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OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: David1819 on October 02, 2025, 02:25:PM
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As far as we know, two people stabbed to death. Attacker shot by police.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/2/uk-police-shoot-man-suspected-of-stabbing-at-manchester (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/2/uk-police-shoot-man-suspected-of-stabbing-at-manchester)
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As far as we know, two people stabbed to death. Attacker shot by police.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/2/uk-police-shoot-man-suspected-of-stabbing-at-manchester (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/2/uk-police-shoot-man-suspected-of-stabbing-at-manchester)
Wont be long till some start claiming MI5/Mossad was behind it all. ::)
Whether it be stabbing people, blowing themselves up on a train or flying airplanes into buildings. Those who support the Palestinian cause can never possibly be behind it (even if when they admit cuplability) ::) 🤡
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Start a thread on the Synagogue attack, David, instead of derailing the thread about the genocide being committed by the Zionist colonisers.
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As far as we know, two people stabbed to death. Attacker shot by police.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/2/uk-police-shoot-man-suspected-of-stabbing-at-manchester (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/2/uk-police-shoot-man-suspected-of-stabbing-at-manchester)
Not surprised at all David, I visited Manchester this year, a real let down and no one seemed to speak English, it’s a hotbed for extremism.
A FORMER spy chief has suggested there are more terrorist suspects operating in Manchester than in London.
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Not surprised at all David, I visited Manchester this year, a real let down and no one seemed to speak English, it’s a hotbed for extremism.
A FORMER spy chief has suggested there are more terrorist suspects operating in Manchester than in London.
More unsurprising developments -
The attacker was from Syria and currently out on bail for alleged rape. His father had praised the October 7th massacre.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-family-condemn-heinous-act/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-family-condemn-heinous-act/)
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Start a thread on the Synagogue attack, David, instead of derailing the thread about the genocide being committed by the Zionist colonisers.
I have split the posts into this new thread.
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More unsurprising developments -
The attacker was from Syria and currently out on bail for alleged rape. His father had praised the October 7th massacre.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-family-condemn-heinous-act/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-family-condemn-heinous-act/)
knew he was from Syria but didn’t know about the Rape allegation. It’s unbelievable David, this Country is in trouble mate, the boats are bringing more of this type into our Country, the Tories and Labour have a lot to answer for.
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Wont be long till some start claiming MI5/Mossad was behind it all. ::)
Whether it be stabbing people, blowing themselves up on a train or flying airplanes into buildings. Those who support the Palestinian cause can never possibly be behind it (even if when they admit cuplability) ::) 🤡
Yes, of course, because there has never been any deception carried out before. Nobody has any new identities in a new location. It's preposterous to consider that a patsy could be set up, or that ex-military could dress up as police officers or paramedics.
I don't believe in anti-Semitism. I think it's historic. This incident doesn't serve anyone except those with a pro-Israel agenda and anti-Gaza protest agenda.
Now I should clarify - it is possible that an extremist wanted to kill some Jewish people because of what's been going on the the ME. That isn't taken off the table at all. It could be argued that such a person is anti-Semitic. It doesn't prove claims that anti-semitism is on the rise. I don't think it is.
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Wont be long till some start claiming MI5/Mossad was behind it all. ::)
Whether it be stabbing people, blowing themselves up on a train or flying airplanes into buildings. Those who support the Palestinian cause can never possibly be behind it (even if when they admit cuplability) ::) 🤡
It's a tiny minority, but the havoc they cause is disproportionate to their numbers, a Fifth Column in the UK, Germany and Sweden, to name but three countries.
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Start a thread on the Synagogue attack, David, instead of derailing the thread about the genocide being committed by the Zionist colonisers.
There's no link between British Jews attending worship in England and events in Gaza. You might as well blame all Muslims for the 9/11 atrocity.
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Start a thread on the Synagogue attack, David, instead of derailing the thread about the genocide being committed by the Zionist colonisers.
At least the issue is out in the open. You might as well be the terrorist guy's dad:
The father of the Manchester synagogue attacker praised the Oct 7 Hamas terrorists as “Allah’s men on earth”.
Faraj al-Shamie posted on Facebook his own support for the invasion of Israel in which 1,200 people were killed and about 250 civilians and soldiers taken hostage.
Mr Shamie, a trauma surgeon who lived in council housing in Britain, said in his post on the day of the attack that the Hamas terrorists who had infiltrated the Jewish state on motorbikes and paragliders had “proved beyond a shadow of a doubt” that Israel would be destroyed eventually.
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At least the issue is out in the open. You might as well be the terrorist guy's dad:
The father of the Manchester synagogue attacker praised the Oct 7 Hamas terrorists as “Allah’s men on earth”.
Faraj al-Shamie posted on Facebook his own support for the invasion of Israel in which 1,200 people were killed and about 250 civilians and soldiers taken hostage.
