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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Bubo bubo on July 12, 2021, 12:54:PM
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I have already written extensively on this subject and the logs. My view until recently was that without tapes or transcripts it cannot be proved. However I did outline a circumstance where a 999 call to Bonnet was abandoned and discussed how this might be handled. I suggested that this call could not be cancelled without first gaining the number from which it originated.
I now see that the CT are suggesting that a further call was made around 06.09, on the log maintained by the operative who had the curious way of writing a zero i.e. struck through. It talks about moving a 999 call to create a direct link with the control room. Could this be the original 03.2? approx call from Nevill which was left off the hook and monitored? I know it was a long time to leave it but it was the only way the police had of knowing what might be happening inside the farm. It was also this same police operative that added the WHF number to the Bonnet log. This would probably become available at shift transfer. In other words it was not a new call just the original being switched. Did June try to get to this line as previously suggested as they wanted to talk to her from Chelmsford Control where events were being co-ordinated?
Additionally I would like to suggest that it may have been June using or trying to use the abandoned 999 call line or signalling which precipitated the summoning of Ambulances to the scene. Was she shot again while attempting to use this line? I have seen no evidence or statements as to how the Ambulance Service was activated and it does not appear in any of the logs. My guess would be that this was done via HQ. I believe the timeline from the ‘in conversation’ log entry to the 999 link being switched at 06.09 supports these suggestions.
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Additionally I would like to suggest that it may have been June using or trying to use the abandoned 999 call line or signalling which precipitated the summoning of Ambulances to the scene.
There was no ambulance call from within the farm. I am not sure if the CT are even still claiming this nonsense.
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June was shot 5 times in bed. Then shot two more times on the floor a few minutes later.
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There was no ambulance call from within the farm. I am not sure if the CT are even still claiming this nonsense.
On what basis is it nonsense? Somebody must have requested the ambulance attendance. Given that entry had not been made who summoned them and on what basis?
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June was shot 5 times in bed. Then shot two more times on the floor a few minutes later.
I refuse to answer your question. You have not proved June was shot in bed and you are refusing to take into account my observations. Just because the police say this is so does not make it the truth. Given that they swapped bullets, to make it a one gun crime and burnt evidence on the day, their word counts for nothing.
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On what basis is it nonsense? Somebody must have requested the ambulance attendance. Given that entry had not been made who summoned them and on what basis?
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8578.0;attach=49604)
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I refuse to answer your question. You have not proved June was shot in bed and you are refusing to take into account my observations. Just because the police say this is so does not make it the truth. Given that they swapped bullets, to make it a one gun crime and burnt evidence on the day, their word counts for nothing.
Yes it has been proven. You have no evidence to show that evidence on this subject is fake.
By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
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June was shot 5 times in bed. Then shot two more times on the floor a few minutes later.
How was it that drips of blood belonging to June were found beneath the window of the box-room----where the rifle was spotted ?
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(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8578.0;attach=49604)
Can a duty sergeant also be an inspector ? Which was he to be ?
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There is nothing wrong with my brain and my response was not directed at you. I just disagree with the notion that the only possibility is that June was shot in bed. You can produce graphics showing June levitating or evidence from discredited witnesses but the fact remains that the police staged the crime scene for their own purposes and for this reason other logical avenues as to what happened are valid. You can disagree but it does not invalidate them.
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June was shot 5 times in bed while asleep after Bamber entered the bedroom. As the crime scene photos & COA state.
She was able to crawl a few feet while Bamber was downstairs. Then received two more shots while on the floor. Either would have been quickly fatal.
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(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8578.0;attach=49604)
I am well aware that a link was established. It still does not answer the question of who summoned the ambulances. We have all manner of logs showing requests for people to attend, vehicles despatched as well as the responses to those requests. In siege situations it is nearly always the case that those outside be they police or trained negotiators to try to make contact with persons inside the premises.
We know that the police used a loud hailer to make contact though we do not know the detail of any requests made or the information imparted. We know it was met with no response. It is perfectly possible that June may not have been able to respond at that time without putting herself in more danger or because of injuries received. That does not mean that the situation inside did not change in order for her to attempt a means of contact some time later. Say while Sheila was otherwise distracted or in the shower.
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June was shot 5 times in bed while asleep after Bamber entered the bedroom. As the crime scene photos & COA state.
She was able to crawl a few feet while Bamber was downstairs. Then received two more shots while on the floor. Either would have been quickly fatal.
June didn't die in the boxroom.
