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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on December 17, 2021, 06:08:PM
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Julie was Bamber's girlfriend.
There was no internet or mobile phones. There is no evidence of telepathy.
Julie was with Bamber for a month after the massacre. Outside of Essex. Bamber within ear shot of her.
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There is a mountain of information in Julie's WS which she could have only got from Bamber.
Bamber was Julie's boyfriend for 18 months prior to & 1 month after the massacre. Bamber also rang her 3 times on the massacre night/morning.
So not a surprise Julie knew so much.
All common sense.
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I agree with David that the police did not feed Julie this information.
If they did, they would have insisted MM was excluded from her WS.
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Me & David agree none of the below would have been in the following day's newspapers -
Low house insurance.
Bible by Sheila.
Sheila's shot locations.
Kitchen fight.
Twins asleep.
Sheila putting up no resistance.
Nevill's multiple shots.
June shot in bed.
Kitchen windows.
Portable phone.
Meissen clock.
Twins shot first.
Sheila shot last.
June's sleeping pills.
Sheila & the twins sleeping in different rooms on different nights.
Kitchen argument.
Shooting rabbits.
Sheila shot on parents bed.
Matthew Macdonald
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David claims half of it AE could have given to her. Hopefully he will answer the thread questions.
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Julie was Bamber's girlfriend.
There was no internet or mobile phones. There is no evidence of telepathy.
Julie was with Bamber for a month after the massacre. Outside of Essex. Bamber within ear shot of her.
The only time, which immediately comes to mind, when Julie and Ann were alone, was when Ann accompanied Julie to identify the bodies. Much has been made of how a nonchalant Julie came out and smoke a cigarette. I imagine she'd have been in shock, although I'm aware that supporters would have her as 'doing it for a larf'. I think it's highly likely she said things to Ann, at that point. I think she'd have needed to -although I doubt she'd have spoken openly about it to Ann- given that at the forefront of her mind would have been the growing realization that Jeremy had been responsible for what she'd just witnessed.
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The only option is Bamber gave her all of the above information. For the reasons above.
David has added his own option that AE was feeding Julie information. For no apparent reason.
As with his diluted period blood theory, even the CT have not suggested this
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The only option is Bamber gave her all of the above information. For the reasons above.
David has added his own option that AE was feeding Julie information. For no apparent reason.
As with his diluted period blood theory, even the CT have not suggested this
And with no access to Julie.
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The only time, which immediately comes to mind, when Julie and Ann were alone, was when Ann accompanied Julie to identify the bodies. Much has been made of how a nonchalant Julie came out and smoke a cigarette. I imagine she'd have been in shock, although I'm aware that supporters would have her as 'doing it for a larf'. I think it's highly likely she said things to Ann, at that point. I think she'd have needed to -although I doubt she'd have spoken openly about it to Ann- given that at the forefront of her mind would have been the growing realization that Jeremy had been responsible for what she'd just witnessed.
What about at the wake? I am sure their paths would have crossed several times before she went to the police. You just make stuff up. You have no evidence or qualifications to mind read all the actors in this drama. Many of your posts involve you psychoanalysing peoples thoughts and motives. That is ok when related to a piece of evidence but most is your psychobabble.
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The only time, which immediately comes to mind, when Julie and Ann were alone, was when Ann accompanied Julie to identify the bodies. Much has been made of how a nonchalant Julie came out and smoke a cigarette. I imagine she'd have been in shock, although I'm aware that supporters would have her as 'doing it for a larf'. I think it's highly likely she said things to Ann, at that point. I think she'd have needed to -although I doubt she'd have spoken openly about it to Ann- given that at the forefront of her mind would have been the growing realization that Jeremy had been responsible for what she'd just witnessed.
That is the only time I can think of when they were alone together.
This was straight after the massacre. Both would be in shock & still digesting what had happened. AE still supportive to Bamber.
AE certainly would not have any inside information she could pass to Julie. Besides which, Julie was Bamber's girlfriend.
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The funeral & wake Julie would be with Bamber.
It is also not an appropriate time for AE to start insinuating Bamber.
Hopefully David can confirm how he believes Julie & AE communicated. And why?
