Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: ngb1066 on February 08, 2020, 11:42:PM
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Breaking news. I make no comment on this at this stage.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285
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Breaking news. I make no comment on this at this stage.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285
“Brett Collins broke his silence for the first time in over three decades”
Not for the first time in five years then?
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“The idea that his sister would shoot the family, put the silencer away in the cupboard, and then shoot herself is just crazy.”
Seems he has been influenced by info outside his own experience.
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how can breet know wether the face inthe window was real or not he wasnt there.
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how can breet know wether the face inthe window was real or not he wasnt there.
The point was that Jeremy didn't continue to mention it until he realized others were falling for it.
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Breaking news. I make no comment on this at this stage.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285
Whyever not? One suspects because it has dealt a mortal blow to you and your ilk's campaign.
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So he has had 35 years to come out with this
The JB gravy train
Brett Collins allegedly is as ‘honest’ as Mugford
Has Brett Collins ever been involved in any illegal practices ?
What’s his financial position now and was he paid for ‘the’ interview?
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It's really interesting to see him now! He said at the time that Jeremy wouldn't have the guts to kill his family, or words to that effect. He has provided an insight into Jeremy's character though.
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So he has had 35 years to come out with this
The JB gravy train
Brett Collins allegedly is as ‘honest’ as Mugford
Has Brett Collins ever been involved in any illegal practices ?
What’s his financial position now and was he paid for ‘the’ interview?
Jackie how many witnesses are you and the Campaign Team going to rubbish before the shocking truth finally sinks in: Brett Collins, Colin Caffell, Julie Smerchanski, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour, Liz Rimington, James Richards..
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I haven't seen anybody dressed in doc martens since 1985..https://youtu.be/2Ttsa4__Ewk
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Don't you think it's interesting to see people years after something like this? I always expect them to look the same age as back then. :))
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Don't you think it's interesting to see people years after something like this? I always expect them to look the same age as back then. :))
He looks rather uncouth to me. I suppose we shouldn't judge a book by its cover. It is summer there, but still quite ridiculous garb.
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I'd like to hear more of his side of the story. Did he and Jeremy try to sell pics of Sheila to The Sun? He seems quite disgusted at Jeremy's love of money now.
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Jackie how many witnesses are you and the Campaign Team going to rubbish before the shocking truth finally sinks in: Brett Collins, Colin Caffell, Julie Smerchanski, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour, Liz Rimington, James Richards..
I will rubbish anyone that gets paid to give a completely different character assassination when there is no money involved.
Of course Julie will speak up now, how bad does she come across in the drama
You know and I know she should NEVER had been allowed to work with children
Do you think Julie should have been allowed to work with children?
Let’s have a little bet and see if Brett Collins got paid for his interview
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Jackie how many witnesses are you and the Campaign Team going to rubbish before the shocking truth finally sinks in: Brett Collins, Colin Caffell, Julie Smerchanski, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour, Liz Rimington, James Richards..
One for you Steve
No money involved
Timothy Ernest
I worked with Jeremy many years ago and I got to know him very well through this job. To me he spoke about farming a lot and seemed to enjoy it and wanted to develop the way that the farm worked, he wanted to use new technology at the time to further the business. To be truthful I think this work was just light relief for him, never did I think that he took it seriously or preferred it to farming. He was never flash with money but was hardly ever short of it.
I spent time with him at his cottage in Goldhanger, he was the sort of person who always had time for me, and I visited White House Farm and met his family a couple of times. I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I
thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view. Never did Jeremy come across as angry in my presence and never did he speak badly of any person especially his parents and always seemed very appreciative of what they had done for him.
I was reeling with shock from what had happened at White House Farm and none of it made sense. I came to question myself about whether I really knew Jeremy because of the things said about him by other people, my gut instincts were that he hadn’t committed the murders and the way I had felt about Julie always remained the same and was compounded by her media interviews. The reports in the press seemed so overwhelming at the time. People felt afraid to stand up for Jeremy fearing such association would blacken their character but I knew a number of people who held the same beliefs as myself but did nothing.