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the fact remains that the police staged the crime scene for their own purposes
What evidence is there to establish this "fact"?
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June didn't die in the boxroom.
Didn't say she did.
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What evidence is there to establish this "fact"?
Please read my posts on the staging of the main bedroom scene. You have even stated that you do not read all posts Even PV who you support said JB would have to be a 'nutter' to stage it like that. Since you believe JB innocent you are arguing against yourself.
I would also be grateful if you would refrain from childish posts in relation to my intelligence and cognitive abilities. Lets keep things civil. Any further such posts will result in a formal complaint. Do not insult other forum members. Such language shows your lack of respect and weakens your arguments.
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Please read my posts on the staging of the main bedroom scene. You have even stated that you do not read all posts Even PV who you support said JB would have to be a 'nutter' to stage it like that. Since you believe JB innocent you are arguing against yourself.
I would also be grateful if you would refrain from childish posts in relation to my intelligence and cognitive abilities. Lets keep things civil. Any further such posts will result in a formal complaint. Do not insult other forum members. Such language shows your lack of respect and weakens your arguments.
Skimming through your posts, I cannot see any documented evidence attached to them. They consist mostly of wild speculation and conjecture.
Do you believe the police got hold of the rifle found on Sheila, fired several bullets into Junes pillow before pouring her blood over her side of the bed? Because that is essentially what had to have taken place for your argument to be the factual one.
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Skimming through your posts, I cannot see any documented evidence attached to them. They consist mostly of wild speculation and conjecture.
Do you believe the police got hold of the rifle found on Sheila, fired several bullets into Junes pillow before pouring her blood over her side of the bed? Because that is essentially what had to have taken place for your argument to be the factual one.
Do not skim read you will miss the point. I am sorry to say that you are beginning to behave like Adam. Creating argument for arguments sake.
My hypothesis is that the police shot June by accident. In desperation they staged much of the crime scene we see still hoping to blame it all on Sheila. Unfortunately they reckoned without the Boutflour Family. As a result of amongst other things police misinformation and their own investigations they 'twigged' what had gone wrong. The blood on the stairs is but one example. As a result of this they were able to manipulate and or work with some police officers.
If this happened they had lied to the inquest covering up their mistake and the whole EP force would be in deep trouble. The families silence and cooperation ensured JB was framed and the family gained the Bamber estate. The police had removed the threat of exposure since it was a Faustian pact. Both sides win or both sides loose.
You may disagree but given the history of this case down the years and the way it has been handled by the Justice System such an hypothesis is not beyond the realms of possibility.
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Skimming through your posts, I cannot see any documented evidence attached to them. They consist mostly of wild speculation and conjecture.
Do you believe the police got hold of the rifle found on Sheila, fired several bullets into Junes pillow before pouring her blood over her side of the bed? Because that is essentially what had to have taken place for your argument to be the factual one.
By the way you have changed the subject. Who summoned the ambulances?
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Skimming through your posts, I cannot see any documented evidence attached to them. They consist mostly of wild speculation and conjecture.
Do you believe the police got hold of the rifle found on Sheila, fired several bullets into Junes pillow before pouring her blood over her side of the bed? Because that is essentially what had to have taken place for your argument to be the factual one.
My argument is more detailed and you know it. I have set out reasoned arguments and detailed examination of the crime scene photos. Skim reading does not work. I have not stated what you deliberately misquote. Please engage by questioning the detail I present. If you choose to disagree fine by me but do not denigrate my arguments by factual misrepresentation.
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How did the police shoot June by accident? She had already been shot 7 times by the murder weapon.
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By the way you have changed the subject. Who summoned the ambulances?
The police I assume.
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Do not skim read you will miss the point. I am sorry to say that you are beginning to behave like Adam. Creating argument for arguments sake.
My hypothesis is that the police shot June by accident. In desperation they staged much of the crime scene we see still hoping to blame it all on Sheila. Unfortunately they reckoned without the Boutflour Family. As a result of amongst other things police misinformation and their own investigations they 'twigged' what had gone wrong. The blood on the stairs is but one example. As a result of this they were able to manipulate and or work with some police officers.
If this happened they had lied to the inquest covering up their mistake and the whole EP force would be in deep trouble. The families silence and cooperation ensured JB was framed and the family gained the Bamber estate. The police had removed the threat of exposure since it was a Faustian pact. Both sides win or both sides loose.
You may disagree but given the history of this case down the years and the way it has been handled by the Justice System such an hypothesis is not beyond the realms of possibility.
