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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: guest7363 on December 09, 2012, 09:50:AM
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Rich pleaders
6 fat cat lawyers get £½MILLION each a year legal aid
Could this also be the reason our judicial system needs a complete overall? SIX fat cat lawyers raked in more than £500,000 a year each in legal aid payments,
They were among dozens of barristers who billed the taxpayer for six-figure sums to defend alleged terrorists, rapists and fraudsters.
The huge pay-outs explain why Britain’s £2.2billion legal aid bill is among the highest in the world.
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How do they qualify for legal aid?
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Of course there needs to be a re-shuffle of the system,Ralph. One of my family had £600 legal aid,,without having seen the lawyer,only the secretary. I'd done all the ground work,,,and there wasn't even a letter received by him,so what the charge was for,,I don't know to this day. Great,isn't it.?
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How do they qualify for legal aid?
I cant answer that lugg because the goal posts move depending on being able to pay? My sister inlaw years back while just finishing her 3 rd job of the day was waiting at a bus stop for a bus, stood on the pavement. A car mounted the kerb and hit her and sent her 15 foot in the air she broke all her bones in the right hand side of her body from impact also broke her neck and was in hospital for some considerable time. Looked an open and shut case until the car driver claimed she had a epileptic fit? My sister inlaw who couldnt get legal aid because her and my bro was earnig to much lost the case because it was the first epileptic fit the driver had it was classed as an act of god? Tony benn tried to help to no avail, barristers who at first were after rich pickings dropped the case ect ect. Now if she had been someone who never worked or was an illegal immigrant or a prisoner in jail she would not have got threated to take her house of her if she pursued the case. It was costing the insurance company money to fight them. Act of god my arse?
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Goodness me,Ralph,,that's terrible.
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I cant answer that lugg because the goal posts move depending on being able to pay? My sister inlaw years back while just finishing her 3 rd job of the day was waiting at a bus stop for a bus, stood on the pavement. A car mounted the kerb and hit her and sent her 15 foot in the air she broke all her bones in the right hand side of her body from impact also broke her neck and was in hospital for some considerable time. Looked an open and shut case until the car driver claimed she had a epileptic fit? My sister inlaw who couldnt get legal aid because her and my bro was earnig to much lost the case because it was the first epileptic fit the driver had it was classed as an act of god? Tony benn tried to help to no avail, barristers who at first were after rich pickings dropped the case ect ect. Now if she had been someone who never worked or was an illegal immigrant or a prisoner in jail she would not have got threated to take her house of her if she pursued the case. It was costing the insurance company money to fight them. Act of god my arse?
If that was me she hit the driver would soon have another epilectic fit that's for sure.
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If that was me she hit the driver would soon have another epilectic fit that's for sure.
It was proved lugg by the insurance company that it was the first fit she had, if it was the persons second fit there would have been a case? I went with my brother to the law firm when it first happened, they were all over us till months down the line it was probley passed to the tea lady? My brother had to give up work to look after her and the children. There are people who abuse the system a system that was set up to help people in need.
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I cant answer that lugg because the goal posts move depending on being able to pay? My sister inlaw years back while just finishing her 3 rd job of the day was waiting at a bus stop for a bus, stood on the pavement. A car mounted the kerb and hit her and sent her 15 foot in the air she broke all her bones in the right hand side of her body from impact also broke her neck and was in hospital for some considerable time. Looked an open and shut case until the car driver claimed she had a epileptic fit? My sister inlaw who couldnt get legal aid because her and my bro was earnig to much lost the case because it was the first epileptic fit the driver had it was classed as an act of god? Tony benn tried to help to no avail, barristers who at first were after rich pickings dropped the case ect ect. Now if she had been someone who never worked or was an illegal immigrant or a prisoner in jail she would not have got threated to take her house of her if she pursued the case. It was costing the insurance company money to fight them. Act of god my arse?
Morning Ralph
This is awful, I do hope that your sister in law had a full recovery. The case its self must have been a difficult one. One does not expect someone stood at a bus stop to get hit with a car and, receive such horrific injuries. Neither does anyone except that someone would have an epileptic fit for the first time whilst driving. I must say I do NOT think that this was an act of god.
Even though this happened a long time ago and, the likelihood of any documents do not exist your sister in law can still make a claim through the government. I will send you details of this privately.
