It isn´t "devilish", it is bat garb. Nothing devilish about a bat!
"Bat garb" lol, that made me chuckle :)
Lovely pics Michael.
Here's me thinking it was Michael Caine lol :D :D :D :D
Laughter is the best tonic it's better than s*x lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great photos. Who is the man in bat garb? ;D
Hi Alias, he is the sole member of "Comic book Cartoon, services":-
Nice! ;D
Jeremy should see this.
Fantastic.
Who's the other bloke? Bit young for (Z)?
Batman will be visiting Tolleshunt D'arcy and places of interest in the case, in the coming weeks, at places and times, of my choosing...
May I speak on behalf of Stevie Wonder? You're having a laff !,!!
Will you be taking your Batfiend up the belfry of the church next to your fav pub - The CHEQUERS at GOLD HANGER ?
Quite frankly some of the most disrespectful combination of images ever posted. I simply do not understand how anyone can find this playground humour amusing? Why anyone would want to encourage this is beyond me. A new low for your forum Tesko. If anyone from TV or media land or legal land were to see this, just imagine how seriously the great Tesko will be taken! So, well done Mike! Another example of the great help you've given bamber! Lol. Any point in me asking for the images of Sheila to be removed from this thread? I appreciate its not libel but how disrespectful does this twisted man have to stoop?
Other than the pictures of Sheila (which I feel are posted too often), I don't think the above is warranted Vic. You're always telling us that Mike isn't taken seriously anyway so you should welcome the thread. Actually, I thought it was a little light relief - I will remove the pictures of Sheila but the rest will remain. You won't like everything you see here, that's a given and we can't remove everything you don't like, if we did that for everyone, there would be nothing left.
It is the pictures of Sheila that I objected to, being compared to a grown man in a batman suit laying in the pose of a dead relative. So thank you. I do not object to the puerile, childish, nonsense, that is the rest of the thread and am sure that anyone not familiar with the forum would be delighted to see the thoughtful insight that Tesko puts into developing his theories....
It is the pictures of Sheila that I objected to, being compared to a grown man in a batman suit laying in the pose of a dead relative. So thank you. I do not object to the puerile, childish, nonsense, that is the rest of the thread and am sure that anyone not familiar with the forum would be delighted to see the thoughtful insight that Tesko puts into developing his theories....
Well, I loved your photo's Mike!
They do grab the attention!
Best wishes,
Summer ;)
Hello Summer, hope you're well. ;D ;D
Well, I loved your photo's Mike!
They do grab the attention!
Best wishes,
Summer ;)
Well, I loved your photo's Mike!
They do grab the attention!
Best wishes,
Summer ;)
Well, I loved your photo's Mike!
They do grab the attention!
Best wishes,
Summer ;)
The Bamber is guilty brigade, kept saying the guns barrel as shown in the above crime scene photogeaphs was not in different different pisitions on her body and neck. They keot saying that it had something to do with angles and perspective that the said photographs were taken - yet it took a comic book hero and a broomstick to rattle thier cages and expose the lies they have been spreading about the restaging of Sheila's body with the gun in different positions, as confirmed by the fundings in the 1988 Barrett and 1993 COLP Reports...
So...
Nobody touched anything, or moved anything, the gun wasn't in different positions on the body, or against the neck - police just restaged the crime scene...
On the contrary, your pictures prove the point I was making, the broomstick is clearly nowhere near his neck.
When I tried your broom experiment, I could not position the broom so that it was flush with my neck. Nevertheless, I absolutely do not agree / believe that differences in angle / perspective of photography can explain the differences in respect of the (horizontal) height of the rifle upon her body. Vertical re the neck issue - possibly yes. Horizontally - no.
In my view, the rifle has been moved inbetween photographs. In fact, it is clear as day. I admit that the angle can trick you, but the shadow from the tip of the rifle in the middle picture gives it away: there is a distance from the tip to Sheila´s body. On the bottom picture, you can see the tip is resting directly on her neck (and is further up on her towards the neck.)
