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[petey]

With respect, I disagree with your view that media coverage of Hillsborough affected the outcome of the inquest verdicts, since my own view is that such coverage arguably worked in favour of the latest outcome to quash the 96 inquest verdicts, I personally do not care if you are a police officer, a solicitor, a barrister, a judge, a polititian, the Home Secretary, the lord chief justice, the DPP, the queen of England, or just an ordinary person from the street, I can say what I believe to be true on my own forum, providing I believe it to be true, it doesn't matter to me what you think about what I think, you have your views and I have mine, if you can't accept that, then your in the wrong place pal, you need to be visiting other sites where people might be frightened to speak thier minds. For your information, matey, I believe there are very strong similarities to Hillsborough and the Bamber case, since in both instances, police and other agencies of the State, sought to cover up the truth...

My post was merely to highlight that hundreds, if not thousands of people complained about the media coverage of Hillsborough, when u had posted that nobody had.

In my opinion, media coverage (which has tainted by Duckenfield's LIES) undoubtedly influenced the original inquest verdicts, when the coroner set down the ridiculous 3.15pm cut off point.

With regards to the recent decision to overturn the initial inquest verdicts I would say that decision was far more influenced by the publication of the Hillsborough Report on September 12th 2012 and David Cameron's response in parliament to this, as opposed to media coverage, although obviously that helped too.

We will have to agree to disagree with regards Hillsborough and the JB case, as I think there are far too many differences to make a tangible, accurate analogy.

Me referencing the fact I am a solicitor was not aimed at you. Rather it was aimed at people who for some unearthly decision have believed I am John L, Tim, close to the relatives, come with an ulterior motive, not a lawyer........all completely untrue. I don't view myself any different to any other person who posts on this forum, as I am here to discuss and debate JB, not who's got the most degrees!

[petey]

If you don't like what I say, don't read it, or go somewhere else, and get your entertainment elsewhere, or stay and participate, but you have a go at me, and I will certainly have a go at you, this is not a courthouse, its a forum that I happen to be the owner of, but which belongs to everyone...

I certainly wasn't having a go at you personally. You posted that "nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch"

I was correcting you and stating that in fact hundreds of hundreds of people complained and a number were driven to suicide, as they could not cope both with the Hillsborough disaster itself and the subsequent media coverage.

JFT96

[mike tesko]

I certainly wasn't having a go at you personally. You posted that "nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch"

I was correcting you and stating that in fact hundreds of hundreds of people complained and a number were driven to suicide, as they could not cope both with the Hillsborough disaster itself and the subsequent media coverage.

JFT96

Listen, media coverage of the injured and dying did not cause people to commit suicide, it was the loss of loved ones, family, and friends who lost thier lives at Hillsborough, and the circumstances of how they lost thier lives, the aftermath, the dodgy investigations into the tragedy that took place involving dodgy senior police officers, and other persons in office at other agencies of the State, the re-writing of witness statements, the inquest verdicts, on and on it goes, and on and on it went, so you can't honestly say that media coverage was the sole reason why people committed suicide - the way I see it, media coverage was a vital part of rectifying these miscarriages of justice, coupled with the determination and dignity of the people from Liverpool and elsewhere who lost loved ones, and friends, etc...

[petey]

Listen, media coverage of the injured and dying did not cause people to commit suicide, it was the loss of loved ones, family, and friends who lost thier lives at Hillsborough, and the circumstances of how they lost thier lives, the aftermath, the dodgy investigations into the tragedy that took place involving dodgy senior police officers, and other persons in office at other agencies of the State, the re-writing of witness statements, the inquest verdicts, on and on it goes, and on and on it went, so you can't honestly say that media coverage was the sole reason why people committed suicide - the way I see it, media coverage was a vital part of rectifying these miscarriages of justice, coupled with the determination and dignity of the people from Liverpool and elsewhere who lost loved ones, and friends, etc...

I have said and strongly believe that it was the overall affect of the Hillsborough disaster itself coupled with subsequent media coverage which drove some people to suicide.

These were people who had survived a horrifying ordeal where they had seen people dying around them and were incredibly lucky to survive. Once they are out of hospital they then read that they themselves were to blame for the disaster, and in effect they killed their own. They knew this was not what happened and was not true and was an OUTRAGEOUS LIE but were faced with an overwhelming media barrage. This also applied to families of the victims who died, who were then reading and hearing that they in effect deserved to die as it was their own fault.  For some survivors of the tragedy this proved to be unbearable and tragically drove them to suicide. So yes I would say media coverage did play a large role in the subsequent deaths of a number of people following Hillsborough.

I disagree that media coverage was vital to rectify this miscarriage of justice.  The overwhelming main reasons that a massive step has been taken on the path to rectify the miscarriages of justice are:

1 - The passion and determination of the HFSG, HJC and all family members and friends of the 96 who died who have never given up and shown unbelievable courage in their fight for the truth to be revealed.

2 - The thousands and thousands of Liverpool people, Liverpool fans and others in the footballing and non-footballing world who have given their support and vital donations to help fund the legal fight.

3 - The Hillsborough independent panel report published on 12 September 2012.

4 - The response from David Cameron in parliament on 12 September 2012 which was incredibly strong and virtually implored the Attorney General to set aside the original inquest hearings.

The role played by the media in the fight for the truth and justice for the 96 is some way down the list.

JFT96

[mike tesko]

I have said and strongly believe that it was the overall affect of the Hillsborough disaster itself coupled with subsequent media coverage which drove some people to suicide.