2005 was an horrendous year for me. I had just left my daughters when my mobile started to ring, I'd say I was about 2 miles away. Normally I never answer my phone whilst driving, but saw that it was my daughter ringing me...I answered it.....She was hysterical and, told me my grandson had been knocked over by a car, he was 5 years old. I arrived back at my daughters, she was holding him and crying out for someone to help her....I wont ever forget what I saw and being an ex ambulance driver I froze and could do absolutely nothing to help her or my little grandson. The driver was a female and all I could do was stare at her and wait for the ambulance to arrive. It took a long while for his injuries to heal and, 7 years on he still has a limp.
No claim was ever made, because it was said at the time that the driver was not at fault and, it was my grandson's fault for running into the road having being chased by his eldest brother.
However, the law does state that a child under 6 years old cannot be held to be responsible. There are no records held by the police regarding the incident, but I have found myself a new lawyer who is currently applying to the government for compensation. Any monies that my grandson wins and he will win, will be put into a trust fund till he reaches 21........ :) :) :) :) :)
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I cant answer that lugg because the goal posts move depending on being able to pay? My sister inlaw years back while just finishing her 3 rd job of the day was waiting at a bus stop for a bus, stood on the pavement. A car mounted the kerb and hit her and sent her 15 foot in the air she broke all her bones in the right hand side of her body from impact also broke her neck and was in hospital for some considerable time. Looked an open and shut case until the car driver claimed she had a epileptic fit? My sister inlaw who couldnt get legal aid because her and my bro was earnig to much lost the case because it was the first epileptic fit the driver had it was classed as an act of god? Tony benn tried to help to no avail, barristers who at first were after rich pickings dropped the case ect ect. Now if she had been someone who never worked or was an illegal immigrant or a prisoner in jail she would not have got threated to take her house of her if she pursued the case. It was costing the insurance company money to fight them. Act of god my arse?
Sorry to hear that Ralf, that's terrible!! Was the fit confirmed by a doctor? More importantly, has your sister made a full recovery?
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Rich pleaders
6 fat cat lawyers get £½MILLION each a year legal aid
Could this also be the reason our judicial system needs a complete overall? SIX fat cat lawyers raked in more than £500,000 a year each in legal aid payments,
They were among dozens of barristers who billed the taxpayer for six-figure sums to defend alleged terrorists, rapists and fraudsters.
The huge pay-outs explain why Britain’s £2.2billion legal aid bill is among the highest in the world.
Hi Ralph
Barristers are nearly always self-employed so some of the £500,000 will go towards the running of their chambers (place of work) staff etc.
I believe criminal work is the poorest paid and tax the highest paid. Tax barristers can earn a fortune. These are the guys and girls helping the likes of Amazon and Starbucks etc 'legally' dodge their tax liabilities :)
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Morning Ralph
This is awful, I do hope that your sister in law had a full recovery. The case its self must have been a difficult one. One does not expect someone stood at a bus stop to get hit with a car and, receive such horrific injuries. Neither does anyone except that someone would have an epileptic fit for the first time whilst driving. I must say I do NOT think that this was an act of god.
Even though this happened a long time ago and, the likelihood of any documents do not exist your sister in law can still make a claim through the government. I will send you details of this privately.
2005 was an horrendous year for me. I had just left my daughters when my mobile started to ring, I'd say I was about 2 miles away. Normally I never answer my phone whilst driving, but saw that it was my daughter ringing me...I answered it.....She was hysterical and, told me my grandson had been knocked over by a car, he was 5 years old. I arrived back at my daughters, she was holding him and crying out for someone to help her....I wont ever forget what I saw and being an ex ambulance driver I froze and could do absolutely nothing to help her or my little grandson. The driver was a female and all I could do was stare at her and wait for the ambulance to arrive. It took a long while for his injuries to heal and, 7 years on he still has a limp.
No claim was ever made, because it was said at the time that the driver was not at fault and, it was my grandson's fault for running into the road having being chased by his eldest brother.
However, the law does state that a child under 6 years old cannot be held to be responsible. There are no records held by the police regarding the incident, but I have found myself a new lawyer who is currently applying to the government for compensation. Any monies that my grandson wins and he will win, will be put into a trust fund till he reaches 21........ :) :) :) :) :)
How sad that was patti really hope everything goes ok. Thanks for the advice patti but my brother has had enough of lawyers and barristers trust me i wouldnt dare go back with anything else.
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I cant answer that lugg because the goal posts move depending on being able to pay? My sister inlaw years back while just finishing her 3 rd job of the day was waiting at a bus stop for a bus, stood on the pavement. A car mounted the kerb and hit her and sent her 15 foot in the air she broke all her bones in the right hand side of her body from impact also broke her neck and was in hospital for some considerable time. Looked an open and shut case until the car driver claimed she had a epileptic fit? My sister inlaw who couldnt get legal aid because her and my bro was earnig to much lost the case because it was the first epileptic fit the driver had it was classed as an act of god? Tony benn tried to help to no avail, barristers who at first were after rich pickings dropped the case ect ect. Now if she had been someone who never worked or was an illegal immigrant or a prisoner in jail she would not have got threated to take her house of her if she pursued the case. It was costing the insurance company money to fight them. Act of god my arse?