Mr Shamie, a trauma surgeon who lived in council housing in Britain, said in his post on the day of the attack that the Hamas terrorists who had infiltrated the Jewish state on motorbikes and paragliders had “proved beyond a shadow of a doubt” that Israel would be destroyed eventually[/b].
It needs to be destroyed in its current form. Israel needs regime change far more than Iran does.
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Yes, of course, because there has never been any deception carried out before. Nobody has any new identities in a new location. It's preposterous to consider that a patsy could be set up, or that ex-military could dress up as police officers or paramedics.
I don't believe in anti-Semitism. I think it's historic. This incident doesn't serve anyone except those with a pro-Israel agenda and anti-Gaza protest agenda.
Now I should clarify - it is possible that an extremist wanted to kill some Jewish people because of what's been going on the the ME. That isn't taken off the table at all. It could be argued that such a person is anti-Semitic. It doesn't prove claims that anti-semitism is on the rise. I don't think it is.
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Here we go
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I have split the posts into this new thread.
Its in the wrong section.
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Not surprised at all David, I visited Manchester this year, a real let down and no one seemed to speak English, it’s a hotbed for extremism.
A FORMER spy chief has suggested there are more terrorist suspects operating in Manchester than in London.
I don't know which areas you visited, but it's a city divided. Whalley Range, Crumpsall, Audenshaw, Wythenshawe I wouldn't walk round at night. But you don't have to travel very far to see the large detached houses of Didsbury, Altrincham, Wilmslow, Alderley Edge. Even parts of Stretford and Urmston are gentrified, and Salford is another success story, given Hazel Blears had the ear of ministers with government money pumped into her constituency.
Notwithstanding, sad to say, if you import Third World citizens, who haven't been educated in British schools and don't understand how society works you are going to encounter Third World problems and grievances.
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It needs to be destroyed in its current form. Israel needs regime change far more than Iran does.
You can't give Hamas a role in Gaza. They will just regroup and pounce in a few years' time. Mahmoud Abbas is frightened of holding elections in the West Bank. It's a complete mess.
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Here we go
Yes, like I said. There has never been any deception has there?
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You can't give Hamas a role in Gaza. They will just regroup and pounce in a few years' time. Mahmoud Abbas is frightened of holding elections in the West Bank. It's a complete mess.
Leave it to Tony Blair ;D
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The attack hasn't done Labour any favours: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PF359AoIfZc?feature=share
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is it a complete coincedence that this happend just as there planing to bring out digetal id
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The attack hasn't done Labour any favours: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PF359AoIfZc?feature=share
Does anybody work at all up there Steve, all you ever see or do in Manchester is go out protesting, the miners got slagged for picketing, yet it’s the norm in your city centre for riots and murders and protests. It’s time you found them a job to do.
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Does anybody work at all up there Steve, all you ever see or do in Manchester is go out protesting, the miners got slagged for picketing, yet it’s the norm in your city centre for riots and murders and protests. It’s time you found them a job to do.
Well, the buses have filled up with immigrants. It's no wonder the bus drivers have gone on strike; they must be stressed out. As far as unemployment is concerned, the government has fiddled the figures by shoving thousands onto PIP, so they don't show up in the official statistics.
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is it a complete coincedence that this happend just as there planing to bring out digetal id
His father worked in the NHS. It was the kind of immigrant we needed, or so we thought. I'm unhappy with giving them a British passport. It means if they commit a crime or spread hate speech we can't deport them back to the country of origin.
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a lot more to come out about this i think
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Its in the wrong section.
Where should it be?
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a bit from og https://off-guardian.org/2025/10/03/lets-talk-about-the-manchester-synagogue-attack/
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a lot more to come out about this i think
Police believe that Al-Shamie may have been influenced by "extreme Islamist ideology" and said three more people, between 18 and mid-40s, had been arrested on suspicion of commission, preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism.
Oh yes there’s more to come, about 1000 a week crossing the channel.
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More unsurprising developments -
The attacker was from Syria and currently out on bail for alleged rape. His father had praised the October 7th massacre.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-family-condemn-heinous-act/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/03/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-family-condemn-heinous-act/)
I think there’s been more arrests with connections to him?
This country is in a mess David, and it will only get worse. The people coming here are not prepared to integrate into our society. There’s more to come.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15161175/Rapist-married-girl-sharia-law-ceremony-jailed-seven-grooming-gang-members.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/01/rochdale-manchester-grooming-girls-sex-slaves-court
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So are we to assume that because he was on a rape charge, he had nothing to lose, and therefore decided to try and martyr himself? Killing mild mannered Jewish civilians is not exactly martyrdom. So, were his actions out of the blue and unknown to any of the relevant services - or was he offered a martyrs way out?