These were people who had survived a horrifying ordeal where they had seen people dying around them and were incredibly lucky to survive. Once they are out of hospital they then read that they themselves were to blame for the disaster, and in effect they killed their own. They knew this was not what happened and was not true and was an OUTRAGEOUS LIE but were faced with an overwhelming media barrage. This also applied to families of the victims who died, who were then reading and hearing that they in effect deserved to die as it was their own fault.  For some survivors of the tragedy this proved to be unbearable and tragically drove them to suicide. So yes I would say media coverage did play a large role in the subsequent deaths of a number of people following Hillsborough.

I disagree that media coverage was vital to rectify this miscarriage of justice.  The overwhelming main reasons that a massive step has been taken on the path to rectify the miscarriages of justice are:

1 - The passion and determination of the HFSG, HJC and all family members and friends of the 96 who died who have never given up and shown unbelievable courage in their fight for the truth to be revealed.

2 - The thousands and thousands of Liverpool people, Liverpool fans and others in the footballing and non-footballing world who have given their support and vital donations to help fund the legal fight.

3 - The Hillsborough independent panel report published on 12 September 2012.

4 - The response from David Cameron in parliament on 12 September 2012 which was incredibly strong and virtually implored the Attorney General to set aside the original inquest hearings.

The role played by the media in the fight for the truth and justice for the 96 is some way down the list.

JFT96

There were many reasons why the campaign to overturn the inquest verdicts succeeded, of which the media coverage formed a formiddable part, no matter how far you put it down your list...

[petey]

There were many reasons why the campaign to overturn the inquest verdicts succeeded, of which the media coverage formed a formiddable part, no matter how far you put it down your list...

Are u seriously trying to tell me that media coverage played a more important role than the Hillsborough independent panel report and the reaction of David Cameron to this?!!!!


Media coverage played a very minor role in having the inquest verdicts overturned in my opinion.

[mike tesko]

Are u seriously trying to tell me that media coverage played a more important role than the Hillsborough independent panel report and the reaction of David Cameron to this?!!!!


Media coverage played a very minor role in having the inquest verdicts overturned in my opinion.

Don't try to put your words into my mouth, I can speak for myself, thank you very much...

[petey]

Don't try to put your words into my mouth, I can speak for myself, thank you very much...

Ok, so do you agree / disagree with the following points?

1 - You were inaccurate when you posted that  "nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever." - as I explained in my subsequent posts?

2- The main contributents towards the appalling miscarriage of justice being corrected were mainly the diligent work of both the victims families and survivors of the Hillsborough disaster and the independent Hillsborough panel report?

3 - The media played a massively significant role in the initial inquest verdicts, thanks to their scandalous reporting, after they were wrongly briefed by Duckenfield et al?

4- The media have only played a very minor role in the inquest verdicts being overturned. As i explained in previous posts this was largely down to the Hillsborough independent panel report and David Cameron's response to this where he virtually implored the AG to overturn the original verdicts?

JFT96

[mike tesko]

Ok, so do you agree / disagree with the following points?

1 - You were inaccurate when you posted that  "nobody complained or moaned when footage of the disaster was played and broadcast, and images posted in the papers of people dying and dead on the pitch, or of being crush, or whatever." - as I explained in my subsequent posts?

2- The main contributents towards the appalling miscarriage of justice being corrected were mainly the diligent work of both the victims families and survivors of the Hillsborough disaster and the independent Hillsborough panel report?

3 - The media played a massively significant role in the initial inquest verdicts, thanks to their scandalous reporting, after they were wrongly briefed by Duckenfield et al?

4- The media have only played a very minor role in the inquest verdicts being overturned. As i explained in previous posts this was largely down to the Hillsborough independent panel report and David Cameron's response to this where he virtually implored the AG to overturn the original verdicts?

JFT96

I don't agree with your interpretation of events, everything did not happen on day one of Hillsborough, in the way you have presented the alleged facts, what you say is misleading and inaccurate, it took years and years for all the different factors you speak about to produce the result where the inquest verdicts were quashed, the media did play a role in the end result, it even published and broadcast the actions mentioned in the other elements you list, thus helping to promote the part they played in the overall campaign, it took years and years to get to where we are now, it didn't happen over night, so as I say I don't neceassarily agree with your interpretation of events...

[petey]

I don't agree with your interpretation of events, everything did not happen on day one of Hillsborough, in the way you have presented the alleged facts, what you say is misleading and inaccurate, it took years and years for all the different factors you speak about to produce the result where the inquest verdicts were quashed, the media did play a role in the end result, it even published and broadcast the actions mentioned in the other elements you list, thus helping to promote the part they played in the overall campaign, it took years and years to get to where we are now, it didn't happen over night, so as I say I don't neceassarily agree with your interpretation of events...

I have never said for 1 minute that everything happened on 1 day. I know full well it took over 23 long years for the truth to be finally revealed and the families and victims still await justice.

However for u to post that my posts are misleading and inaccurate is simply not true. If u tell me specifically what you believe to be inaccurate then I will set it out in more detail to clarify matters.

When it appeared that there was no chance of the original inquests being overturned and no chance of a new investigation and report into the Hillsborough disaster, morale amongst campaigners was at a low point as they had fought for so long against those who prevented the real truth from being revealed.

I was sat on the kop on 15th April 2009 attending the 20th anniversary memorial service. Andy burnham mp stood up and despite being heckled with chants of "justice for the 96" he made a direct promise that he would raise Hillsborough in parliament to set up a new investigation into the disaster and he called on the police and ambulance services to release documents not available to the initial Taylor report. My respect for Andy burnham is immense as he was true to his word which saw the creation of the Hillsborough independent panel, chaired by Bishop James Jones. The diligent work carried out by this panel, their findings and the reaction of David Cameron in parliament meant that finally the real truth has been revealed and justice is a massive step nearer.

JFT96