My father developed epilepsy after a minor stroke. I felt he should no longer drive and spoke with his doctor who told me that the chances were negligable of anyone having a fit whilst driving. He said fits are more likely to occur when a person is in a relaxed state.
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Sorry to hear that Ralf, that's terrible!! Was the fit confirmed by a doctor? More importantly, has your sister made a full recovery?
Yes caroline the fit was confirmed by doing scans? My sister in law made a recovery but left with a lot of pain and suffers a lot to this day? Also this caused a big change for my brother? It was the scans and tests the insurance company used as a threat to take their house?
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If that was me she hit the driver would soon have another epilectic fit that's for sure.
How about showing some respect for people who suffer from epilepsy and the massive impact this has on their lives.
It can be a very tough illness to live with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy
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My father developed epilepsy after a minor stroke. I felt he should no longer drive and spoke with his doctor who told me that the chances were negligable of anyone having a fit whilst driving. He said fits are more likely to occur when a person is in a relaxed state.
You cannot generalise when SEIZURES are more likely to happen as there are so many different types of epilepsy and different people have different trigger factors.
If your father developed epilepsy then you cannot drive within 12 months of having a seizure.
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My father developed epilepsy after a minor stroke. I felt he should no longer drive and spoke with his doctor who told me that the chances were negligable of anyone having a fit whilst driving. He said fits are more likely to occur when a person is in a relaxed state.
How unlucky my sister inlaw was then? To this day my brother or his wife never hold or held a grudge against the driver even playing football with her son in the same team. But if we look back at the argument if he had been some terrorist or illegal immigrant or someone who did not work or someone in jail he would have got all the help he wanted .Legal aid should be given once and once only to any criminal .
why should we give benefits to people who commit crimes while unemployed and then ask us to defend them .
So you see the gripe is not with the driver its with the system
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How about showing some respect for people who suffer from epilepsy and the massive impact this has on their lives.
It can be a very tough illness to live with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy
Pete can i stress the gripe or moan was or is not about the driver or epilepsy, i feel for anyone who has it, its the system thats at fault?
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Pete can i stress the gripe or moan was or is not about the driver or epilepsy, i feel for anyone who has it, its the system thats at fault?
I know. I wasn't having a go at you and sympathise with what happened to you. My comment was directed at Lugg who I think made a totally unnecessary post about making someone have an epileptic fit.
If he knew what it was like to live with epilepsy, perhaps he wouldn't be so quick to judge.
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How sad that was patti really hope everything goes ok. Thanks for the advice patti but my brother has had enough of lawyers and barristers trust me i wouldnt dare go back with anything else.
Hi Ralph
You see it was not your sister in law's fault, nor was it the drivers fault. She could not have foreseen she would have had an epileptic seizure for the first time. It was an accident all said and done and it must have been difficult to lay the blame on the driver. But, laws have changed like I mentioned with the case of my Grandson. It would be not be fair to have taken the woman to court at the time, she was not speeding and she could not foresee that a child would run out into the road.....This is why we are going for compensation through government channels, because it is more of a fair option... :) :) :) :)
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How unlucky my sister inlaw was then? To this day my brother or his wife never hold or held a grudge against the driver even playing football with her son in the same team. But if we look back at the argument if he had been some terrorist or illegal immigrant or someone who did not work or someone in jail he would have got all the help he wanted .Legal aid should be given once and once only to any criminal .
why should we give benefits to people who commit crimes while unemployed and then ask us to defend them .
So you see the gripe is not with the driver its with the system
Ralph, I couldn't agree more. I never run on about immigrants taking "our" jobs and houses. Our present law allows this to happen so the people aren't to blame, the system is. Illegal is something different but I can only imagine how dreadful life must be in their countries of origin for those willing to risk their lives by clinging to the underside of lorries to get here. However bad we believe it to have become, it seems that, for some, the streets of England are paved with gold.
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Sorry, but I disagree regarding immigrants and refugee's these are human beings and as so have to be treated like so.
A refugee is what he/she is and that is someone who is fleeing from their Country because of conflict. An Immigrant can apply to live hear and is not always here illegally. I personally do not think that they have better treatment at all. When you look at our own back yard, it tells you the real story! :) :) :) :)
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You cannot generalise when SEIZURES are more likely to happen as there are so many different types of epilepsy and different people have different trigger factors.