You think the police shot June seven times by accident?
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My argument is more detailed and you know it. I have set out reasoned arguments and detailed examination of the crime scene photos. Skim reading does not work. I have not stated what you deliberately misquote. Please engage by questioning the detail I present. If you choose to disagree fine by me but do not denigrate my arguments by factual misrepresentation.
Then explain how the bullets and blood ended up on Junes side of the bed.
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You think the police shot June seven times by accident?
You clearly have not studied my narrative in detail. They only shot her once by accident. I am not a TV Evangelist or a Snake Oil Salesman. I am not asking you believe me. I have through studying the case come up with my version of the truth as MT says. It would be strange if you only had to read the limited information we have available to reveal the real truth. Some element of speculation is needed to try to find why this case has remained an enigma for the past 36 years. The powers that be have worked hard using all the powers available to them (PII etc.) to cover up what happened. People are entitled to believe what they wish and can come to their own conclusions. I have merely set out my ideas and forum readers can make up their own minds whether I am right. I do not care but I resent misrepresentation borne out of laziness.
You deal in short inaccurate statements rather than detailed forensic examination. Mostly you use tit for tat arguments where as I prefer a more academic examination of the case based on detailed thought processes and reasoning. It is an hypothesis which I offer on a take it or leave it basis. I do believe that my take explains much of what has happened in this case.
I have more stuff to put out and will do so as I feel so inclined.
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The police I assume.
Well here we have speculation on your part. It could indeed be the police.
Here is an argument.
If the police called the ambulances it would show them in a good light, making sensible preparations, so no reason to withhold this information but it does not appear on any of the logs.
On the other hand if June called the ambulances it would mean JB was innocent regardless of whether she was killed later by Sheila or the police.
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Stranger things have happened. In some domestic incidents the perpetrator can be the person who you'd least expect. Which is why blame invariably goes to those who " have form " to carry out murders, i.e. those who are already unstable as Sheila was and/or Jeremy who'd loved the high-life and enjoyed all things involving having plenty of money.
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Why would the raid team shoot June? She was no threat, dead and laying on the bedroom floor.
The police or raid team would have called an ambulance. Either while at WHF or someone from their office base.
There are no reports of any June's bullets not being from the murder weapon.
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Why would the raid team shoot June? She was no threat, dead and laying on the bedroom floor.
The police or raid team would have called an ambulance. Either while at WHF or someone from their office base.
There are no reports of any June's bullets not being from the murder weapon.
The forensic evidence is rather conclusive on this issue.
Bubo's scenario requires to June to be alive while the police were outside for hours and June never tries to escape or call out for help. Then the police elaborately restage the scene after accidently shooting her seven times. Its not even worth debating IMO.
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The forensic evidence is rather conclusive on this issue.
Bubo's scenario requires to June to be alive while the police were outside for hours and June never tries to escape or call out for help. Then the police elaborately restage the scene after accidently shooting her seven times. Its not even worth debating IMO.
Bubo is saying the police shot June once. Which would still mean June was dead when the police entered WHF. From the other 6 shots.
Can't see both June & Sheila still being alive when the police arrived at WHF. Sheila then letting June call for an ambulance before shooting her 6 times & then shooting herself twice.
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Bubo is saying the police shot June once. Which would still mean June was dead when the police entered WHF. From the other 6 shots.
Can't see both June & Sheila still being alive when the police arrived at WHF. Sheila then letting June call for an ambulance before shooting her 6 times & then shooting herself twice.
Then who is supposed to fire the other six shots?
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Then who is supposed to fire the other six shots?
Sheila. But only after the police had arrived and June had called for an ambulance.
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Sheila. But only after the police had arrived and June had called for an ambulance.
Adam is bravely edging towards a total public stance change.
Appreciate it's a tough one for Adam because he has been a dogmatic guilter all these years and people will wonder why he is changing his mind for a second time, but we're almost there and once Adam acknowledges the truth, others may change stance.
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Adam is bravely edging towards a total public stance change.
Appreciate it's a tough one for Adam because he has been a dogmatic guilter all these years and people will wonder why he is changing his mind for a second time, but we're almost there and once Adam acknowledges the truth, others may change stance.
Adam is the only guilter left on here.
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Then who is supposed to fire the other six shots?
