Re: Manchester synagogue attack

[nugnug]

Very Good point, the officers should have asked the terrorist with what they thought was a bomb strapped to his waist,  to move away from the front of the Synagogue so they could check there was no one behind the door, before they shoot him.

A delivery driver, who only gave his name as Gareth, told BBC Radio Manchester: "Somebody shouted 'He's in the school or the synagogue' and then as we looked over the guy had a knife, and he was just stabbing the window, trying to get in [the building], and within seconds the police arrived.
"They gave him a couple of warnings, he didn't listen, so they opened fire. He went down on the floor and then he started getting back up and then they shot him again."
Another witness, Shah, described seeing the attacker "running with a knife" and "going on the rampage".
Chava Lewin, who lives next door to the synagogue, said: "The second he got out of the car he started stabbing anyone near him.
"He went for the security guard and tried to break into the synagogue.

so several completly contradictry acounts

this all presumes the police are talling the truth and there history suggests

the lied about the demenezes shotting the lied about the mark duggen shooting i dont see any belive there telling the truth now

[nugnug]

what i thought https://youtu.be/u2OLZaucfIk

[Hardy Boy]

so several completly contradictry acounts

this all presumes the police are talling the truth and there history suggests

the lied about the demenezes shotting the lied about the mark duggen shooting i dont see any belive there telling the truth now

Can you read? This isn’t from the Police, this is from three witnesses who told their account of what unfolded.   Someone who saw what Happened.  Please tell us Nugnug how you would have handled the situation?

[nugnug]

Can you read? This isn’t from the Police, this is from three witnesses who told their account of what unfolded.   Someone who saw what Happened.  Please tell us Nugnug how you would have handled the situation?

well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.

normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm

how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody

[ngb1066]

well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.

normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm

how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody

The policy is to shoot the suspect in situations like this.  Remember the Tower Bridge incident.  He was shot multiple times.

 

[Hardy Boy]

well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.

normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm

how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody

I would say they would try not to hit the vest, either way he had to be taken out I’m afraid.

[nugnug]

I would say they would try not to hit the vest, either way he had to be taken out I’m afraid.

they may try not to but that doesnt mean they wont

[David1819]

Can you read? This isn’t from the Police, this is from three witnesses who told their account of what unfolded.   Someone who saw what Happened.  Please tell us Nugnug how you would have handled the situation?

The attacker wanted the police to shoot him via making them think it was a real bomb. Suicide by cop as its known in the US.

PS no he can't read.

[nugnug]

the plice radio and video footage he not been released yet

[Hardy Boy]

they may try not to but that doesnt mean they wont

Doesn't mean they will either, your question was….. well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it. 

I would say shooting him doesn’t automatically mean it would detonate it only if they hit the vest,  they would try not to hit the vest, if they do it might possibly go off?  They may well have tried for a head shot?  Who knows.   When I detonated gunpowder it was usually an electric current that set it off via a battery coupled to wires,  never tried it with a gunshot.  I would say heat  would set it off though, even though I’ve had large falls of rock drop on the charge and it never set it off.

[Hardy Boy]

Doesn't mean they will either, your question was….. well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it. 

I would say shooting him doesn’t automatically mean it would detonate it only if they hit the vest,  they would try not to hit the vest, if they do it might possibly go off?  They may well have tried for a head shot?  Who knows.   When I detonated gunpowder it was usually an electric current that set it off via a battery coupled to wires,  never tried it with a gunshot.  I would say heat  would set it off though, even though I’ve had large falls of rock drop on the charge and it never set it off.

Again I’m right, head shot.
Operation Kratos was a set of tactics developed by London's Metropolitan Police Service for dealing with suspected suicide bombers, most notably firing shots to the head without warning

[Hardy Boy]

well if that was a real bomb vest wouldent shooting him be likely to detonate it.

normally when somone has a knife they tackle thrm

how do you know these people are witneses they could be anybody

Time is of the essence in these situations, a call was made at  9.31 am to the Police, firearms deployed at 9.34 am,  terrorist shot dead at 9.38 am, excellent police work, once the suicide vest is reported and spotted, who’s going to try to tackle someone with a knife, would you?

[Hardy Boy]

The policy is to shoot the suspect in situations like this.  Remember the Tower Bridge incident.  He was shot multiple times.

These so called Martyrs do nothing but harm the actual cause NGB, they damage and give fuel to the other side,  now all focus and public sympathy has turned against Palestine for a while. 

[Hardy Boy]

The attacker wanted the police to shoot him via making them think it was a real bomb. Suicide by cop as its known in the US.

PS no he can't read.

Forget the Vest just get the knife off him.

[ngb1066]

Forget the Vest just get the knife off him.

They will shoot even without a bomb vest or gun.  They are legally entitled to use lethal force to protect life.  Someone with a knife stabbing people is sufficient.  Tasers are used if there is no immediate threat to life but in this case that would not have been appropriate.