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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2012, 12:20:PM »

My father developed epilepsy after a minor stroke. I felt he should no longer drive and spoke with his doctor who told me that the chances were negligable of anyone having a fit whilst driving. He said fits are more likely to occur when a person is in a relaxed state.
How unlucky my sister inlaw was then? To this day my brother or his wife never hold or held a grudge against the driver even playing football with her son in the same team. But if we look back at the argument if he had been some terrorist or illegal immigrant or someone who did not work or someone in jail he would have got all the help he wanted .Legal aid should be given once and once only to any criminal .
 
why should we give benefits to people who commit crimes while unemployed and then ask us to defend them .
So you see the gripe is not with the driver its with the system


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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2012, 12:22:PM »
How about showing some respect for people who suffer from epilepsy and the massive impact this has on their lives.

It can be a very tough illness to live with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy
Pete can i stress the gripe or moan was or is not about the driver or epilepsy, i feel for anyone who has it, its the system thats at fault?

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2012, 12:26:PM »
Pete can i stress the gripe or moan was or is not about the driver or epilepsy, i feel for anyone who has it, its the system thats at fault?

I know. I wasn't having a go at you and sympathise with what happened to you. My comment was directed at Lugg who I think made a totally unnecessary post about making someone have an epileptic fit.

If he knew what it was like to live with epilepsy, perhaps he wouldn't be so quick to judge.

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2012, 12:27:PM »
How sad that was patti really hope everything goes ok. Thanks for the advice patti but my brother has had enough of lawyers and barristers trust me i wouldnt dare go back with anything else.

Hi Ralph

You see it was not your sister in law's fault, nor was it the drivers fault. She could not have foreseen she would have had an epileptic seizure for the first time.  It was an accident all said and done and it must have been difficult to lay the blame on the driver.  But, laws have changed like I mentioned with the case of my Grandson.  It would be not be fair to have taken the woman to court at the time, she was not speeding and she could not foresee that a child would run out into the road.....This is why we are going for compensation through government channels, because it is more of a fair option...     :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2012, 12:34:PM »
How unlucky my sister inlaw was then? To this day my brother or his wife never hold or held a grudge against the driver even playing football with her son in the same team. But if we look back at the argument if he had been some terrorist or illegal immigrant or someone who did not work or someone in jail he would have got all the help he wanted .Legal aid should be given once and once only to any criminal .
 
why should we give benefits to people who commit crimes while unemployed and then ask us to defend them .
So you see the gripe is not with the driver its with the system


Ralph, I couldn't agree more. I never run on about immigrants taking "our" jobs and houses. Our present law allows this to happen so the people aren't to blame, the system is. Illegal is something different but I can only imagine how dreadful life must be in their countries of origin for those willing to risk their lives by clinging to the underside of lorries to get here. However bad we believe it to have become, it seems that, for some, the streets of England are paved with gold.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2012, 12:42:PM »
Sorry, but I disagree regarding immigrants and refugee's these are human beings and as so have to be treated like so. 

A refugee is what he/she is and that is someone who is fleeing from their Country because of conflict. An Immigrant can apply to live hear and is not always here illegally.  I personally do not think that they have better treatment at all.  When you look at our own back yard, it tells you the real story!  :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2012, 12:45:PM »
You cannot generalise when SEIZURES are more likely to happen as there are so many different types of epilepsy and different people have different trigger factors.

If your father developed epilepsy then you cannot drive within 12 months of having a seizure.


Petey, by the time I'd finished researchinh SEIZURES and their causes, I probably knew as much as the neurologist. Thankfully, whether or not my father should drive is no longer an issue, he died in 1993.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2012, 12:49:PM »
Sorry, but I disagree regarding immigrants and refugee's these are human beings and as so have to be treated like so. 

A refugee is what he/she is and that is someone who is fleeing from their Country because of conflict. An Immigrant can apply to live hear and is not always here illegally.  I personally do not think that they have better treatment at all.  When you look at our own back yard, it tells you the real story!  :) :) :) :)
Sorry but my brother who has worked really hard all his life was treated different and people who comit crimes and never work do get treated better i will retract the immigrant and refugee for you patti dear.

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2012, 12:52:PM »
Sorry but my brother who has worked really hard all his life was treated different and people who comit crimes and never work do get treated better i will retract the immigrant and refugee for you patti dear.

Bless!.....No need to do that Ralph, we have all have opinions and, you are a lovely trusted friend... :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2012, 12:52:PM »
You cannot generalise when SEIZURES are more likely to happen as there are so many different types of epilepsy and different people have different trigger factors.

If your father developed epilepsy then you cannot drive within 12 months of having a seizure.

My brother suffers from grand mal seizures (or tonic-clonic type). He is not allowed a licence at all. I also had a dog that suffered from the same kind of seizures - heartbreaking to watch!

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2012, 12:55:PM »
Bless!.....No need to do that Ralph, we have all have opinions and, you are a lovely trusted friend... :) :) :) :)
You to patti, wifes at crystal this morning i think to buy my prezzie?

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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2012, 12:58:PM »
You to patti, wifes at crystal this morning i think to buy my prezzie?

Ohoooooooo lucky you! I was there on Thursday, it was buzzing and found it difficult to get a parking space,   place will be swimming with folk today...I wonder what socks she will buy you....lol  :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2012, 12:59:PM »
My brother suffers from grand mal seizures (or tonic-clonic type). He is not allowed a licence at all. I also had a dog that suffered from the same kind of seizures - heartbreaking to watch!
How sad caroline, sometimes we are so lucky to have good health that we take for granted.

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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2012, 01:01:PM »
Ohoooooooo lucky you! I was there on Thursday, it was buzzing and found it difficult to get a parking space,   place will be swimming with folk today...I wonder what socks she will buy you....lol  :) :) :) :)
Thermal i hope lol she phoned and said its not busy

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2012, 01:18:PM »
Sorry, but I disagree regarding immigrants and refugee's these are human beings and as so have to be treated like so. 

A refugee is what he/she is and that is someone who is fleeing from their Country because of conflict. An Immigrant can apply to live hear and is not always here illegally.  I personally do not think that they have better treatment at all.  When you look at our own back yard, it tells you the real story!  :) :) :) :)


A few weeks ago I (tried) to have a discussion with Steve about how we could help those with mental health problems, who because of the nature of their illnesses, go walk about and find themselves homeless. We have dispensed with asylums, partly because of the stigma attached to them, but such places provided a refuge for those who were lost and vulnerable. There has been much talk of "Care in the Community". I haven't seen much evidence of it working in my own area. I feel it may be better for the vulnerable who are without homes and families to have somewhere they can call home, but sadly, many of us would not wish to have, close to our own homes, those whose behaviour may be unpredictable or volatile and however needy are refugees, and they obviously are or they wouldn't be here, their presence would be just as unwelcome. Will we ever get it right.