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What about at the wake? I am sure their paths would have crossed several times before she went to the police. You just make stuff up. You have no evidence or qualifications to mind read all the actors in this drama. Many of your posts involve you psychoanalysing peoples thoughts and motives. That is ok when related to a piece of evidence but most is your psychobabble.
From what you say, you seem to think we're all puppets. That we have no emotions. You are correct in that they would have met at the funeral and the wake, although they probably weren't alone together in either of those places for long. It follows that, at a wake, even a tiny one held in JB's tiny cottage, people will have shared their thoughts and feelings. As they were mourning an entire family, which included two small boys, it's unlikely to have been a knees-up, don't you think? There will have been thoughts appropriate to the solemn occasion. Better to be qualified to understand what how people are most likely to act under given circumstances, than spout moronic facts which have been bent to how you'd have them be, eh?
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AE & family were putting all their efforts in trying to persuade Taff Jones.
It was much too risky trying to persuade Julie of anything. She may have encouraged Bamber to commit the massacre & was looking forward to the inheritance. Julie would alert Bamber.
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Hopefully David will answer the -
Why
When
How
questions. He is the only one claiming AE feeded Julie half of the reply 3 list.
He also needs to address the potential massive disadvantages of alerting Julie ( Bambers girlfriend).
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AE & family were putting all their efforts in trying to persuade Taff Jones.
It was much too risky trying to persuade Julie of anything. She may have encouraged Bamber to commit the massacre & was looking forward to the inheritance. Julie would alert Bamber.
Which makes perfect sense. The family weren't aware of what/how much Julie knew and it's perfectly reasonable to think they may have suspected her of being involved. They'd have been very wary of sharing their own suspicions with her.
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Which makes perfect sense. The family weren't aware of what/how much Julie knew and it's perfectly reasonable to think they may have suspected her of being involved. They'd have been very wary of sharing their own suspicions with her.
Either Bamber was innocent so no point telling Julie anything. She will alert Bamber.
Or Bamber was guilty & Julie was in on it. So no point telling Julie. She will alert Bamber.
As it happened, Julie was aware Bamber was involved, but had not encouraged him.
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The other problem AE had was speaking to Julie. Alone.
This would have to be on several occasions if AE was going to drip feed Julie so much information.
Julie did start telling other people within about 2 weeks. How & when did AE relay so much information to her.
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Over to you David.
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Either Bamber was innocent so no point telling Julie anything. She will alert Bamber.
Or Bamber was guilty & Julie was in on it. So no point telling Julie. She will alert Bamber.
As it happened, Julie was aware Bamber was involved, but had not encouraged him.
It's looking like it's coming down to one of those two things, doesn't it, and they couldn't be certain of either. I guess whatever they thought was best kept to themselves.
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Either Bamber was innocent so no point telling Julie anything. She will alert Bamber.
Or Bamber was guilty & Julie was in on it. So no point telling Julie. She will alert Bamber.
As it happened, Julie was aware Bamber was involved, but had not encouraged him.
Julie may still alert Bamber.
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It's looking like it's coming down to one of those two things, doesn't it, and they couldn't be certain of either. I guess whatever they thought was best kept to themselves.
It's only David claiming AE gave Julie the exclusive information in Julie's WS.
To be fair, we both agree Julie did not get her information from the police or the following days newspapers.
David can't go with the simple explanation - Bamber told her.
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It looks like David is not going to answer these straight forward questions. Although he is the one claiming AE gave Julie information -
Why would AE alert Julie & Bamber to her suspisions?
When did AE get the chance to speak to Julie alone?
How would AE speak to Julie when Bamber was close by?
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I have noticed supporters put forward things but then don't answer questions.
Rob created a 'Sheila scenario'. Then only answered 4 of my 34 questions before saying a Sheila scenario is not important.
David has refused to answer questions on his 'diluted blood', 'AE' sequence of events' & 'AE giving Julie information' theories.
QC makes statements in his long posts. When I ask for a source he says I should 'search the forum' for it instead of supplying the source.
Lookout will be the first to admit she never supplies sources to support her bold statements.