If your father developed epilepsy then you cannot drive within 12 months of having a seizure.
Petey, by the time I'd finished researchinh SEIZURES and their causes, I probably knew as much as the neurologist. Thankfully, whether or not my father should drive is no longer an issue, he died in 1993.
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Sorry, but I disagree regarding immigrants and refugee's these are human beings and as so have to be treated like so.
A refugee is what he/she is and that is someone who is fleeing from their Country because of conflict. An Immigrant can apply to live hear and is not always here illegally. I personally do not think that they have better treatment at all. When you look at our own back yard, it tells you the real story! :) :) :) :)
Sorry but my brother who has worked really hard all his life was treated different and people who comit crimes and never work do get treated better i will retract the immigrant and refugee for you patti dear.
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Sorry but my brother who has worked really hard all his life was treated different and people who comit crimes and never work do get treated better i will retract the immigrant and refugee for you patti dear.
Bless!.....No need to do that Ralph, we have all have opinions and, you are a lovely trusted friend... :) :) :) :)
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You cannot generalise when SEIZURES are more likely to happen as there are so many different types of epilepsy and different people have different trigger factors.
If your father developed epilepsy then you cannot drive within 12 months of having a seizure.
My brother suffers from grand mal seizures (or tonic-clonic type). He is not allowed a licence at all. I also had a dog that suffered from the same kind of seizures - heartbreaking to watch!
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Bless!.....No need to do that Ralph, we have all have opinions and, you are a lovely trusted friend... :) :) :) :)
You to patti, wifes at crystal this morning i think to buy my prezzie?
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You to patti, wifes at crystal this morning i think to buy my prezzie?
Ohoooooooo lucky you! I was there on Thursday, it was buzzing and found it difficult to get a parking space, place will be swimming with folk today...I wonder what socks she will buy you....lol :) :) :) :)
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My brother suffers from grand mal seizures (or tonic-clonic type). He is not allowed a licence at all. I also had a dog that suffered from the same kind of seizures - heartbreaking to watch!
How sad caroline, sometimes we are so lucky to have good health that we take for granted.
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Ohoooooooo lucky you! I was there on Thursday, it was buzzing and found it difficult to get a parking space, place will be swimming with folk today...I wonder what socks she will buy you....lol :) :) :) :)
Thermal i hope lol she phoned and said its not busy
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Sorry, but I disagree regarding immigrants and refugee's these are human beings and as so have to be treated like so.
A refugee is what he/she is and that is someone who is fleeing from their Country because of conflict. An Immigrant can apply to live hear and is not always here illegally. I personally do not think that they have better treatment at all. When you look at our own back yard, it tells you the real story! :) :) :) :)
A few weeks ago I (tried) to have a discussion with Steve about how we could help those with mental health problems, who because of the nature of their illnesses, go walk about and find themselves homeless. We have dispensed with asylums, partly because of the stigma attached to them, but such places provided a refuge for those who were lost and vulnerable. There has been much talk of "Care in the Community". I haven't seen much evidence of it working in my own area. I feel it may be better for the vulnerable who are without homes and families to have somewhere they can call home, but sadly, many of us would not wish to have, close to our own homes, those whose behaviour may be unpredictable or volatile and however needy are refugees, and they obviously are or they wouldn't be here, their presence would be just as unwelcome. Will we ever get it right.
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Hi april I am very curious to know what steve's suggestion was for these people who need our help :(
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My brother suffers from grand mal seizures (or tonic-clonic type). He is not allowed a licence at all. I also had a dog that suffered from the same kind of seizures - heartbreaking to watch!
My father's were grand mal. Dealing with them is not something I would wish on anyone. I have a friend who had a benign brain tumour removed 50 yrs ago, which left her with epilepsy. 10 years ago she and her husband acquired a rotweiller, a lovely, dopey thing called Dolly. Sadly, at 5yrs, Dolly developed a brain tumour which resulted in epilepsy and both she and my friend were on the same medication.