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So are we to assume that because he was on a rape charge, he had nothing to lose, and therefore decided to try and martyr himself? Killing mild mannered Jewish civilians is not exactly martyrdom. So, were his actions out of the blue and unknown to any of the relevant services - or was he offered a martyrs way out?
The Police are calling him a Terrorist Roch, so we can only assume at this stage it is terrorist related, three more arrests have been made in connection with this, so at the moment I don’t think it was a Spur of the moment?
Manchester synagogue terrorist was on bail for alleged rape
https://news.sky.com/story/synagogue-stabbing-latest-police-at-scene-of-reported-attack-in-manchester-13442674
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So are we to assume that because he was on a rape charge, he had nothing to lose, and therefore decided to try and martyr himself? Killing mild mannered Jewish civilians is not exactly martyrdom. So, were his actions out of the blue and unknown to any of the relevant services - or was he offered a martyrs way out?
Sometimes you have to call it what it is Roch, make no mistake Roch there are a lot of Islamic terrorists in this Country, most are lone individuals indoctrinated online, I’m sorry we cannot hide from it to please others. The likes of Tony Blair and Bush have made it worse for the Western Countries and civilisations I’m afraid.
Unless we start to speak about it and call it for what it is, it will only get worse Roch, it’s never going away, we cannot sweep it under the Carpet like the Grooming Gangs of Rotherham and Rochdale have been.
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Sometimes you have to call it what it is Roch, make no mistake Roch there are a lot of Islamic terrorists in this Country, most are lone individuals indoctrinated online, I’m sorry we cannot hide from it to please others. The likes of Tony Blair and Bush have made it worse for the Western Countries and civilisations I’m afraid.
Unless we start to speak about it and call it for what it is, it will only get worse Roch, it’s never going away, we cannot sweep it under the Carpet like the Grooming Gangs of Rotherham and Rochdale have been.
Police on Saturday were questioning six people arrested on suspicion of terror offenses after an attack on a synagogue in northwest England that left two men dead and Britain’s Jewish community shocked and grieving.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/police-question-6-suspects-deadly-manchester-synagogue-attack-126210297
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MARCH FURY Pro-Palestine ‘hate marches’ go ahead as protesters gather in London & Manchester despite fury after synagogue attack. The Metropolitan Police confirmed it had already arrested six people over a Palestine Action banner
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MARCH FURY Pro-Palestine ‘hate marches’ go ahead as protesters gather in London & Manchester despite fury after synagogue attack. The Metropolitan Police confirmed it had already arrested six people over a Palestine Action banner
How is it a hate march - hate against who exactly?
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how is it a hate march hate agianst who exactly
I agree these are not hate marches. It is quite right that they continue until the genocide in Gaza has stopped.
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So are we to assume that because he was on a rape charge, he had nothing to lose, and therefore decided to try and martyr himself? Killing mild mannered Jewish civilians is not exactly martyrdom. So, were his actions out of the blue and unknown to any of the relevant services - or was he offered a martyrs way out?
And conveniently he was shot dead so he can never face trial.
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Wont be long till some start claiming MI5/Mossad was behind it all. ::)
Whether it be stabbing people, blowing themselves up on a train or flying airplanes into buildings. Those who support the Palestinian cause can never possibly be behind it (even if when they admit cuplability) ::) 🤡
How right you are David 😂😂
Barrister is reported to Bar Council over video claiming Israeli government was behind Manchester synagogue attack - and that they are plotting to assassinate King Charles
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15161985/Barrister-claims-Israeli-government-Manchester-synagogue-attack.html
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Wont be long till some start claiming MI5/Mossad was behind it all. ::)
Whether it be stabbing people, blowing themselves up on a train or flying airplanes into buildings. Those who support the Palestinian cause can never possibly be behind it (even if when they admit cuplability) ::) 🤡
becouse they probely are behind it all
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How right you are David 😂😂
Barrister is reported to Bar Council over video claiming Israeli government was behind Manchester synagogue attack - and that they are plotting to assassinate King Charles
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15161985/Barrister-claims-Israeli-government-Manchester-synagogue-attack.html
a bit pointless reporting him i doubt that will be the onlu video saying it
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his father posted about the atack 5 dayd before it happend https://youtu.be/AiQs_bIL12I
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How is it a hate march - hate against who exactly?
I don’t know ask Aaron Newbury from the Express why he calls them hate Marches? Quite a lot are coming out and calling them Hate Marches, I have sympathy with those arrested holding signs for support Palestine action, they to me are not Terrorists but they will carry that label for the rest of their lives once arrested?
Sadiq Khan told to ban hate marches in London following Manchester terror attack,
If we want to stop the growing hate and division in our society, the protest marches must stop. All they are doing is stirring up hate and costing the police and the taxpayer millions to manage, which then reduces resources in our community,” said Louie French MP.