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AE had kept JM up to speed from the start with " Sheila's body on the bed " scenario so continued repeating what she'd been told to keep JB on side. I doubt that any love was lost between them, it was all done for convenience purposes.
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David & no other supporters have answered the basic thread questions.
Therefore Julie got the information below from Bamber -
Low house insurance.
Bible by Sheila.
Sheila's shot locations.
Kitchen fight.
Twins asleep.
Sheila putting up no resistance.
Nevill's multiple shots.
June shot in bed.
Kitchen windows.
Portable phone.
Meissen clock.
Twins shot first.
Sheila shot last.
June's sleeping pills.
Sheila & the twins sleeping in different rooms on different nights.
Kitchen argument.
Shooting rabbits.
Sheila shot on parents bed.
Matthew Macdonald
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David & no other supporters have answered the basic thread questions.
Your questions have mostly been answered before numerous times in the past.
You are just spamming the forum with copy and paste nonsense to annoy people.
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Your questions have mostly been answered before numerous times in the past.
You are just spamming the forum with copy and paste nonsense to annoy people.
Why would AE alert Julie & Bamber to her suspisions?
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Why would AE alert Julie & Bamber to her suspisions?
Question open to everyone.
David doesn't know.
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When would AE get the chance to have a long conversation with Julie. Alone.
Within the first two weeks after the massacre/before Julie started telling other people.
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Nobody takes you seriously Adam. Keep wasting your time posting BS nobody cares to read.
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When would AE get the chance to have a long conversation with Julie. Alone.
Within the first two weeks after the massacre/before Julie started telling other people.
Would AE have acquired good information to pass to Julie, prior to Julie telling other people? The time scale was very short.
AE would then need to locate Bamber/Julie. Then get Julie alone. Aware Julie would alert Bamber.
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Even Rob & QC have not suggested why AE would alert Bamber & Julie she was suspicious.
To be fair neither have claimed AE was scouring Europe looking for Julie so AE could insinuate & alert Julie's boyfriend.
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There is a mountain of information in Julie's WS which she could have only got from Bamber.
Bamber was Julie's boyfriend for 18 months prior to & 1 month after the massacre. Bamber also rang her 3 times on the massacre night/morning.
So not a surprise Julie knew so much.
All common sense.
Sorry Adam I don't really understand the point of creating this topic?
JM's first WS was the day after the killings had taken place and there is nothing in this of any consequence. Her next WS was one month latter, during which time she could have picked up snippets of information from all over the place.
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Sorry Adam I don't really understand the point of creating this topic?
JM's first WS was the day after the killings had taken place and there is nothing in this of any consequence. Her next WS was one month latter, during which time she could have picked up snippets of information from all over the place.
This is what the thread is about.
Me and David agree none of the 19 pieces of exclusive information in Julie's WS, she got from the police or the following days newspapers.
The logical explanation is Bamber told Julie.
However David is claiming AE gave Julie a couple of pieces of information. But does not know why AE would alert Bamber & Julie she was suspicious. He also does not know when or how AE would inform Julie.
Can you answer?
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JM was the one obviously closer to JB so the more information that could be pumped out of JM, the better, whether true or not because a case had to be built against JB by the relatives as they knew nothing about the family dynamics etc.
The idea was to get as much information that would damage JB irreparably-----all without proof, that was used against him but said in such a way as to convict, and so it went on.
What was fair and just about this ?
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JM was the one obviously closer to JB so the more information that could be pumped out of JM, the better, whether true or not because a case had to be built against JB by the relatives as they knew nothing about the family dynamics etc.
The idea was to get as much information that would damage JB irreparably-----all without proof, that was used against him but said in such a way as to convict, and so it went on.
What was fair and just about this ?
So you think the police coaxed a lot of information out of Julie.
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So you think the police coaxed a lot of information out of Julie.
You said it !
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You said it !
Information Bamber gave her.
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Information Bamber gave her.
Stop twisting Adam, you're no better than the rogues at trial !
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Stop twisting Adam, you're no better than the rogues at trial !
Who else but Bamber gave her exclusive information which is in her WS?