That said - why do we need the humorous approach to this? It comes across as mocking of poor Sheila in her tragic death. I love, love the bat pictures, they are so funny, and you can tell you both had a lot of fun with it, but at least I don´t really like to see this paired with the graphic pictures of Sheila. Sorry Mike, it was so funny, and then, well. :(
Compare 3rd photograph in reply 42 in this thread, against the above image - the Bamber is guilty at all costs gang want us to believe that the position of the guns barrell is in exactly the same position in both crime scene photographs. They are trying to convince everyone that police did not restage the scene of Sheila before dodgy PC Bird took photographs. Yet, if you look closely enough and apply due diligence you can see straight away that the nightdress has been adjusted, and in particular the shape and size of the bloodstain in that part of the arm / nightdress, is completely different. Now, in order to adjust the nightdress resting beneath the rifle, the police had to first of all have to remove the rifle in question, adjust the nightdress, and replace the rifle back on the body with its barrell resting against her neck, whereas previously it had not been...
There came a time, when a group of some of the most experienced Essex detectives were all huddled over and around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, immediately after she had been shot under the chin...
Come on Vic! Lighten up!! ;) xx
Sick post!
Lighten up? This case is real Caroline, it isn't just something created for you and others to gossip about on the internet. The two children MURDERED in their bed? REAL PEOPLE.
Lighten up?! :o
Sick post!
Lighten up? This case is real Caroline, it isn't just something created for you and others to gossip about on the internet. The two children MURDERED in their bed? REAL PEOPLE.
Lighten up?! :o
Absolutely Matt. People forget this.
I don't think people forget at all - however, recently there is a sense of walking on egg shells for fear of causing offence.
I don't think people forget at all - however, recently there is a sense of walking on egg shells for fear of causing offence.
I'm a bit rusty on intervention of late. It's often been a role where you're being criticized for both removing and not removing posts. There's things that offend me on here. Being offended on this forum is not the sole preserve of members who veer towards guilt.
So true.
You know something, I NEVER hear you comment on the case,
Oh what a joke, I don't comment on the case, I've been here longer than your account Caroline - I've been through the whole case before. I comment when I have something to add or when people are posting rubbish or false facts, I don't post if it is something that has been done to death and is people repeating themselves.
Howdy, Mat!
I have been a member here for 3 years, hardly comment myself anymore. Its all been done, and again and again, ages ago.
Tell you what, weather was good today, at least that changes!!
Please stop bullying Caroline. It's all you do to me if I happen to post something which you object to--------------which is pretty well all the time.
You're nothing but a bully.Get a grip.! Caroline was right the first time.
Lighten up, Lookout. ::)
;D
I'm a bit rusty on intervention of late. It's often been a role where you're being criticized for both removing and not removing posts. There's things that offend me on here. Being offended on this forum is not the sole preserve of members who veer towards guilt.
Reinforcements.? How sad.!
Oh what a joke, I don't comment on the case, I've been here longer than your account Caroline - I've been through the whole case before. I comment when I have something to add or when people are posting rubbish or false facts, I don't post if it is something that has been done to death and is people repeating themselves.
Yeah, whatever. like mat said, lighten up!!
Bog off.
Hi Andrea!
I still read everything and I think I post quite often! (Not that it should really matter how many times I post!) but I don't get involved in the gossip on here and have no interest of sitting for hours posting post after post, page after page about nothing. It gets us no where.
I'm not bullying her. My problem was that I found her post sick. I don't think people should lighten up - vic was complaining that the victims were being disrespected and he was told to lighten up.
Are you saying you agree, people should lighten up about this case?
Hi Andrea!
I still read everything and I think I post quite often! (Not that it should really matter how many times I post!) but I don't get involved in the gossip on here and have no interest of sitting for hours posting post after post, page after page about nothing. It gets us no where.
I'm not bullying her. My problem was that I found her post sick. I don't think people should lighten up - vic was complaining that the victims were being disrespected and he was told to lighten up.
Are you saying you agree, people should lighten up about this case?
Yes, indeed are!! You especially seem to have something to add when you sniff out a little trouble!!
Mat, it's really strange and I feel sure that you're going to put me right but it seems the only time you post is have digs at other people. You say you have "no in terest in sitting hour after hour, posting post after post" but you must sit for hour after hour in order to be able to pounce on unsuspecting posters at moments appropriate to you.
Prime example of how you stir - I didn't mean that at all and well you know it!!