Susan Hall AM, reacting to a pro-Palestine protest outside Downing Street the last night, said: “This should not be allowed. London is lost.” She added: “These hate marches should be banned. Keir Starmer, Sadiq Khan, enough is enough.”
I agree with freedom of speech and the right to protest, but it’s costing an awful amount of Police resources now with 442 arrested today and fighting crime in the capital is now losing out. Probably Starmer has caused this by prescribing them as Terrorists so the Police have no choice.
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a bit pointless reporting him i doubt that will be the onlu video saying it
It was a Pun intended for David and his correct assumption that someone would call it that way that’s all.
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How is it a hate march - hate against who exactly?
It's disrespectful at this time when people are mourning their dead, whatever their religion. Of course there's hatred involved by some. Islam is a nasty religion.
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I agree these are not hate marches. It is quite right that they continue until the genocide in Gaza has stopped.
I'm surprised to say the least that as a retired barrister you do not advocate adhering to the law of the land.
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I'm surprised to say the least that as a retired barrister you do not advocate adhering to the law of the land.
the law of the land says your allowed to peacefuly protest
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And conveniently he was shot dead so he can never face trial.
He was shot dead when a officer had to make that decision in a split second to shoot him, he was wearing what he thought was a suicide vest, the officer made the correct call and should be commended for his action.
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the law of the land says your allowed to peacefuly protest
Yes, and that's why the march wasn't banned. But of course there is a contingent bent on hate. Why do you think some people tore down posters of the hostages taken on October 7 2023?
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He was shot dead when a officer had to make that decision in a split second to shoot him, he was wearing what he thought was a suicide vest, the officer made the correct call and should be commended for his action.
Yes, and he will have to live with that decision for the rest of his life. What a lot of nonsense being spouted on this thread.
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It's disrespectful at this time when people are mourning their dead, whatever their religion. Of course there's hatred involved by some. Islam is a nasty religion.
how is it disrespectull there protest has nothing to do with the event isreal and jews are not the same thing there will be a lot of jews at that protest
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the law of the land says your allowed to peacefuly protest
I agree, but 442 today we’re holding up placards supporting a terrorists organisation according to the Law of the Land in this Country.
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how is it disrespectull there protest has nothing to do with the event isreal and jews are not the same thing there will be a lot of jews at that protest
They could have postponed it at least as a mark of respect. Didn't they also demonstrate on Remembrance Sunday? Many demonstrators have neither sense of decorum nor bond with Britain's history and traditions.
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I'm surprised to say the least that as a retired barrister you do not advocate adhering to the law of the land.
If law is manifestly unjust it is right to oppose it. I applaud the courage of those risking arrest. It is in the interests of all of us that they defy this dreadful law passed by this appalling government.
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how is it disrespectull there protest has nothing to do with the event isreal and jews are not the same thing there will be a lot of jews at that protest
That is absolutely right nugnug.
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I agree, but 442 today we’re holding up placards supporting a terrorists organisation according to the Law of the Land in this Country.
But it is not a terrorist organisation and the law relating to this needs to be challenged and changed.
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They could have postponed it at least as a mark of respect. Didn't they also demonstrate on Remembrance Sunday? Many demonstrators have neither sense of decorum nor bond with Britain's history and traditions.
Postponing would not have shown respect to the many tens of thousands of recent victims of Israeli war crimes. We owe it to them to continue demonstrating on their behalf. Many Jews agree.
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But it is not a terrorist organisation and the law relating to this needs to be challenged and changed.
They could hold up a placard with "I support Palestine" and not be arrested. The fact that they have chosen a banner depicting their support for Palestine Action suggests to me the ulterior motive of causing trouble.
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Postponing would not have shown respect to the many tens of thousands of recent victims of Israeli war crimes. We owe it to them to continue demonstrating on their behalf. Many Jews agree.
Well, I hope the diaspora Jews composing part of the 16 million faced with over 2 billion Muslims can see the writing on the wall, to quote the book of Daniel 5:5-29.
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Well, I hope the diaspora Jews composing part of the 16 million faced with over 2 billion Muslims can see the writing on the wall, to quote the book of Daniel 5:5-29.
They are not "faced with" 2 billion Muslims, any more than we are "faced with" 16 million Jews.
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They are not "faced with" 2 billion Muslims, any more than we are "faced with" 16 million Jews.
Have you seen the map of modern-day Israel lately, ngb1066? Truncated by Gaza and the West Bank and attacked by eight sets of enemy states? How do you think they have fought off enemies since 1948?
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They could hold up a placard with "I support Palestine" and not be arrested. The fact that they have chosen a banner depicting their support for Palestine Action suggests to me the ulterior motive of causing trouble.