The police & newspapers have been ruled out. Ditto David's AE theory, although that was just a couple of pieces.
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Who else but Bamber gave her exclusive information which is in her WS?
The police & newspapers have been ruled out. Ditto David's AE theory, although that was just a couple of pieces.
Where is this " exclusive information ?" What is it ?
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Where is this " exclusive information ?" What is it ?
Low house insurance.
Bible by Sheila.
Sheila's shot locations.
Kitchen fight.
Twins asleep.
Sheila putting up no resistance.
Nevill's multiple shots.
June shot in bed.
Kitchen windows.
Portable phone.
Meissen clock.
Twins shot first.
Sheila shot last.
June's sleeping pills.
Sheila & the twins sleeping in different rooms on different nights.
Kitchen argument.
Shooting rabbits.
Sheila shot on parents bed.
Matthew Macdonald.
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David said AE somehow managed to pass on a couple of these to Julie. Then refused to say how, why & when. So this theory has been dismissed.
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Don't mean a thing !
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From the list of items in your list Adam, the only one I find interesting is Sheila being shot on the bed, and only one other person to my knowledge has ever mentioned this is AE?
So are you saying JB lied to JM about Sheila being shot on the bed, or did the Police move her?
JM identified the bodies so would have learned a lot about what happened from this alone.
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From the list of items in your list Adam, the only one I find interesting is Sheila being shot on the bed, and only one other person to my knowledge has ever mentioned this is AE?
So are you saying JB lied to JM about Sheila being shot on the bed, or did the Police move her?
JM identified the bodies so would have learned a lot about what happened from this alone.
As JM wasn't next of kin, I very much doubt that anything would have been said about the manner of deaths, other than, perhaps, all had sustained gunshot wounds, which would have been obvious, anyway.
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From the list of items in your list Adam, the only one I find interesting is Sheila being shot on the bed, and only one other person to my knowledge has ever mentioned this is AE?
So are you saying JB lied to JM about Sheila being shot on the bed, or did the Police move her?
JM identified the bodies so would have learned a lot about what happened from this alone.
Buy what about the clock? Julie had visited WHF plenty of times and would have seen it but let's ignore that.
And what about the low insurance? The Bambers didn't even have insurance as they were tenants and the place was owned by a charity. But nevermind.
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Buy what about the clock? Julie had visited WHF plenty of times and would have seen it but let's ignore that.
And what about the low insurance? The Bambers didn't even have insurance as they were tenants and the place was owned by a charity. But nevermind.
I thought the clock was hidden away in a suitcase?
Of course the Bambers had contents insurance.
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I thought the clock was hidden away in a suitcase?
Of course the Bambers had contents insurance.
Didn't JB say -allegedly- that burning the house down wasn't an option because the Bambers were under insured?
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Didn't JB say -allegedly- that burning the house down wasn't an option because the Bambers were under insured?
Believe so.
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Buy what about the clock? Julie had visited WHF plenty of times and would have seen it but let's ignore that.
And what about the low insurance? The Bambers didn't even have insurance as they were tenants and the place was owned by a charity. But nevermind.
The clock was kept in a suitcase according to Bamber
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From the list of items in your list Adam, the only one I find interesting is Sheila being shot on the bed, and only one other person to my knowledge has ever mentioned this is AE?
So are you saying JB lied to JM about Sheila being shot on the bed, or did the Police move her?
JM identified the bodies so would have learned a lot about what happened from this alone.
Sheila was shot by the bed.
Bamber either told Julie 'on' in error. Or she mis heard/remembered wrong.
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From the list of items in your list Adam, the only one I find interesting is Sheila being shot on the bed, and only one other person to my knowledge has ever mentioned this is AE?
So are you saying JB lied to JM about Sheila being shot on the bed, or did the Police move her?
JM identified the bodies so would have learned a lot about what happened from this alone.
Julie would have just seen the faces. For a few seconds.
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Didn't JB say -allegedly- that burning the house down wasn't an option because the Bambers were under insured?
Also the fire may be seen & put out early. Leaving evidence.
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Adam is still butthurt over the fact he has never persuaded anyone that JB is guilty.