Mat, it's really strange and I feel sure that you're going to put me right but it seems the only time you post is have digs at other people. You say you have "no in terest in sitting hour after hour, posting post after post" but you must sit for hour after hour in order to be able to pounce on unsuspecting posters at moments appropriate to you.
If by trouble you mean speaking up when people post sick posts - then yeah I am guilty! And I have always spoken up when posts like that are made.
If you click on my profile, bring up the Show Posts I'm sure you'll find that's not quite true, April.
What were you telling Vic to lighten up at then? ::)
What for? Standing up against your posts? Caroline the difference between us is you spend all your time slagging down people that don't post on this forum. You attack people because of your interpretation on their statements.
Instead of slagging them down, when you know they don't post here and can't reply to what you post, it might be better to write to them.
What for? Standing up against your posts? Caroline the difference between us is you spend all your time slagging down people that don't post on this forum. You attack people because of your interpretation on their statements.
Instead of slagging them down, when you know they don't post here and can't reply to what you post, it might be better to write to them.
My interpretation on whose statement?
What am I stirring? Was your post not out of order? (You say you didn't mean it, but can't say what you did mean)....and don't you slag JM and AE down, as well as others - do they post here?
You're more than happy to pull me up, call me names - but when I don't agree with your posts, you try and paint me with a bad brush.
This case isn't something to be joked about.
Julie? Ann?
However, as far as the statements go, of course they are going to be questioned!! Isn't that the whole point of the forum? Actually, you had plenty to say when I was 'discussing' the panic button with Vic who stated HERE that he was told by Ann and Peter that they thought Neville must have been trying to reach it. Turns out I was right!! The panic button was installed POST murders. That's why we debate the statements and if either Ann or Julie wish to join the forum - they'd be welcome!!
I don't need to paint you with a bad brush - you do a good enough job on that yourself. Anyone reading the above will clearly see that you are taking what I said and arguing it for you own ends - you do it frequently with other people!! My comment of 'lighten up' was in reference to Vic's comments about Mike's Batman pictures and NOT about the case - but you already know that!!
For me personally the Mike and Batman pictures were fine. If that's how Mike wants to spread the word that he believes Bamber is innocent, that's fine - he can do whatever he likes. If he wants to write it on his body and streak through London - that's fine. (Please don't though Mike!)
I draw the line at Batman and the broom, I draw the line at "lighten up" - those two things were my problem with this topic.
I hope nothing ever happens like this to your family, and then your relatives are ripped apart on the internet. I think you'd view things differently.
You have no idea what has happened in my family and if you feel that strongly, why are you even here? Why are you sullying yourself with a membership to a forum you are quite evidently totally against?
I'm offended by what I see as the trivialising of corruptive practices among police in this case.
Yes I do know that!
Vic had a problem that the Batman pictures were disrespectful to the dead, that they are an insult. In which you said 'Lighten up'.......Why should he (Or anyone else here who feels those pictures of batman insult the dead or make light of this crime) lighten up?
No, that's not why I said it and you know that! If Vic has a problem, let him say so - I took down the pictures that he complained about and if you had bothered to read his post properly he went on to say "I do not object to the puerile, childish, nonsense, that is the rest of the thread" it was to that statement that I said Lighten up!!
I feel like I'm being argued over and I'm still in the room!
I feel like I'm being argued over and I'm still in the room!
I feel like I'm being argued over and I'm still in the room!
Because not everyone makes light of the situation on here. It is an interesting case. Mike has access to a lot that hasn't been shown. There are good members here on both sides that post things I find interesting.Mat I cannot see how you can suggest Caroline makes light of the situation. Shes a valued and seriously commited member of the forum. You 're stirring it imo.
Mat I cannot see how you can suggest Caroline makes light of the situation. Shes a valued and seriously commited member of the forum. You 're stirring it imo.
Mat I cannot see how you can suggest Caroline makes light of the situation. Shes a valued and seriously commited member of the forum. You 're stirring it imo.
Maggie, simply because of the comment I quoted.But those sort of comments are often made, she certainly wasn't or wouldn't have meant to be disrespectful....I think you misunderstood her.
Maggie, simply because of the comment I quoted.
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It doesn't matter to me one iota what you think, Vic knows what I was referring to and no amount of you trying to twist it is going to make it mean something it didn't!!
But those sort of comments are often made, she certainly wasn't or wouldn't have meant to be disrespectful....I think you misunderstood her.