Palestine Action are not regarded as a terror group by right thinking people and as already stated by ngb, it is our duty to oppose unjust laws. It is perfectly possible to oppose all that Palestine Action stand for but designating them a terrorist organisation opens all activist/protest groups open to the same designation. It is tyrannical and something only a police state would do.
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Palestine Action are not regarded as a terror group by right thinking people and as already stated by ngb, it is our duty to oppose unjust laws. It is perfectly possible to oppose all that Palestine Action stand for but designating them a terrorist organisation opens all activist/protest groups open to the same designation. It is tyrannical and something only a police state would do.
Didn't they interfere with a British air force base?
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But it is not a terrorist organisation and the law relating to this needs to be challenged and changed.
I agree, but because they’ve prescribed as one, holding the supportive placards is a criminal offence, so then it becomes an unlawful protest according to the Law of this Country? how they deal with the 1000+ that’s been arrested is anyone’s guess, I think as of yet 138 have actually been charged NGB
What’s your view on what the sentencing might be if they are convicted NGB, or do you think they will win their cases, which would be a very bad body blow for this Government?
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I agree, but because they’ve prescribed as one, holding the supportive placards is a criminal offence, so then it becomes an unlawful protest according to the Law of this Country? how they deal with the 1000+ that’s been arrested is anyone’s guess, I think as of yet 138 have actually been charged NGB
What’s your view on what the sentencing might be if they are convicted NGB, or do you think they will win their cases, which would be a very bad body blow for this Government?
I hope they win their cases, but there is no certainty about that. Sentences are likely to be lenient because those charged have not been violent or threatening and have not damaged anything. They have not incited others to violence. I suspect there may be fines or even conditional discharges. A lot depends upon the individual magistrate or judge. The courts will get clogged with these cases. Part of the action is to persuade the police not to act. The police have a discretion. Most offences are effectively ignored. A courageous Chief Constable or the Commissioner could say that resources are not going to be allocated to intervene in demonstrations which are not violent or threatening.
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I hope they win their cases, but there is no certainty about that. Sentences are likely to be lenient because those charged have not been violent or threatening and have not damaged anything. They have not incited others to violence. I suspect there may be fines or even conditional discharges. A lot depends upon the individual magistrate or judge. The courts will get clogged with these cases. Part of the action is to persuade the police not to act. The police have a discretion. Most offences are effectively ignored. A courageous Chief Constable or the Commissioner could say that resources are not going to be allocated to intervene in demonstrations which are not violent or threatening.
In other words a lily-livered Chief Constable MIGHT BE intimidated by sheer force of numbers. I'm surprised the demonstrators weren't chaperoned to their destination as in the case of the Epping Forest mob.
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In other words a lily-livered Chief Constable MIGHT BE intimidated by sheer force of numbers. I'm surprised the demonstrators weren't chaperoned to their destination as in the case of the Epping Forest mob.
There is no suggestion that the police should be intimidated. They could decide for operational reasons that their resources should be allocated elsewhere. They are currently being coerced by our apalling "Labour" government into acting in their percieved political interests.
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He was shot dead when a officer had to make that decision in a split second to shoot him, he was wearing what he thought was a suicide vest, the officer made the correct call and should be commended for his action.
he also shot 2 totally innocent people
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he also shot 2 totally innocent people
How do you know He shot two others, have they said it was the same police officer? They were shot behind a closed door, the police had no idea they were there sadly.
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There is no suggestion that the police should be intimidated. They could decide for operational reasons that their resources should be allocated elsewhere. They are currently being coerced by our apalling "Labour" government into acting in their percieved political interests.
I agree, Starmer has made a rod for his own back, the same way he has encouraged the Police to clamp down on freedom of speech.
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I agree, Starmer has made a rod for his own back, the same way he has encouraged the Police to clamp down on freedom of speech.
The misuse of so called anti terrorism legislation has been a hallmark of this government. There are more repressive powers and curtailment of basic rights through this than ever happened in the UK, even during times of war.
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The misuse of so called anti terrorism legislation has been a hallmark of this government. There are more repressive powers and curtailment of basic rights through this than ever happened in the UK, even during times of war.
Enough is enough’ says chief of Police Federation as ‘exhausted’ officers arrest 493 at Palestine Action protest.
The Police are in a no win situation NGB,
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/enough-enough-says-chief-police-174004593.html
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Enough is enough’ says chief of Police Federation as ‘exhausted’ officers arrest 493 at Palestine Action protest.
The Police are in a no win situation NGB,
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/enough-enough-says-chief-police-174004593.html
My own personal opinion, the Police will put up more and more exclusion zone’s around our City’s to try to combat these Protests?
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How do you know He shot two others, have they said it was the same police officer? They were shot behind a closed door, the police had no idea they were there sadly.
they might of done if they had bothered to check
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they might of done if they had bothered to check
Very Good point, the officers should have asked the terrorist with what they thought was a bomb strapped to his waist, to move away from the front of the Synagogue so they could check there was no one behind the door, before they shoot him.
