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Offline Bubo bubo

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Did June make it to the phone
« on: July 12, 2021, 12:54:PM »
I have already written extensively on this subject and the logs. My view until recently was that without tapes or transcripts it cannot be proved. However I did outline a circumstance where a 999 call to Bonnet was abandoned and discussed how this might be handled. I suggested that this call could not be cancelled without first gaining the number from which it originated.

I now see that the CT are suggesting that a further call was made around 06.09, on the log maintained by the operative who had the curious way of writing a zero i.e. struck through. It talks about moving a 999 call to create a direct link with the control room. Could this be the original 03.2? approx call from Nevill which was left off the hook and monitored? I know it was a long time to leave it but it was the only way the police had of knowing what might be happening inside the farm. It was also this same police operative that added the WHF number to the Bonnet log. This would probably become available at shift transfer. In other words it was not a new call just the original being switched. Did June try to get to this line as previously suggested as they wanted to talk to her from Chelmsford Control where events were being co-ordinated?

Additionally I would like to suggest that it may have been June using or trying to use the abandoned 999 call line or signalling which precipitated the summoning of Ambulances to the scene. Was she shot again while attempting to use this line? I have seen no evidence or statements as to how the Ambulance Service was activated and it does not appear in any of the logs. My guess would be that this was done via HQ. I believe the timeline from the ‘in conversation’ log entry to the 999 link being switched at 06.09 supports these suggestions.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2021, 03:30:PM »
Additionally I would like to suggest that it may have been June using or trying to use the abandoned 999 call line or signalling which precipitated the summoning of Ambulances to the scene.

There was no ambulance call from within the farm. I am not sure if the CT are even still claiming this nonsense.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2021, 03:51:PM »
June was shot 5 times in bed. Then shot two more times on the floor a few minutes later.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2021, 04:49:PM »
There was no ambulance call from within the farm. I am not sure if the CT are even still claiming this nonsense.

On what basis is it nonsense? Somebody must have requested the ambulance attendance. Given that entry had not been made who summoned them and on what basis?

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2021, 04:52:PM »
June was shot 5 times in bed. Then shot two more times on the floor a few minutes later.
I refuse to answer your question. You have not proved June was shot in bed and you are refusing to take into account my observations. Just because the police say this is so does not make it the truth. Given that they swapped bullets, to make it a one gun crime and burnt evidence on the day, their word counts for nothing.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2021, 05:34:PM »
On what basis is it nonsense? Somebody must have requested the ambulance attendance. Given that entry had not been made who summoned them and on what basis?


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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2021, 05:58:PM »
I refuse to answer your question. You have not proved June was shot in bed and you are refusing to take into account my observations. Just because the police say this is so does not make it the truth. Given that they swapped bullets, to make it a one gun crime and burnt evidence on the day, their word counts for nothing.

Yes it has been proven. You have no evidence to show that evidence on this subject is fake.

By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2021, 06:00:PM »
June was shot 5 times in bed. Then shot two more times on the floor a few minutes later.





How was it that drips of blood belonging to June were found beneath the window of the box-room----where the rifle was spotted ?

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2021, 06:05:PM »






Can a duty sergeant also be an inspector ? Which was he to be ?

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2021, 06:06:PM »
There is nothing wrong with my brain and my response was not directed at you. I just disagree with the notion that the only possibility is that June was shot in bed. You can produce graphics showing June levitating or evidence from discredited witnesses but the fact remains that the police staged the crime scene for their own purposes and for this reason other logical avenues as to what happened are valid. You can disagree but it does not invalidate them.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2021, 06:14:PM »
June was shot 5 times in bed while asleep after Bamber entered the bedroom. As the crime scene photos & COA state.

She was able to crawl a few feet while Bamber was downstairs.  Then received two more shots while on the floor. Either would have been quickly fatal.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2021, 06:32:PM »


I am well aware that a link was established. It still does not answer the question of who summoned the ambulances. We have all manner of logs showing requests for people to attend, vehicles despatched as well as the responses to those requests. In siege situations it is nearly always the case that those outside be they police or trained negotiators to try to make contact with persons inside the premises.

We know that the police used a loud hailer to make contact though we do not know the detail of any requests made or the information imparted. We know it was met with no response. It is perfectly possible that June may not have been able to respond at that time without putting herself in more danger or because of injuries received. That does not mean that the situation inside did not change in order for her to attempt a means of contact some time later. Say while Sheila was otherwise distracted or in the shower.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2021, 06:38:PM »
June was shot 5 times in bed while asleep after Bamber entered the bedroom. As the crime scene photos & COA state.

She was able to crawl a few feet while Bamber was downstairs.  Then received two more shots while on the floor. Either would have been quickly fatal.




June didn't die in the boxroom.

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2021, 07:00:PM »
the fact remains that the police staged the crime scene for their own purposes

What evidence is there to establish this "fact"?

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2021, 07:09:PM »



June didn't die in the boxroom.

Didn't say she did.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.