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Hi april I am very curious to know what steve's suggestion was for these people who need our help :(
Susan, I'm perfectly certain it will come as no surprise to you to learn that I received no response from him ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Hi april I am surprised he did not tell you to send them all say to Scotland as I think he is from the North so he would not suggest that. Ha Ha Ha :)
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Hi april I am surprised he did not tell you to send them all say to Scotland as I think he is from the North so he would not suggest that. Ha Ha Ha :)
Susan, eventually, all the diverse personalities that we imagine Steve would relegate to Scotland, will spill over into England and we'll be back where we started ;D
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april I remember Mason Doyle asking steve what have the people of Scotland ever done to you. I think he had a bad bed & breakfast experience steve not Mason Doyle :) :) :)
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A few weeks ago I (tried) to have a discussion with Steve about how we could help those with mental health problems, who because of the nature of their illnesses, go walk about and find themselves homeless. We have dispensed with asylums, partly because of the stigma attached to them, but such places provided a refuge for those who were lost and vulnerable. There has been much talk of "Care in the Community". I haven't seen much evidence of it working in my own area. I feel it may be better for the vulnerable who are without homes and families to have somewhere they can call home, but sadly, many of us would not wish to have, close to our own homes, those whose behaviour may be unpredictable or volatile and however needy are refugees, and they obviously are or they wouldn't be here, their presence would be just as unwelcome. Will we ever get it right.
What a brilliant post April, I 100% agree - you brought tears to my eyes! :'(
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A few weeks ago I (tried) to have a discussion with Steve about how we could help those with mental health problems, who because of the nature of their illnesses, go walk about and find themselves homeless. We have dispensed with asylums, partly because of the stigma attached to them, but such places provided a refuge for those who were lost and vulnerable. There has been much talk of "Care in the Community". I haven't seen much evidence of it working in my own area. I feel it may be better for the vulnerable who are without homes and families to have somewhere they can call home, but sadly, many of us would not wish to have, close to our own homes, those whose behaviour may be unpredictable or volatile and however needy are refugees, and they obviously are or they wouldn't be here, their presence would be just as unwelcome. Will we ever get it right.
Hi April :)
I think we all have our own views on equality and diversity. I stand by my views and, that is that we are all equal in terms of being human-beings and therefore deserve the same opportunities equal to each other in life. We only live once and we must grab what we can, when we can. We don't get a second chance.
It would not matter to me who my neighbours were, or what colour they were, or what religion they supported, for they have and deserve equal rights in life.
I agree there is not enough done about the homeless of this Country and, each person has their own reasons for being homeless, for some it is their way of life. Each circumstance is unique; it could be alcohol, drugs, mental illness, instabilities to cope, loss of loved ones, the list could be endless. But, I feel we do give a great deal of help to those less fortunate than ourselves, but not enough. No onw should have to suffer the cold and sleep in shop doorways....not this day and age.
I know what you are saying about asylums and understand why they had to go. But we have shelters for the homeless, soup kitchens and every area in towns and cities have places where people can go for food parcels and of course we have homes for the mentally ill. I agree we don't have it right, but it is better than it was.... :) :) :) :)
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april I remember Mason Doyle asking steve what have the people of Scotland ever done to you. I think he had a bad bed & breakfast experience steve not Mason Doyle :) :) :)
It could only have happened to him, Susan.
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Hi Caroline I agree that was a brilliant post made by april. In this day and age nobody should be sleeping on the streets or living in sheds. Good houses are being demolished to make way for Developers to get rich quick. Disgraceful.
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Sadly,,you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear,,meaning that a person who's in the depths of mental health is beyond redemption really and is only then treatable by drugs. No quality of life whatsoever. Sheila wasn't yet in that category, but without knowing about such illnesses back then ( as now,really ) she too would have probably been housed in an institution of some sort for her own safety as well as that of others.
There's a home not far from me which houses an assortment of " patients ",who are visited and their behaviours kept under control . They are pleasant people in their own little world,and just now and again,the Tourettes man will kick off,but not a problem as folk are used to him. Another talks so much he doesn't stop for breath. These are the type of people that thrive in the community,but at the same time,they are regularly monitered. Not to my knowledge are there any schizophrenics living there. I do know that there used to be one a couple of years ago who'd murdered someone,but I don't know where he is now. It happened over a Christmas period. It was a random killing,and a bunch of flowers can be seen tied to a lamp-post each year.
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Caroline/Susan/Patti. One of the most powerful experiences of my life was the first time Malcolm took me to the London institute of which he was a fellow. This vast mausoleum of a place took up a whole block. As we walked down the side of it there was a young man and a dog asleep covered by a sleeping bag and newspapers, in one of the numerous side entrances. In side we went int the bar. A waiter who had been there forever, but whose name seemed not to be known, bought our drinks. I noticed the unused double doors beside our table. I couldn't get beyond the feeling that I was sitting in this grand room, drinking G&T, and just beyond those doors, there was a young man with nothing. I felt guilty. Malcolm's view was that it was the young man's choice to be homeless and I gave him every conceivable reason why it may not have been about choice.