A delivery driver, who only gave his name as Gareth, told BBC Radio Manchester: "Somebody shouted 'He's in the school or the synagogue' and then as we looked over the guy had a knife, and he was just stabbing the window, trying to get in [the building], and within seconds the police arrived.
"They gave him a couple of warnings, he didn't listen, so they opened fire. He went down on the floor and then he started getting back up and then they shot him again."
Another witness, Shah, described seeing the attacker "running with a knife" and "going on the rampage".
Chava Lewin, who lives next door to the synagogue, said: "The second he got out of the car he started stabbing anyone near him.
"He went for the security guard and tried to break into the synagogue.
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My own personal opinion, the Police will put up more and more exclusion zone’s around our City’s to try to combat these Protests?
Hate to say it, but I’m right, I could see it coming, the Police cannot cope and the Government are clueless.
Police forces will be granted powers to put conditions on repeat protests, the government has announced, a day after nearly 500 protesters were arrested.
Senior officers will be able to consider the "cumulative impact" of previous protests, the Home Office said, which could mean they instruct organisers to hold events elsewhere if a site has seen repeated demonstrations.
Anyone who breaches these conditions will risk arrest and prosecution, it said.
Following Thursday's deadly attack at a synagogue in Manchester all police forces in England and Wales are offering additional support to the 538 synagogues and Jewish community sites across the country.
The new powers will be "brought forward as soon as possible", the Home Office said.
While the right to protest is fundamental "this freedom must be balanced with the freedom of their neighbours to live their lives without fear", Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said.
She said large, repeated protests could leave sections of the country, particularly religious communities, "feeling unsafe, intimidated and scared to leave their homes".
Mahmood said this had been particularly evident within the Jewish community recently.
The home secretary will carry out a review of current protest legislation to "ensure powers are sufficient and being applied consistently", the government said.
This will include powers to ban protests outright, the government said.
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Hate to say it, but I’m right, I could see it coming, the Police cannot cope and the Government are clueless.
Police forces will be granted powers to put conditions on repeat protests, the government has announced, a day after nearly 500 protesters were arrested.
Senior officers will be able to consider the "cumulative impact" of previous protests, the Home Office said, which could mean they instruct organisers to hold events elsewhere if a site has seen repeated demonstrations.
Anyone who breaches these conditions will risk arrest and prosecution, it said.
Following Thursday's deadly attack at a synagogue in Manchester all police forces in England and Wales are offering additional support to the 538 synagogues and Jewish community sites across the country.
The new powers will be "brought forward as soon as possible", the Home Office said.
While the right to protest is fundamental "this freedom must be balanced with the freedom of their neighbours to live their lives without fear", Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said.
She said large, repeated protests could leave sections of the country, particularly religious communities, "feeling unsafe, intimidated and scared to leave their homes".
Mahmood said this had been particularly evident within the Jewish community recently.
The home secretary will carry out a review of current protest legislation to "ensure powers are sufficient and being applied consistently", the government said.
This will include powers to ban protests outright, the government said.
Id also like to add, if this was miners fighting for their jobs and holding protests in London week in and out, Batons and horses would have been deployed and an exclusion zone would have been put in place after a few weeks.
Whether we like it or not, these protesters are breaking the law and deliberately doing so by supporting Palestine action, are they brave, they will have Terrorist supporter branded to their name for the rest of their lives, it will be on every DBS check they have, and never leave the Police national Computer. Consequences when travelling abroad there might be restrictions at Passport control and will be viewed at any job interview that requires DBS check?
Key Proscribed Organizations
Hamas: The entire organization was proscribed in November 2021, following a partial proscription of its military wing since 2001.
Hizb ut Tahrir: Proscribed in November 2021, according to the UK Parliament briefing.
Wagner Group: This mercenary group was also proscribed, as announced in November 2021, according to UK Parliament.
Palestine Action: Added to the list in 2025, referring specifically to the organization based in the United Kingdom.
Maniacs Murder Cult (MMC): This group was added to the list by an amendment order in 2025, according to the UK's official website.
Russian Imperial Movement (RIM): Also proscribed in 2025, according to the UK's official website.
Why Organizations Are Proscribed
An organization is placed on the list if it is believed to be involved in or to promote or encourage terrorism.
Consequences of Proscription
It is a criminal offence to become a member of or give support to a proscribed organization.
Individuals can be imprisoned for up to 14 years and/or fined for a more serious offence, or face up to 6 months in prison and/or a fine of up to £5,000 for other proscription offences, notes Counter Terrorism Policing.
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Very Good point, the officers should have asked the terrorist with what they thought was a bomb strapped to his waist, to move away from the front of the Synagogue so they could check there was no one behind the door, before they shoot him.