I didn’t contact Jeremy again until many years later, I found him welcoming and I enjoyed the same warmth of character in his letters. I feel regret that I turned my back for so many years and this testimony is my way of saying I’m sorry Jeremy I should have spoken for you sooner. I know you are innocent and always did.
Timothy
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One for you Steve
No money involved
Timothy Ernest
I worked with Jeremy many years ago and I got to know him very well through this job. To me he spoke about farming a lot and seemed to enjoy it and wanted to develop the way that the farm worked, he wanted to use new technology at the time to further the business. To be truthful I think this work was just light relief for him, never did I think that he took it seriously or preferred it to farming. He was never flash with money but was hardly ever short of it.
I spent time with him at his cottage in Goldhanger, he was the sort of person who always had time for me, and I visited White House Farm and met his family a couple of times. I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I
thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view. Never did Jeremy come across as angry in my presence and never did he speak badly of any person especially his parents and always seemed very appreciative of what they had done for him.
I was reeling with shock from what had happened at White House Farm and none of it made sense. I came to question myself about whether I really knew Jeremy because of the things said about him by other people, my gut instincts were that he hadn’t committed the murders and the way I had felt about Julie always remained the same and was compounded by her media interviews. The reports in the press seemed so overwhelming at the time. People felt afraid to stand up for Jeremy fearing such association would blacken their character but I knew a number of people who held the same beliefs as myself but did nothing.
I didn’t contact Jeremy again until many years later, I found him welcoming and I enjoyed the same warmth of character in his letters. I feel regret that I turned my back for so many years and this testimony is my way of saying I’m sorry Jeremy I should have spoken for you sooner. I know you are innocent and always did.
Timothy
I would like to speak to Timothy Ernest. Your Jeremy has made a mistake, a fatal mistake which may have been out of character but which nevertheless has caused decades of heartache, grief and unhappiness for several individuals affected by his diabolical actions one August morning in 1985. This anguish is being sustained on a daily basis by Jeremy refusing to confront what he has done.
On a personal note I do think that victims of any form of abuse should be believed and it's desperately sad that he was raped as a teenager, if true.
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I would like to speak to Timothy Ernest. Your Jeremy has made a mistake, a fatal mistake which has caused decades of heartache, grief and unhappiness for several individuals affected by his diabolical actions one August morning in 1985. This anguish is being sustained on a daily basis by Jeremy refusing to confront what he has done.
On a personal note I do think that victims of any form of abuse should be believed and it's desperately sad that he was raped as a teenager, if true.
I don't think anyone has had decades of heartache, grief, and unhappiness, except perhaps Colin. That wouldn't change even if Jeremy confessed. All the others have got on with their lives. I must say that hardly anyone connected with this business appeared to have much in the way of feelings of grief, or any kind of feelings at all really.
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How dare you.
He has never been my Jeremy
I have only ever written to Jeremy or spoken to him on the phone
How about the pain Julie has caused by her lies. Her threats to Jeremy she wanted him dead. Her desperate unhinged behaviour.
Keep up with the low blows because it makes you sound pathetic.
I have spoken to people who worked with Jeremy and went to school with Jeremy and formed my own opinion on the case. Go running back to your Julie and tell her that I was not fooled by her lies for a second and it’s her own fault if she has been worried for the last 35 years of her signed NOW deal coming into the public domain
#rumbled
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How dare you.
He has never been my Jeremy
I have only ever written to Jeremy or spoken to him on the phone
How about the pain Julie has caused by her lies. Her threats to Jeremy she wanted him dead. Her desperate unhinged behaviour.
Keep up with the low blows because it makes you sound pathetic.
I have spoken to people who worked with Jeremy and went to school with Jeremy and formed my own opinion on the case. Go running back to your Julie and tell her that I was not fooled by her lies for a second and it’s her own fault if she has been worried for the last 35 years of her signed NOW deal coming into the public domain
#rumbled
Your Jeremy refers to Timothy Ernest.