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Caroline/Susan/Patti. One of the most powerful experiences of my life was the first time Malcolm took me to the London institute of which he was a fellow. This vast mausoleum of a place took up a whole block. As we walked down the side of it there was a young man and a dog asleep covered by a sleeping bag and newspapers, in one of the numerous side entrances. In side we went int the bar. A waiter who had been there forever, but whose name seemed not to be known, bought our drinks. I noticed the unused double doors beside our table. I couldn't get beyond the feeling that I was sitting in this grand room, drinking G&T, and just beyond those doors, there was a young man with nothing. I felt guilty. Malcolm's view was that it was the young man's choice to be homeless and I gave him every conceivable reason why it may not have been about choice.
Lovely April, I would have done the same as you. It is so easy for us to judge others sadly it is the way some of us have become...I'm alright jack, sod the rest...I hope I don't offend anyone by saying that.... :) :) :)
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Hi april that is so sad and even if it was the young man's own fault we still have to have compassion and humility towards him. Did you see the Busker on teli with his cat call Bob who was so clever. Book out now and a film is going to be made so him and Bob are made and he loves that cat so much he carries it around on his shoulder :)
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april I would have given him a £20 note on my way out. :( When I go to Edinburgh and see buskers with dogs I give money to them all and my son who is cynical tells me they only have dogs to pull on the heart strings of people like me but I don't agree they love their dogs as they look so well cared for.
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april I would have given him a £20 note on my way out. :( When I go to Edinburgh and see buskers with dogs I give money to them all and my son who is cynical tells me they only have dogs to pull on the heart strings of people like me but I don't agree they love their dogs as they look so well cared for.
Susan, that's what Malcolm said so maybe it's a "Man Thing" that stops them having to cope with difficult feelings. I told him that the owner might go without food, but the dog would always be fed.
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How about showing some respect for people who suffer from epilepsy and the massive impact this has on their lives.
It can be a very tough illness to live with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy
Petey, I doubt very much that that driver ever had epilepsay. Don't be so grouchy with this false concern about people with epilepsy.
And if you really want to know just how tough it is then just ask me about it instead of clicking onto wiki wonder world. Sometimes with epilepsy you can only get through the day if you have sense of humour. Lighten up for goodness sake and stop trying to be everyones conscience for a change.
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Petey, I doubt very much that that driver ever had epilepsay. Don't be so grouchy with this false concern about people with epilepsy.
And if you really want to know just how tough it is then just ask me about it instead of clicking onto wiki wonder world. Sometimes with epilepsy you can only get through the day if you have sense of humour. Lighten up for goodness sake and stop trying to be everyones conscience for a change.
False concern?
I've lived with epilepsy for 11 years so know exactly what its like so I don't appreciate 'humorous' posts relating to epilepsy
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I know. I wasn't having a go at you and sympathise with what happened to you. My comment was directed at Lugg who I think made a totally unnecessary post about making someone have an epileptic fit.
If he knew what it was like to live with epilepsy, perhaps he wouldn't be so quick to judge.
And if you also know you also would not be so quick to judge me. You know nothing about me and you know didly squat about epilepsy. So have a go at someone else for a change and also I advise you to get your fact right about people before trying to be their pet lawyer.
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False concern?
I've lived with epilepsy for 11 years so know exactly what its like so I don't appreciate 'humorous' posts relating to epilepsy
So have I so piss off. Get a life and stop living miner.
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So have I so piss off. Get a life and stop living miner.
I asked you not to make humorous posts about epilepsy. That is all
I'm certainly not trying to get into a 'who knows more about epilepsy' debate!
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Aww,don't upset yourself Lugg,it's not worth it,as you're a decent guy.
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I asked you not to make humorous posts about epilepsy. That is all
I'm certainly not trying to get into a 'who knows more about epilepsy' debate!
I'm sorry Petey. I'm in one of those moods to day. You may know about them? I apologise and will now log off for the rest of the day.
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Sometimes we have to be more mindful....
We are going off piste with this thread.....No I'm not a mod anymore..just saying! :) :) :)
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Patti think it would be more appropriate if you said this thread is taking the p**s :) :) :) Think the Mods are on the move :) I'm off :)
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Petey, I doubt very much that that driver ever had epilepsay. Don't be so grouchy with this false concern about people with epilepsy.
And if you really want to know just how tough it is then just ask me about it instead of clicking onto wiki wonder world. Sometimes with epilepsy you can only get through the day if you have sense of humour. Lighten up for goodness sake and stop trying to be everyones conscience for a change.