A delivery driver, who only gave his name as Gareth, told BBC Radio Manchester: "Somebody shouted 'He's in the school or the synagogue' and then as we looked over the guy had a knife, and he was just stabbing the window, trying to get in [the building], and within seconds the police arrived.
"They gave him a couple of warnings, he didn't listen, so they opened fire. He went down on the floor and then he started getting back up and then they shot him again."
Another witness, Shah, described seeing the attacker "running with a knife" and "going on the rampage".
Chava Lewin, who lives next door to the synagogue, said: "The second he got out of the car he started stabbing anyone near him.
"He went for the security guard and tried to break into the synagogue.
so several completly contradictry acounts
this all presumes the police are talling the truth and there history suggests
the lied about the demenezes shotting the lied about the mark duggen shooting i dont see any belive there telling the truth now
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what i thought https://youtu.be/u2OLZaucfIk
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so several completly contradictry acounts
this all presumes the police are talling the truth and there history suggests
the lied about the demenezes shotting the lied about the mark duggen shooting i dont see any belive there telling the truth now
Can you read? This isn’t from the Police, this is from three witnesses who told their account of what unfolded. Someone who saw what Happened. Please tell us Nugnug how you would have handled the situation?
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Can you read? This isn’t from the Police, this is from three witnesses who told their account of what unfolded. Someone who saw what Happened. Please tell us Nugnug how you would have handled the situation?
well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.
normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm
how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody
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well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.
normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm
how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody
The policy is to shoot the suspect in situations like this. Remember the Tower Bridge incident. He was shot multiple times.
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well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.
normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm
how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody
I would say they would try not to hit the vest, either way he had to be taken out I’m afraid.
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I would say they would try not to hit the vest, either way he had to be taken out I’m afraid.
they may try not to but that doesnt mean they wont
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Can you read? This isn’t from the Police, this is from three witnesses who told their account of what unfolded. Someone who saw what Happened. Please tell us Nugnug how you would have handled the situation?
The attacker wanted the police to shoot him via making them think it was a real bomb. Suicide by cop as its known in the US.
PS no he can't read.
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the plice radio and video footage he not been released yet
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they may try not to but that doesnt mean they wont
Doesn't mean they will either, your question was….. well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.
I would say shooting him doesn’t automatically mean it would detonate it only if they hit the vest, they would try not to hit the vest, if they do it might possibly go off? They may well have tried for a head shot? Who knows. When I detonated gunpowder it was usually an electric current that set it off via a battery coupled to wires, never tried it with a gunshot. I would say heat would set it off though, even though I’ve had large falls of rock drop on the charge and it never set it off.
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Doesn't mean they will either, your question was….. well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.
I would say shooting him doesn’t automatically mean it would detonate it only if they hit the vest, they would try not to hit the vest, if they do it might possibly go off? They may well have tried for a head shot? Who knows. When I detonated gunpowder it was usually an electric current that set it off via a battery coupled to wires, never tried it with a gunshot. I would say heat would set it off though, even though I’ve had large falls of rock drop on the charge and it never set it off.
Again I’m right, head shot.
Operation Kratos was a set of tactics developed by London's Metropolitan Police Service for dealing with suspected suicide bombers, most notably firing shots to the head without warning
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well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.
normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm
how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody
Time is of the essence in these situations, a call was made at 9.31 am to the Police, firearms deployed at 9.34 am, terrorist shot dead at 9.38 am, excellent police work, once the suicide vest is reported and spotted, who’s going to try to tackle someone with a knife, would you?
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The policy is to shoot the suspect in situations like this. Remember the Tower Bridge incident. He was shot multiple times.
These so called Martyrs do nothing but harm the actual cause NGB, they damage and give fuel to the other side, now all focus and public sympathy has turned against Palestine for a while.
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The attacker wanted the police to shoot him via making them think it was a real bomb. Suicide by cop as its known in the US.
PS no he can't read.
Forget the Vest just get the knife off him.
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Forget the Vest just get the knife off him.
They will shoot even without a bomb vest or gun. They are legally entitled to use lethal force to protect life. Someone with a knife stabbing people is sufficient. Tasers are used if there is no immediate threat to life but in this case that would not have been appropriate.
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They will shoot even without a bomb vest or gun. They are legally entitled to use lethal force to protect life. Someone with a knife stabbing people is sufficient. Tasers are used if there is no immediate threat to life but in this case that would not have been appropriate.
Thanks NGB
Going back to the Palestine action group arrests, I had it in my mind by refusing to cooperative with an arrest it can cause additional charges? As you well know most are sat down, refusing to stand when arrested can go as resisting arrest and be a crime in itself? So even if they are cleared of the crime, this negatively could go against them?