I know you knew what I meant Vic and that's all that matters to me!!
From whom came the sick posts.? Just to clarify.
Hi Caroline, firstly can I just thank you and the other mods, who on the whole have backed up my complaints about some of the recent posts. It's a hard job being a mod especially so when it's against the forum owner.
When you told me to lighten up, I knew what you meant and it gave me a chance to vent what I thought of the thread. I admit that when it comes to the case, I find it very difficult to find much humour in it.
I didn't understand your eggshells post as to me it seemed like you were blaming me in some way for creating that feeling on the forum. I listed the postings I've complained about to demonstrate to other members just how many there have been recently and I have a clear view why.
I was NOT bullying you or trying to! ( if that post was aimed at me! )
I have to say that when you told me to lighten up, I have had more pm's and texts, than just about any posting ever. I KNOW that you didn't mean it the way it came out, but it did cause offence to many people. But I think that is because there have been so many offensive postings over the last week or so.
Just my view and I mean you no malice.
Is this a joke?
Thank you Vic, the egg shells comment wasn't actually aimed at you, it was a comment on the whole atmosphere on the forum recently - you have been justified in your complaints (as have several other members). If anything I said caused 'you' offence, then I apologise to 'you' but I know that you know, it wasn't my intention.
;D
Many of Mikes post leave me feeling uncomfortable. And Lookout there was a post you made in the topic that got deleted I wasn't fond of - where you said something about Ann Eaton having saggy drawers or loose knickers or something along those lines that I felt was a bit far.
;D
Many of Mikes post leave me feeling uncomfortable. And Lookout there was a post you made in the topic that got deleted I wasn't fond of - where you said something about Ann Eaton having saggy drawers or loose knickers or something along those lines that I felt was a bit far.
I said NEITHER of those things you lying toad.! Get your bloody facts right before you go accusing people
Oh the irony....
I said NEITHER of those things you lying toad.! Get your bloody facts right before you go accusing people
Lookout, if those aren't the words you used, I'm sorry. I can't check the topic because it has been moved. But a mod could look, I'm not making it up. It was in the topic where Jeremy's letter was posted and a lot of people didn't think the topic should be on the forum so it was removed. I'm sure a mod can check.
Go ahead,,get it checked out if you think it can cause another unpleasant episode. That's all you're fit for. Sniping. I've seen your own board and all you do on that is rip some of us to shreds.How cowardly is that.? Get a bloody life.!
It's not my board, Lookout! And I rarely post on there.
Don't you remember the topic? If it wasn't you who posted the knickers comment, did you see it?
Remember the topic.? After over 5,000 posts.? Do you remember all that you've posted.?
One thing for sure,,it's plain to see that you sit perched waiting for something that's disagreeable to you,,then you zoom in,,,and it's the only time you do,because it's not to actually debate.
Remember the topic.? After over 5,000 posts.? Do you remember all that you've posted.?
One thing for sure,,it's plain to see that you sit perched waiting for something that's disagreeable to you,,then you zoom in,,,and it's the only time you do,because it's not to actually debate.
Lookout. YOU asked me what posts I didn't like, I answered. The topic was the other day, a letter Mike posted with some claims in it from Jeremy about AE.
And it's tuff shit if I don't like what you post about me on the red forum,because it doesn't get deleted. Rules for one and not the other,,so what say I have a go on your forum and ask them to delete what's written about me,,,,because I don't like it,,,and have never done anything to you lot.
I've been classed as " a piece of work ". For what reason.? Who is that moron to judge.?
And it's tuff shit if I don't like what you post about me on the red forum,because it doesn't get deleted. Rules for one and not the other,,so what say I have a go on your forum and ask them to delete what's written about me,,,,because I don't like it,,,and have never done anything to you lot.
I've been classed as " a piece of work ". For what reason.? Who is that moron to judge.?
Timothy you are making a right royal fool of yourself again..
Stop showing off!!!
I really do not want to get into any more arguments, as I don't like falling out with people. I am even trying to be cautious here when I say that whenever I look at those pictures of the dead family I feel as if I am looking at something that should never have been made for public gaze?