For goodness sake do not keep misrepresenting what I have posted. I have given reasons why June could still have been alive. Once again it is clear that you are selectively reporting and once again it is clear that you have not read all of what I have said. If you keep on doing this I will treat you like Adam and refuse to enter into any dialogue with you as well. Do not dismiss my arguments in such a crude fashion. Just because you do not wish to accept my analysis does not mean it is unworthy of consideration and I leave it to others to make up their own minds as to the validity of my thinking.
Try answering this for starters. How did June walk around the bed without stepping on the electric blanket? There is no depression in the fabric. Did she jump it?
You are at risk of becoming an object of ridicule because of your lack of dissemination of the detail I have provided, answering in your tit for tat style.
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The forensic evidence is rather conclusive on this issue.
Bubo's scenario requires to June to be alive while the police were outside for hours and June never tries to escape or call out for help. Then the police elaborately restage the scene after accidently shooting her seven times. Its not even worth debating IMO.
I expect you to analyse what I have said and to respond with a detailed refutation of my points. I know this requires you to use more than a couple of off the cuff flippant remarks but give it a try. It requires more than a couple of sentences.
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I expect you to analyse what I have said and to respond with a detailed refutation of my points.
I already have refuted your posts. A "detailed refutation" is not necessary, because the evidence speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore the evidence and indulge in looney scenarios, don't expect me to even bother replying.
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I already have refuted your posts. A "detailed refutation" is not necessary, because the evidence speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore the evidence and indulge in looney scenarios, don't expect me to even bother replying.
Ok I guess I will have to put you on the naughty step with Adam. You have not answered a simple straight forward question This piece of evidence does not speak for its self as far as I am concerned and you cannot explain how it does. There are no indentations which would and should be present.
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I already have refuted your posts. A "detailed refutation" is not necessary, because the evidence speaks for itself. If you choose to ignore the evidence and indulge in looney scenarios, don't expect me to even bother replying.
Your response also implies I am suffering from a mental problem. This will be reported. You cannot say you have not been warned.
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See the log below. Ambulances requested at 6:25 from CA07
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=732.0;attach=3202)
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See the log below. Ambulances requested at 6:25 from CA07
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=732.0;attach=3202)
Thanks David well done that answers an important question. Perhaps you could now address the question I asked about the electric blanket. This does not remove the possibility that they had spoken to June.
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Adam is the only guilter left on here.
It's one of them for Adam. He has to play it 'political' while using the PM system to offer moral support to silent guilters and encourage them to change stance. Adam is one of the unsung heroes of Jeremy's campaign for freedom.
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I note that one was required for immediate and one for standby. This suggests that they knew persons were possibly alive and in need of treatment, otherwise both would be required to standby prior to police entry to the premises. So it is possible that June or Sheila did use the phone. I hope you would agree it would be unlikely that Nevill or the twins used the phone. If it was Sheila, given her wounds found on entry, it is unlikely she would need immediate treatment. This suggests it was other persons who were in need of treatment. I suggest it was June. If Sheila announced her intention to commit suicide it would have triggered and earlier entry to the premises.
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See the log below. Ambulances requested at 6:25 from CA07
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=732.0;attach=3202)
Not surprised an ambulance was called. Jeremy had volunteered a lot of information to the police.
Sheila was a 'nutter', 'do lally', 'looney', 'psychotic depressive' & 'should be locked' up. She knew how to use all the rifles at WHF & a loaded one had been left out by Jeremy after he went to shoot rabbits. Nevill had rang him but the phone went dead after 11 words.
Jeremy had even drawn diagrams of where Sheila might be hiding with the rifle inside WHF. Ready to open fire on the raud team.
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Could this unidentified blood in the kitchen belong to June?
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Could this unidentified blood in the kitchen belong to June?
It would be Nevill's blood.
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It would be Nevill's blood.
Why ?
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Why ?
He was brutally beaten, moved, burnt & shot another 4 times by Bamber. In the kitchen.
He also arrived in the kitchen with face and body injuries from 4 upstairs rifle shots.
Keep up.
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Keep up.
Thanks Adam. It's good that you're giving some forum members the 'hard word'. This kind of moral support is badly needed.
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It would be Nevill's blood.
I say could and you say would. Gee Adam I wish I possessed such supernatural powers.
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Thanks Adam. It's good that you're giving some forum members the 'hard word'. This kind of moral support is badly needed.
What are you thanking me for?
Prat.
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What are you thanking me for?
Prat.
Thanks Adam. I need to take this on board.
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Could this unidentified blood in the kitchen belong to June?
No. This blood trail led to Nevils body.