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Thanks NGB
Going back to the Palestine action group arrests, I had it in my mind by refusing to cooperative with an arrest it can cause additional charges? As you well know most are sat down, refusing to stand when arrested can go as resisting arrest and be a crime in itself? So even if they are cleared of the crime, this negatively could go against them?
They are being very careful because they have been well briefed. They are not actively resisting arrest, such as by struggling or fighting. They are being totally passive. Their idea is to make the police top management realise that doing the Home Secretary's will in arresting them is going to take dispropotionate resources which could and should be allocated elsewhere. It takes five police officers to arrest one person. Legally the police have operational independence. A courageous Chief Constable or the Metropolitan Police Commissioner would stand up to the Home Secretary and say that unless there is disorder at a demonstration or incitement to violence the police will not make arrests. That would make this ludicrous and oppressive law inoperable, which would be a good thing.
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My own personal opinion, the Police will put up more and more exclusion zone’s around our City’s to try to combat these Protests?
As part of the new crackdown ministers will amend Sections 12 and 14 of the Public Order Act 1986 to explicitly allow the police to take account of the cumulative impact of frequent protests on local areas.
The home secretary will also review existing legislation to ensure powers are both sufficient and being applied consistently by police forces – this will include powers to ban protests outright.
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As part of the new crackdown ministers will amend Sections 12 and 14 of the Public Order Act 1986 to explicitly allow the police to take account of the cumulative impact of frequent protests on local areas.
The home secretary will also review existing legislation to ensure powers are both sufficient and being applied consistently by police forces – this will include powers to ban protests outright.
I've no doubt there were many sincere people on the demonstration, but members of Palestine Action are troublemakers. https://youtu.be/veYSlGrm9o0
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I've no doubt there were many sincere people on the demonstration, but members of Palestine Action are troublemakers. https://youtu.be/veYSlGrm9o0
Well to be fair Steve, most holding signs were in their sixties and didn’t remotely look like terrorists?
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I hope they win their cases, but there is no certainty about that. Sentences are likely to be lenient because those charged have not been violent or threatening and have not damaged anything. They have not incited others to violence. I suspect there may be fines or even conditional discharges. A lot depends upon the individual magistrate or judge. The courts will get clogged with these cases. Part of the action is to persuade the police not to act. The police have a discretion. Most offences are effectively ignored. A courageous Chief Constable or the Commissioner could say that resources are not going to be allocated to intervene in demonstrations which are not violent or threatening.
Looks like your right again NGB, I think they’ll go for the lesser section 13 charge to not clog up the Crown Courts, section 13 charges are heard in the Magistrates Court? Defend our Juries were hoping for the either way Section 12 to be heard in front of a jury?
Offences under "Section 13" vary greatly depending on the specific law, but commonly include wearing or displaying items of a proscribed organization in public (Terrorism Act 2000), prohibiting public processions (Public Order Act 1986), child sex offences by under-18s (Sexual Offences Act 2003), or dishonestly abstracting electricity (Theft Act 1968), so it is crucial to specify the correct Act of Parliament to identify the relevant offence.
Here are some examples of "offences under Section 13":
Terrorism Act 2000:
Wearing clothing or carrying articles in public that arouse suspicion of being a member or supporter of a proscribed organization, or publishing images of such items.
Maximum penalty: Six months imprisonment or a fine.
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a bit from tony grienstein https://tonygreenstein.com/the-murder-of-2-jews-at-a-manchester-synagogue-is-as-despicable-as-israeli-snipers-killing-2-catholics-at-gazas-holy-family-parish-church-or-murdering-muslims-in-mosques/
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here are the protester what evil people no wonder they want to ban https://youtu.be/eBsuJdtYGQY
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Update: https://youtu.be/WllAnd3GEdM
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Update: https://youtu.be/WllAnd3GEdM
Wonder what the Protesters will protest about now Steve….. It's been really an amazing period of time. So great for Israel, so great for Muslims and the Arab countries.
'You'll see people getting along and Gaza will be rebuilt.'
He continued: 'Gaza, we believe is going to be a much safer place and it's going to be a place that reconstructs and other countries in the area will help it reconstruct because they have tremendous amounts of wealth, and they want to see that happen.
'I'm very confident there'll be peace in the Middle East.'
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Wonder what the Protesters will protest about now Steve….. It's been really an amazing period of time. So great for Israel, so great for Muslims and the Arab countries.
'You'll see people getting along and Gaza will be rebuilt.'
He continued: 'Gaza, we believe is going to be a much safer place and it's going to be a place that reconstructs and other countries in the area will help it reconstruct because they have tremendous amounts of wealth, and they want to see that happen.
'I'm very confident there'll be peace in the Middle East.'
I doubt the peace plan with get past Stage 2. Check out Roch's new thread.
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i suspect this as well https://youtu.be/Zy5bH18pIwM