At first these photos are shocking. But after seeing them many times they become almost unreal and are treated in a kind of off handed kind of way. I am sure that if my family were murdered in such a horific way I personally would not want pictures plastered up all over the internet for all and sundry to paw over and to disect every day year after year. In fact if they were my family I think I would be campaigning for them to be taken down. I'm not sure how they came to be released into the public domain. But something tells be that they were not officially released. I'm just wondering if it is time to finally put these poor souls to rest and to give them the respect they deserve?
I'm confused!
You're both a right couple of old women that's for sure... What happened to your enigma account?
I really do not want to get into any more arguments, as I don't like falling out with people. I am even trying to be cautious here when I say that whenever I look at those pictures of the dead family I feel as if I am looking at something that should never have been made for public gaze?
At first these photos are shocking. But after seeing them many times they become almost unreal and are treated in a kind of off handed kind of way. I am sure that if my family were murdered in such a horific way I personally would not want pictures plastered up all over the internet for all and sundry to paw over and to disect every day year after year. In fact if they were my family I think I would be campaigning for them to be taken down. I'm not sure how they came to be released into the public domain. But something tells be that they were not officially released. I'm just wondering if it is time to finally put these poor souls to rest and to give them the respect they deserve?
Not half as confused as 'Mat' is... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I really do not want to get into any more arguments, as I don't like falling out with people. I am even trying to be cautious here when I say that whenever I look at those pictures of the dead family I feel as if I am looking at something that should never have been made for public gaze?
At first these photos are shocking. But after seeing them many times they become almost unreal and are treated in a kind of off handed kind of way. I am sure that if my family were murdered in such a horific way I personally would not want pictures plastered up all over the internet for all and sundry to paw over and to disect every day year after year. In fact if they were my family I think I would be campaigning for them to be taken down. I'm not sure how they came to be released into the public domain. But something tells be that they were not officially released. I'm just wondering if it is time to finally put these poor souls to rest and to give them the respect they deserve?
That's a really nice thing to say Lugg.
That's a really nice thing to say Lugg.
No 'Matty' - you are 52 year old Timothy Bennett, who lives over in Luxenbourg...
When do you plan to tell us all what you are 'really' doing over there?
Wonder how long it will take before you complain about this post in order for it to be removed?
But then you are John arent' you? puh.... lol.....
I agree.
Mat you were my cousin I think, I'm not sure if that was before or after you were me ;)
In one magic evening about 2 years ago, old 'dial-a-preece' went from refusing to believe I knew any of the relatives to claiming I was Ann....
I agree.
Mat you were my cousin I think, I'm not sure if that was before or after you were me ;)
In one magic evening about 2 years ago, old 'dial-a-preece' went from refusing to believe I knew any of the relatives to claiming I was Ann....
Timothy you have so many accounts it's hard to keep up with you - how's Sika? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Language Timothy!!!
I really do not want to get into any more arguments, as I don't like falling out with people. I am even trying to be cautious here when I say that whenever I look at those pictures of the dead family I feel as if I am looking at something that should never have been made for public gaze?
At first these photos are shocking. But after seeing them many times they become almost unreal and are treated in a kind of off handed kind of way. I am sure that if my family were murdered in such a horific way I personally would not want pictures plastered up all over the internet for all and sundry to paw over and to disect every day year after year. In fact if they were my family I think I would be campaigning for them to be taken down. I'm not sure how they came to be released into the public domain. But something tells be that they were not officially released. I'm just wondering if it is time to finally put these poor souls to rest and to give them the respect they deserve?
On the other hand...I understand what you are saying Mike. But I just have visions of say if that was a picture of my son or my daughter being displayed on the internet for years on end that would recreate the horror every day for me when I should be trying to remember the good times and how they looked when they were alive. I remember seeing a picture of a crash victim on the internet. A very beautiful girl. The crash killed her and mutilated her face in a horific way and I remember the victim's family complaining about it. It was put there entirely without their permission and for what? For those who looked out of curiosity and nothing else. I can see how these things can affect people and especially the relatives, who remember don't only consist of 3 or 4 people. But also those who were children at the time of the massacre, who are now grown up. One cannot think of the mental traumer of these folk?