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No. This blood trail led to Nevils body.
Can you provide a source for this information. Thanks.
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I say could and you say would. Gee Adam I wish I possessed such supernatural powers.
Do you not believe all the blood in the kitchen was Nevill's?
June did not call for an ambulance after the police arrived. There is no evidence an injured June went downstairs, then back upstairs. The bullet casing evidence is she was shot 5 times in bed and then twice on the bedroom floor.
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Do you not believe all the blood in the kitchen was Nevill's?
June did not call for an ambulance after the police arrived. There is no evidence an injured June went downstairs, then back upstairs. The bullet casing evidence is she was shot 5 times in bed and then twice on the bedroom floor.
No I do not because we do not have blood test results for the kitchen.
It is just as easy to move bullet casings as it is to swap bullets and burn evidence that proves the crime scene was manipulated. I will not answer any more of your questions. I have set out clearly what I believe. You are entitled to believe what you wish but I do not see why I should reply to your questions ad nauseam just to give you more posts on the forum. I find you extremely irritating and wish you well but you bring nothing to the table but repeated statements and gish gallops. Please waste someone else's time.
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No I do not because we do not have blood test results for the kitchen.
It is just as easy to move bullet casings as it is to swap bullets and burn evidence that proves the crime scene was manipulated. I will not answer any more of your questions. I have set out clearly what I believe. You are entitled to believe what you wish but I do not see why I should reply to your questions ad nauseam just to give you more posts on the forum. I find you extremely irritating and wish you well but you bring nothing to the table but repeated statements and gish gallops. Please waste someone else's time.
We have the evidence that Nevill enteted the kitchen after being shot 4 times upstairs. Then was violently beaten, shot 4 more times, moved and burnt.
I have never seen anyone else suggest blood in the kitchen could be June's. But no harm in thinking outside the box.
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I believe the blood in the kitchen can only be Nevill's, due to the improbability of blood transference.
I do not see how the blood in the kitchen could be June's, given the evidence we have in the master bedroom.
The blood need not be Sheila's, even if she is the killer, and we currently have no expert findings that she was injured in a struggle. Furthermore, had Nevill struggled with her in that manner in the kitchen, it seems to me doubtful that she would have committed the massacre. Nevill would have overcome her. The theory that Sheila is the killer rests on Nevill not making that attempt and Sheila not having been injured prior to shooting herself or being shot - which, again, is consistent with the evidence, whether the killer is Jeremy or Sheila.
While Adam is certainly a troll, it has to be acknowledged that a lot of what he says is correct.
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I believe the blood in the kitchen can only be Nevill's, due to the improbability of blood transference.
I do not see how the blood in the kitchen could be June's, given the evidence we have in the master bedroom.
The blood need not be Sheila's, even if she is the killer, and we currently have no expert findings that she was injured in a struggle. Furthermore, had Nevill struggled with her in that manner in the kitchen, it seems to me doubtful that she would have committed the massacre. Nevill would have overcome her. The theory that Sheila is the killer rests on Nevill not making that attempt and Sheila not having been injured prior to shooting herself or being shot - which, again, is consistent with the evidence, whether the killer is Jeremy or Sheila.
While Adam is certainly a troll, it has to be acknowledged that a lot of what he says is correct.
You could not resist having an unprovoked dig at me. At the end of a serious post.
Prat.
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It would be " correct " if JB was the killer, but as it happens, he isn't ! Tough luck.
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QC I know you are a man who chooses his words with care.
See his Steeple Times post.
I do not see how the blood in the kitchen could be June's, given the evidence we have in the master bedroom.
This sentence presupposes that the evidence we have in the bedroom is a true reflection of how the police found it on the day, free from any manipulation and staging.
Using the master bedroom scene to say blood in the kitchen cannot be June’s is ridiculous. She could have been wounded downstairs or gone downstairs at some point and then returned upstairs. Do not forget there were three ways to move between the ground and first floor.
The EP narrative relies on no evidence of June’ s blood outside the bedroom or it falls.
There are some physical aspects of the scene I would ask readers to consider. Most I have outlined in earlier posts.
1 Why is there no large pool of blood around June’s head as might be expected if she received two head shots?
2 Why is the door to the box room open in some pictures and closed in others?
3 Why are there no depressions in the electric blanket as might be expected if June had walked around the bed?
4 Why is Sheila laying on what looks for all the world like a Toilet mat?
5 Why does blood on the pillow seem to signify a head shot.?
6 Why can I see what appears to be a join in the floorboards beneath June’s bedside table?
7 Why are there a pair of socks on the mat on which Sheila lies? They are clearly too small to be Nevill’s never mind the colour.
