted some crappy things but this takes the cake.
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You have posted some crappy things but this takes the cake.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hahaha Maggie we always say "this takes the biscuit" Scipio is more posh than us Northern gals ;D ;D ;D
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Hahaha Maggie we always say "this takes the biscuit" Scipio is more posh than us Northern gals ;D ;D ;D
Cant afford cake in Liverpool bron :'( :'(
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Cant affo ;Drd cake in Liverpool bron :'( :'( xxx
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-*
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Hahaha Maggie we always say "this takes the biscuit" Scipio is more posh than us Northern gals ;D ;D ;D
No, he just said it wrong! ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
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No, he just said it wrong! ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
People have this "thing" about cake. Marie Antoinette is erroneously said to have proclaimed "Let them eat cake" when what she actually said was "Let them eat caque" which puts it very neatly into this thread ;D ;D
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Cant afford cake in Liverpool bron :'( :'(
I've been in Liverpool all afternoon and bought two cakes. ;D ;D ;D ;D A fresh cream Victoria sponge and a lemon meringue-both from M&S,yummy.
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I've been in Liverpool all afternoon and bought two cakes. ;D ;D ;D ;D A fresh cream Victoria sponge and a lemon meringue-both from M&S,yummy.
OooHooo How posh are you!! ;D ;D
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OooHooo How posh are you!! ;D ;D
The place was packed as usual and there were lots of Japanese towing along lots of luggage so I can only assume that they were heading to the University. Lovely pleasant people,Maggie.
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People have this "thing" about cake. Marie Antoinette is erroneously said to have proclaimed "Let them eat cake" when what she actually said was "Let them eat caque" which puts it very neatly into this thread ;D ;D
No it was let them eat brioche. Many question whether she actually said it. he phrase was already in existence so she could have said it but may not have. Some other aristocrat supposedly said it well prior.
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The place was packed as usual and there were lots of Japanese towing along lots of luggage so I can only assume that they were heading to the University. Lovely pleasant people,Maggie.
I agree, Liverpudlians are lovely ;D
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I agree, Liverpudlians are lovely ;D
I meant the Japanese,but it's true about the Scousers.
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I meant the Japanese,but it's true about the Scousers.
I know you did but we are lovely too. ;D 8) 8)
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I know you did but we are lovely too. ;D 8) 8)
Of course we are Maggie. We're sound as a pound. ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Memory served me fairly well I think, I found the extract from my e-book. This is what he said
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I think he was allowed just one outburst for his wrongful incarceration.
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Memory served me fairly well I think, I found the extract from my e-book. This is what he said
Yuck.
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I find child trafficking worse than that !!