These images are the very evidence which prove police restaged Sheila Caffells body, in keeping with the findings of the original unedited versions of the 1988 Barrett, and 1993 COLP Reports, so this is not about being disrepectful to the deceased, or any relative, it is about being respectful to a persons right to receive a fair trial, and so that nobody can be blamed for doing something which someone else has done, and did - in this case, police restaged Sheila's body, and blamed Bamber for having done so, now that is a very wicked and evil thing to do. Rather than upset relatives, they should be welcoming any insight into any wrong doings by the police in respect to mistreatment of a deceased relatives body, rather than be trying to suppress the truth about what the police have done, and did. Not only has justice got to be done to the memory of those who died, it has got to be seen to be done, and not just for the sake of the relatives or thier supporters, it has got to be seen to be done for everybody, because if you allow these evil corrupted police officers and officials to get away with doing, performing, and committing such attrocities as these, there can never be any justice for ordinary people...
Look at Hillsborough, how long it took to make officialdom take action, nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever. You cannot let police get away with killing people, and covering things up, somebody has to make a stand, people need to know the truth. In Hillsborough, the relatives of the 96 deceased pressed for the truth, but in the Bamber case, the relatives and thier supporters do not want to know the truth, they are satisfied that in the end after a change (SC/688/85 to SC/786/85) in direction of the investigation, police finally arrived at the truth the relatives had been promoting right from the word go, which would and did open the floodgates for them to financial bliss...
I understand what you are saying Mike. But I just have visions of say if that was a picture of my son or my daughter being displayed on the internet for years on end that would recreate the horror every day for me when I should be trying to remember the good times and how they looked when they were alive. I remember seeing a picture of a crash victim on the internet. A very beautiful girl. The crash killed her and mutilated her face in a horific way and I remember the victim's family complaining about it. It was put there entirely without their permission and for what? For those who looked out of curiosity and nothing else. I can see how these things can affect people and especially the relatives, who remember don't only consist of 3 or 4 people. But also those who were children at the time of the massacre, who are now grown up. One cannot think of the mental traumer of these folk?
How many ordinary people, would tolerate police tampering and being disrepectful to the body of a loved one, or relative, or a friend, and want to do nothing about it? The families of the Hillsborough 96 had the right attitude and approach, police gambled on pulling the wool over everybodies eyes in that case, blaming drunken Liverpool supporters for doing things they did not do, and had't done - but they picked on the wrong crowd, and the wrong people - Bambers case is similar, they have blamed Jeremy Bamber for staging the body of Sheila in the bedroom, on the bedroom floor, when it was the police who had, and did restage it. In this case, (Bamber), police took photographs of the body they restaged, and presented them to the jury, as evidence of what they had found, and what Bamber had done, when all along it was a sham, a set up, where police had to restage the scene, because of something which occurred after the raid team entered the house, that ordinary members of the public, were never supposed to find out about...
Shame on Essex police, shame on the relatives, and thier supporters, for not wanting the truth to come out, about what really took place surrounding Sheila's death, inside the bedroom - I honestly do not know how any of you, and them, can sleep at night...
I am John Lamberton too. Remember, Stephanie? (I am "abs")Are you that girl from N.C.I.S. ? :)
I am sure John is thrilled to be mixed up with a non-English person with a half poor English writing style.... 8)
I believe your views would be different if you thought police had restaged the body of a loved one...Possibly? Who knows how any of us would truly feel, except perhaps the relatives of those people?
I believe your views would be different if you thought police had restaged the body of a loved one...
And I can bet that Jeremys' biological father feels something deep down when and if he sees anything derogatory said or written by anyone. I know I would, as the years pass and you have time to think more deeply about certain things. His biological mother too,and half sisters,,being constantly reminded.I agree lookout, I do wonder how his natural mum feels inside...very difficult for her I'm sure and for his natural siblings, we really dont know f any of them have contact with him and its not our business. I do hope there's some contact between them. :)
They're all human too.!
I agree lookout, I do wonder how his natural mum feels inside...very difficult for her I'm sure and for his natural siblings, we really dont know f any of them have contact with him and its not our business. I do hope there's some contact between them. :)
Hi lookout, I don't know and it's not anyone's business imo but I believe Jeremy has a natural full sister and brother. :) :)
Maggie,,did I read somewhere that one of the half-sisters had met Jeremy.?
On the other hand...