8 What is the purpose of the long shaggy mat between the bed and the wardrobe?
There are other non-physical questions that need explaining.
Why did PV refer to the scene as being staged?
Further he said that for JB to have killed and staged Sheila in the manner displayed she would have to have been drugged. I believe I am right in saying that no drugs outside her normal medication were found.
Why did they even need an electric blanket in summer even though they had a duvet and over cover on the bed in the first place and the window was open
Why was the under bed sheet (DRH45) sampled yet remains conspicuous by its absence on JH’s samples for testing list? Given QC’s comments about deciding what was needed and burning the rest why did they select this item and then not test it? The answer is the same as the other items listed in my what to test post. Which became necessary when they were forced or decided to frame JB.
June has also been staged. How anyone can believe that with two headshots a body would end up in such a position beggars’ belief. She was staged like this because they had to come up with a reason for the large amount of elapsed time between finding the first two bodies and the remaining casualties. The time I refer to as the ‘Shitting themselves’ period.
They came up with the stealthy approach and mirrors on sticks scenario. They staged her so that her hand could be viewed from outside the bedroom.
I have documentary proof that the items burned on the day were a case exhibit collected on the day and were all part of DB2 Fire Debris.
QC has to conjure up other possibilities like cutting pieces from items. In some sense he is insulting our intelligence. If this were the case, they would have individual exhibit numbers. And if Bird photographed them we would have had pictures for the defence to see. Maybe he did but they have been withheld.
The argument with Adam over this was that If they were the work of JB the prosecution would have used this at trial. It would have provided evidence suggesting that he was cleaning up after the deed. They were burnt on the day and were never part of the wholesale burning carried out on the Wednesday if my memory serves me right.
He cannot see that the bedroom scene including shooting bullets into pillows was all part of the cover up. They had to do a good enough of a job to exonerate themselves from an external enquiry. They had also made a catastrophic mistake. They had either acted too late or shot an innocent farmers wife. They never envisaged that the case would end up with the malicious prosecution of JB and a level of intense examination.
Which is why they have to rely on propaganda books and TV programmes to promulgate their false narrative. A narrative I say they have forfeited
I am not a charlatan. I would not seek to mislead when it comes to freeing JB. I just hope that my arguments figure in the CCRC submission.
DB2 is enough in my book to say the conviction is unsafe.
I bet QC has a sore bum sitting on the fence all this time.
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'This sentence presupposes that the evidence we have in the bedroom is a true reflection of how the police found it on the day, free from any manipulation and staging'.
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There is no evidence the police staged the crime scene. In the short time scale to them prior to the photographer arriving.
The police called for an ambulance.
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A number of years ago I can remember Jeremy having been told by an officer ( don't know who ) that there'd been a large pool of blood in the kitchen at the base of a dresser/ cabinet/ cupboard. I haven't heard anything else about it since, someone would have to speak to Jeremy about it.
I'd always been puzzled about where or who it had come from. A wild guess would be a head wound, but no pool of blood was on the floor where Nevill was as it had appeared to have been in the coal scuttle as Bubo had mentioned, a lot of blood is apparent with a head injury.
I have also added my bit over the years that there'd been a large Chinese rug, similar to the one in Sheila's bedroom, which also covered most of the main bedroom originally and had been included in the burning of items as I'd have said it would have been saturated in blood and would have trodden in everywhere if left.
The rug underneath Sheila would have been put there to save any more soiling to the floor covering which was underneath the Chinese carpet, being of a paler colour.
Another detail was that Nevil's slippers were beneath Sheila's bed. Had Sheila used them when she'd wandered down to the kitchen. I don't expect that they were tested.
On the back of the main bedroom door is blood-staining as though someone has brushed against it leaving a brush-stroke effect. Was June initially propped up against the door ? Or when moving her, did an officer happen to have blood on his clothing and brushed against it ?
Why did June and one of the boys have hits between their eyes and not all of them ? Why were these two singled out and what was the purpose of doing so ?
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'A number of years ago I can remember Jeremy having been told by an officer ( don't know who ) that there'd been a large pool of blood in the kitchen at the base of a dresser/ cabinet/ cupboard'.
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Can always rely on Lookout to provide good sources.
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Of course you can ! The said information was told to JB on the night after the murders.