He joined this forum one month before Paul Harrison changed his agenda, giving him the false impression his presence had made three forum members change their mind. He was naively under this false impression for many years.
Cambridgecuite (aka Holly Goodhead) came along praising Adams posts. Unbeknown to him it was a supporter trolling the forum in a vein attempt to cover her identity.
25 Thousand posts and counting. Adams quest to persuade one person that JB is guilty continues. Will the day ever come?
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Wow David is in a bad mood today.
Well Caroline, Jane, Susan, Mike & Maggie changed stance after I joined.
Lookout & JackieD support for non evidence reasons.
Trudie has also disappeared. As you said, Holly has changed stance.
I know nothing about Paul Harrison.
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David still has not answered my thread questions -
Why would AE alert Julie & Bamber of her suspisions?
When would AE have Julie alone?
How would AE tell Julie?
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Not really important. It's only a couple of things David has claimed.
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It is surprising that people believe Julie would committ massive, serious perjury. In a loan attempt to frame an innocent man of killing his family!
For no reason!
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Adam is still butthurt over the fact he has never persuaded anyone that JB is guilty.
He joined this forum one month before Paul Harrison changed his agenda, giving him the false impression his presence had made three forum members change their mind. He was naively under this false impression for many years.
Cambridgecuite (aka Holly Goodhead) came along praising Adams posts. Unbeknown to him it was a supporter trolling the forum in a vein attempt to cover her identity.
25 Thousand posts and counting. Adams quest to persuade one person that JB is guilty continues. Will the day ever come?
I don't recall praising Adam's posts other than saying they are brief, to the point and in plan English unlike some.
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I don't get it.
David has for years been saying AE passed Julie a couple of pieces of information.
When I ask why, when & how, he refuses to answer.
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In the years that Adam has been posting, he's still asking questions and time upon time these are repeated. Anyone who continues to question in this way is very UNSURE ! Otherwise why keep asking the same questions over and over ?
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In the years that Adam has been posting, he's still asking questions and time upon time these are repeated. Anyone who continues to question in this way is very UNSURE ! Otherwise why keep asking the same questions over and over ?
I am unsure on this issue.
Why do you believe AE would alert Julie & Bamber she & her family were suspicious & being pro active about it?
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I am unsure on this issue.
Why do you believe AE would alert Julie & Bamber she & her family were suspicious & being pro active about it?
JB had no idea everyone was planning behind his back. Nobody alerted anyone as they were keeping things " to themselves " until the big day.
It's usually those who don't need the money that plan these sort of things, through inherent greed !
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JB had no idea everyone was planning behind his back. Nobody alerted anyone as they were keeping things " to themselves " until the big day.
It's usually those who don't need the money that plan these sort of things, through inherent greed !
So you disagree with David that AE gave Julie a couple of pieces of information.
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So you disagree with David that AE gave Julie a couple of pieces of information.
No I don't disagree with it at all as AE told JM whatever information suited to tell at the time to keep her onside.
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No I don't disagree with it at all as AE told JM whatever information suited to tell at the time to keep her onside.
'Keep her onside'?
She was Bamber's girlfriend.
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'Keep her onside'?
She was Bamber's girlfriend.
All the more reason. People like AE have no conscience. It was enough for me when she'd been asked what happens if JB is innocent and served years in prison to which she'd said " I can live with that " What ? The woman isn't human !
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All the more reason. People like AE have no conscience. It was enough for me when she'd been asked what happens if JB is innocent and served years in prison to which she'd said " I can live with that " What ? The woman isn't human !
Source please. Or did you make it up?
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Source please. Or did you make it up?
Why would I make up something like that ? If I remember rightly it was an officer who'd asked her the question. It's on the forum somewhere, though it just shows how much notice you take !
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Why would I make up something like that ? If I remember rightly it was an officer who'd asked her the question. It's on the forum somewhere, though it just shows how much notice you take !
You have been reading QC's posts.
Anyway, no source.
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You have been reading QC's posts.
Anyway, no source.
Have I really ? The information I've given was from a legal document written by an officer.
You never read anything pertaining to JB's innocence anyway, so there's no debating with you.