These images are the very evidence which prove police restaged Sheila Caffells body, in keeping with the findings of the original unedited versions of the 1988 Barrett, and 1993 COLP Reports, so this is not about being disrepectful to the deceased, or any relative, it is about being respectful to a persons right to receive a fair trial, and so that nobody can be blamed for doing something which someone else has done, and did - in this case, police restaged Sheila's body, and blamed Bamber for having done so, now that is a very wicked and evil thing to do. Rather than upset relatives, they should be welcoming any insight into any wrong doings by the police in respect to mistreatment of a deceased relatives body, rather than be trying to suppress the truth about what the police have done, and did. Not only has justice got to be done to the memory of those who died, it has got to be seen to be done, and not just for the sake of the relatives or thier supporters, it has got to be seen to be done for everybody, because if you allow these evil corrupted police officers and officials to get away with doing, performing, and committing such attrocities as these, there can never be any justice for ordinary people...
Look at Hillsborough, how long it took to make officialdom take action, nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever. You cannot let police get away with killing people, and covering things up, somebody has to make a stand, people need to know the truth. In Hillsborough, the relatives of the 96 deceased pressed for the truth, but in the Bamber case, the relatives and thier supporters do not want to know the truth, they are satisfied that in the end after a change (SC/688/85 to SC/786/85) in direction of the investigation, police finally arrived at the truth the relatives had been promoting right from the word go, which would and did open the floodgates for them to financial bliss...
Hi lookout
don't think Jeremy has met his sister or brother but think AA has met them both and said Jeremy does look like his sister but not his brother. Think she met his birth Mother once they had I think a coffee/tea shop somewhere.
When you've had as many internet trolls attack you, as I have, you'd be confused also Abs..
To be honest I don't trust anyone who doesn't have the courage to use their real name.. but that's me..
I wonder what these people have to hide?
There's anonymity and there's fraudsters.. and of course 'witness protection.' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No disrespect but please do not post in relation to Hillsborough, when you are posting such inaccuracies. Hundreds if not thousands of people complained with respect to footage and press coverage of Hillsborough. There are 96 recorded deaths in relation to the Hillsborough disaster, but many others died as a result of Hillsborough as they found it impossible to cope both with the disaster itself and the subsequent media coverage and were driven to suicide.
Indeed there were many court cases where relatives largely unsuccessfully tried to recover in relation to the awful images they witnessed in the media. This injustice was further heightened when they saw numerous police officers being signed off and allowed to retire on ill health grounds with full pensions, when many families and relatives of the victims received nothing as their loss was deemed to be too remote.
The relatives have been fantastic in their dedication and commitment, and they have been well supported by thousands of other people committed to allowing the general public to see the real truth that they have known for 24 years, not the police and media cover up version.
Pete (yes, that is my real name!) (LLB, LPC, trainee solicitor, solicitor)
JFT96
With respect, I disagree with your view that media coverage of Hillsborough affected the outcome of the inquest verdicts, since my own view is that such coverage arguably worked in favour of the latest outcome to quash the 96 inquest verdicts, I personally do not care if you are a police officer, a solicitor, a barrister, a judge, a polititian, the Home Secretary, the lord chief justice, the DPP, the queen of England, or just an ordinary person from the street, I can say what I believe to be true on my own forum, providing I believe it to be true, it doesn't matter to me what you think about what I think, you have your views and I have mine, if you can't accept that, then your in the wrong place pal, you need to be visiting other sites where people might be frightened to speak thier minds. For your information, matey, I believe there are very strong similarities to Hillsborough and the Bamber case, since in both instances, police and other agencies of the State sought to cover up the truth...
With respect, I disagree with your view that media coverage of Hillsborough affected the outcome of the inquest verdicts, since my own view is that such coverage arguably worked in favour of the latest outcome to quash the 96 inquest verdicts, I personally do not care if you are a police officer, a solicitor, a barrister, a judge, a polititian, the Home Secretary, the lord chief justice, the DPP, the queen of England, or just an ordinary person from the street, I can say what I believe to be true on my own forum, providing I believe it to be true, it doesn't matter to me what you think about what I think, you have your views and I have mine, if you can't accept that, then your in the wrong place pal, you need to be visiting other sites where people might be frightened to speak thier minds. For your information, matey, I believe there are very strong similarities to Hillsborough and the Bamber case, since in both instances, police and other agencies of the State, sought to cover up the truth...