Lugg, I would never try to undermine how trying it must be to live with, but other than when he was coming out of seizure, my father, in his 80s retained a really naughty sense of humour regarding it. I took him out one day and as he got out of the car he said he couldn't remember if he'd had his meds. I told him not to worry, that what ever happened I would cope with. He responded with a grin and told me that I'd have to because he wouldn't know anything about it, would he................I'm smiling as I recall that day but feeling emotional as well.
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I asked you not to make humorous posts about epilepsy. That is all
I'm certainly not trying to get into a 'who knows more about epilepsy' debate!
Petey/Lugg. My heart aches for whoever is afflicted by it . There's no such thing as having it "better" than another person and I'm also certain that nobody would wish another to be worse.
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Hi Lugg I have never known you to be disrespectful to anyone with an illness or treat it as a joke you have far too much compassion in you for that. Things sometimes come over not as they were meant we are all guilty of it not just you.
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Petey/Lugg. My heart aches for whoever is afflicted by it . There's no such thing as having it "better" than another person and I'm also certain that nobody would wish another to be worse.
I have no intention of getting into an argument with anyone relating to this. I have suffered with epilepsy since 2001 which has had a massive impact on my life.
My epilepsy is controlled by medication and I have not had a grand mal seizure for many years. However, having epilepsy continues to have an impact on my family, working and sporting life, so I am less tolerant of 'jokes' or 'humourous' comments made about epilepsy as I am well aware of the devestating effect it can have on sufferers and their close family.
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I have no intention of getting into an argument with anyone relating to this. I have suffered with epilepsy since 2001 which has had a massive impact on my life.
My epilepsy is controlled by medication and I have not had a grand mal seizure for many years. However, having epilepsy continues to have an impact on my family, working and sporting life, so I am less tolerant of 'jokes' or 'humourous' comments made about epilepsy as I am well aware of the devestating effect it can have on sufferers and their close family.
Petey, I feel certain this is not something you would willingly have revealed had the conversation not gone the way it had and I don't imagine it was easy. My mother, close to 80, lived in terror of it happening. Coping with her terror was infinitely worse than coping with my father's epilepsy. She never knew it had been a stroke which had caused it. I couldn't trust her to keep it from him and it would have totally devasted him. He was able cope by means of black humour and I would never have taken that coping mechanism from him.
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Patti think it would be more appropriate if you said this thread is taking the p**s :) :) :) Think the Mods are on the move :) I'm off :)
I am so sorry if i offended anyone with this thread it was not intended to take any p??s, it was intended to get a debate about the people who take the p??s out the system.
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I am so sorry if i offended anyone with this thread it was not intended to take any p??s, it was intended to get a debate about the people who take the p??s out the system.
No way have you offended anyone Ralph. I don't think it was anyones intention to offend anyone. You are a gentleman. :) :) :) :)
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Ralph you have always been one of my favourite's think that Patti is trying to steal you from me. You could not offend if you tried my good friend :)
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No way have you offended anyone Ralph. I don't think it was anyones intention to offend anyone. You are a gentleman. :) :) :) :)
Well done, Patti. I was just about to say exactly that. ;D ;D ;D
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P.S.I don't know Ralph anyway.
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Ralph you have always been one of my favourite's think that Patti is trying to steal you from me. You could not offend if you tried my good friend :)
Thanks susan and patti but i think this legal aid has gone to far. Legal aid isn’t the sort of thing people worry much about losing. Unlike schools or the NHS, it’s not a part of the welfare state many of us have had dealings with. The sort of people who use legal aid aren’t always very sympathetic: they’ve often done something wrong or foolish or both. The lawyers who represent them seem to be looking after number one. The system isn’t very old, but insiders talk about it in a combination of ancient-sounding phrases and arcane technical language. Yet legal aid deserves attention, not least because it’s one of the fastest growing areas of government expenditure, and so an irresistible target for deficit reduction.
The state spends £2.2 billion a year on lawyers to give advice to and represent people in legal cases:
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Thanks susan and patti but i think this legal aid has gone to far. Legal aid isn’t the sort of thing people worry much about losing. Unlike schools or the NHS, it’s not a part of the welfare state many of us have had dealings with. The sort of people who use legal aid aren’t always very sympathetic: they’ve often done something wrong or foolish or both. The lawyers who represent them seem to be looking after number one. The system isn’t very old, but insiders talk about it in a combination of ancient-sounding phrases and arcane technical language. Yet legal aid deserves attention, not least because it’s one of the fastest growing areas of government expenditure, and so an irresistible target for deficit reduction.
The state spends £2.2 billion a year on lawyers to give advice to and represent people in legal cases:
The government also plans to move the financial goalposts: at the moment, legal aid is means-tested and available only to people who are on benefits or who earn less than around £17,000 a year: i.e.
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Hi Ralph I posted on the wrong thread and apologised I would never make light of such a serious subject. I was having a laugh about NN and her North South divide which is so funny with the things she comes out with quite the little joker but we love her :) :) :)
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Legal aid is a vital part of our justice system and it should be strongly defended. Over the past 20 years it has come increasingly under attack, denying justice to many.
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Thanks susan and patti but i think this legal aid has gone to far. Legal aid isn’t the sort of thing people worry much about losing. Unlike schools or the NHS, it’s not a part of the welfare state many of us have had dealings with. The sort of people who use legal aid aren’t always very sympathetic: they’ve often done something wrong or foolish or both. The lawyers who represent them seem to be looking after number one. The system isn’t very old, but insiders talk about it in a combination of ancient-sounding phrases and arcane technical language. Yet legal aid deserves attention, not least because it’s one of the fastest growing areas of government expenditure, and so an irresistible target for deficit reduction.
The state spends £2.2 billion a year on lawyers to give advice to and represent people in legal cases:
Wasn't legal aid given to the son of the millionaire who fell from a luxury yacht and never seen again? Maxwell???
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Legal aid is a vital part of our justice system and it should be strongly defended. Over the past 20 years it has come increasingly under attack, denying justice to many.
I agree there,ngb.
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Wasn't legal aid given to the son of the millionaire who fell from a luxury yacht and never seen again? Maxwell???
Yes, and quite rightly so.
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What you can get legal aid for
You can get legal aid for problems like:
being arrested, questioned or charged by the police
debt - eg if you’re visited by bailiffs
housing - eg if you’re being evicted
employment - eg unfair dismissal
family issues - eg divorce or separation
benefit payments - eg problems claiming Employment and Support Allowance
education - eg disagreeing with a special educational needs decision about your child
You may be able to get legal aid for other problems - speak to a legal adviser for more information.
What you can’t get legal aid for
You don’t usually get legal aid for:
a personal injury
a boundary dispute
libel or slander
representation at an employment tribunal
making a will (unless you’re over 70, disabled or have a disabled child)
It looks to me like you can get help for legal disputes but not civil disputes but there are advice centres who'll help you if you need help for the cases not listed and some solicitors will do some work on a pro bona rate if you ask enough of them ;D
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The government also plans to move the financial goalposts: at the moment, legal aid is means-tested and available only to people who are on benefits or who earn less than around £17,000 a year: i.e.
If you can’t get any help, you can always represent yourself or you could just drop your case.
This is sadly what my brother had to do
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Legal aid is a vital part of our justice system and it should be strongly defended. Over the past 20 years it has come increasingly under attack, denying justice to many.
I have to agree with you neil but there are people who take the micky and it is these people who will have it stopped for the people in need?
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Legal aid is a vital part of our justice system and it should be strongly defended. Over the past 20 years it has come increasingly under attack, denying justice to many.
Usually people who work but don't earn a great deal or who don't have a lot of money left when they've paid the bills.
You could represent yourself if you have the courage of your convictions and think you have a good case but it's not always an easy ride.
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Usually people who work but don't earn a great deal or who don't have a lot of money left when they've paid the bills.
You could represent yourself if you have the courage of your convictions and think you have a good case but it's not always an easy ride.
You forgot to mention joanne people who want to cause havoc in your country abu hamza The father-of-eight has left the UK with an estimated £3million bill in legal fees
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I'd like to know how much per hour the lawyers are charging. Haven't they reduced the fees now to the lawyers working on the legal aid budget? Maybe Petey can explain.
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I'd like to know how much per hour the lawyers are charging. Haven't they reduced the fees now to the lawyers working on the legal aid budget? Maybe Petey can explain.
I'm told they charge nearly as much those garages with service areas run like private hospitals ;D
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I'd like to know how much per hour the lawyers are charging. Haven't they reduced the fees now to the lawyers working on the legal aid budget? Maybe Petey can explain.
Ive never had clients who use legal aid as have worked mainly in corporate / commercial. I used to charge £325 / hr if that helps.
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There's a bit about it here:http://www.justice-for-all.org.uk/News/Legal-aid-cuts-to-hit-in-April-2013
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Wasn't legal aid given to the son of the millionaire who fell from a luxury yacht and never seen again? Maxwell???
Robert Maxwell? His body was recovered.