If you don't like what I say, don't read it, or go somewhere else, and get your entertainment elsewhere, or stay and participate, but you have a go at me, and I will certainly have a go at you, this is not a courthouse, its a forum that I happen to be the owner of, but which belongs to everyone...
I certainly wasn't having a go at you personally. You posted that "nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch"
I was correcting you and stating that in fact hundreds of hundreds of people complained and a number were driven to suicide, as they could not cope both with the Hillsborough disaster itself and the subsequent media coverage.
JFT96
Listen, media coverage of the injured and dying did not cause people to commit suicide, it was the loss of loved ones, family, and friends who lost thier lives at Hillsborough, and the circumstances of how they lost thier lives, the aftermath, the dodgy investigations into the tragedy that took place involving dodgy senior police officers, and other persons in office at other agencies of the State, the re-writing of witness statements, the inquest verdicts, on and on it goes, and on and on it went, so you can't honestly say that media coverage was the sole reason why people committed suicide - the way I see it, media coverage was a vital part of rectifying these miscarriages of justice, coupled with the determination and dignity of the people from Liverpool and elsewhere who lost loved ones, and friends, etc...
I have said and strongly believe that it was the overall affect of the Hillsborough disaster itself coupled with subsequent media coverage which drove some people to suicide.
These were people who had survived a horrifying ordeal where they had seen people dying around them and were incredibly lucky to survive. Once they are out of hospital they then read that they themselves were to blame for the disaster, and in effect they killed their own. They knew this was not what happened and was not true and was an OUTRAGEOUS LIE but were faced with an overwhelming media barrage. This also applied to families of the victims who died, who were then reading and hearing that they in effect deserved to die as it was their own fault. For some survivors of the tragedy this proved to be unbearable and tragically drove them to suicide. So yes I would say media coverage did play a large role in the subsequent deaths of a number of people following Hillsborough.
I disagree that media coverage was vital to rectify this miscarriage of justice. The overwhelming main reasons that a massive step has been taken on the path to rectify the miscarriages of justice are:
1 - The passion and determination of the HFSG, HJC and all family members and friends of the 96 who died who have never given up and shown unbelievable courage in their fight for the truth to be revealed.
2 - The thousands and thousands of Liverpool people, Liverpool fans and others in the footballing and non-footballing world who have given their support and vital donations to help fund the legal fight.
3 - The Hillsborough independent panel report published on 12 September 2012.
4 - The response from David Cameron in parliament on 12 September 2012 which was incredibly strong and virtually implored the Attorney General to set aside the original inquest hearings.
The role played by the media in the fight for the truth and justice for the 96 is some way down the list.
JFT96
There were many reasons why the campaign to overturn the inquest verdicts succeeded, of which the media coverage formed a formiddable part, no matter how far you put it down your list...
Are u seriously trying to tell me that media coverage played a more important role than the Hillsborough independent panel report and the reaction of David Cameron to this?!!!!
Media coverage played a very minor role in having the inquest verdicts overturned in my opinion.
Don't try to put your words into my mouth, I can speak for myself, thank you very much...
Ok, so do you agree / disagree with the following points?
1 - You were inaccurate when you posted that "nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever." - as I explained in my subsequent posts?
2- The main contributents towards the appalling miscarriage of justice being corrected were mainly the diligent work of both the victims families and survivors of the Hillsborough disaster and the independent Hillsborough panel report?
3 - The media played a massively significant role in the initial inquest verdicts, thanks to their scandalous reporting, after they were wrongly briefed by Duckenfield et al?
4- The media have only played a very minor role in the inquest verdicts being overturned. As i explained in previous posts this was largely down to the Hillsborough independent panel report and David Cameron's response to this where he virtually implored the AG to overturn the original verdicts?
JFT96
I don't agree with your interpretation of events, everything did not happen on day one of Hillsborough, in the way you have presented the alleged facts, what you say is misleading and inaccurate, it took years and years for all the different factors you speak about to produce the result where the inquest verdicts were quashed, the media did play a role in the end result, it even published and broadcast the actions mentioned in the other elements you list, thus helping to promote the part they played in the overall campaign, it took years and years to get to where we are now, it didn't happen over night, so as I say I don't neceassarily agree with your interpretation of events...