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I don't think anyone has had decades of heartache, grief, and unhappiness, except perhaps Colin. That wouldn't change even if Jeremy confessed. All the others have got on with their lives. I must say that hardly anyone connected with this business appeared to have much in the way of feelings of grief, or any kind of feelings at all really.
Well I hope Colin has got on with his life too. Ann Eaton's children were reported to have had nightmares, even if the relatives themselves weren't affected, which is really only speculation.
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Mmm, the gravy train is lengthening I see.
" Grabbing handfuls of money ?". JB already had a couple of thousand in his bank. There was an untouched wallet and handbags which remained at WHF until they were removed " for safe keeping " and a safe that hadn't previously been opened until the relatives arrived at the farmhouse.
This is another character with a less than squeaky-clean background looking to swell the coffers of his retirement fund.
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Interesting article.
Brett would have suspected Bamber was guilty. But not his business. As a young man he couldn't resist the temptation of the free jolly ups on offer.
Now where exactly is that beach in St Tropez?
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'His legal team are mounting an appeal based in part on claims the real killer was inside the house and a rifle was seen at a window while he was outside talking to police.'
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Maybe the CT have a recording of Sheila's 999 call.
Thought the rifle by the window was photographed after the raid team had entered WHF. Probably the murder weapon which had been taken off Sheila when the bodies were moved. Or another weapon.
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Well I hope Colin has got on with his life too. Ann Eaton's children were reported to have had nightmares, even if the relatives themselves weren't affected, which is really only speculation.
Ann Eaton's children went to live at White House Farm with their parents, and that's not Jeremy's fault. I don't think having nightmares as a kid causes you decades of grief.
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'His legal team are mounting an appeal based in part on claims the real killer was inside the house and a rifle was seen at a window while he was outside talking to police.'
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Maybe the CT have a recording of Sheila's 999 call.
Thought the rifle by the window was photographed after the raid team had entered WHF. Probably the murder weapon which had been taken off Sheila when the bodies were moved. Or another weapon.
The alleged rifle at the window was supposedly in the small box room between the main bedroom and the twins' room, as reported by Julia Jeapes.
The alleged movement in a window is confusing. One minute it's in that box room, and the next it's in the main bedroom.
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Jeremy has been bamboozled yet again by another nasty piece of work. If it hadn't been for this scoundrel, JB would not have been weighing up what to sell at auctions because he wouldn't have had a clue. JB has been the fall guy for most in this case and it's truly despicable the way he's been treated.
It's getting rather too obvious now after all these years that everyone is suddenly jumping on the money-making bandwagon----on the backs of 5 murdered people !!
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Mmm, the gravy train is lengthening I see.
" Grabbing handfuls of money ?". JB already had a couple of thousand in his bank. There was an untouched wallet and handbags which remained at WHF until they were removed " for safe keeping " and a safe that hadn't previously been opened until the relatives arrived at the farmhouse.
This is another character with a less than squeaky-clean background looking to swell the coffers of his retirement fund.
Yes. I thought that any money had already been removed by the time Brett got there.
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Interesting article.
Brett would have suspected Bamber was guilty. But not his business. As a young man he couldn't resist the temptation of the free jolly ups on offer.
Now where exactly is that beach in St Tropez?
It's probably Pampelonne, which is really in Ramatuelle village, not that that prevents Joan Collins from showing her tits off at any available opportunity: https://youtu.be/eFC-Ud_W6Cc
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'An older lady sent two bottles over to us and when Jeremy went to the toilet she came over to me and said if I could get him to sleep with her she would buy us both a beautiful dinner.'
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Were they 1973's?
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Jeremy has been bamboozled yet again by another nasty piece of work. If it hadn't been for this scoundrel, JB would not have been weighing up what to sell at auctions because he wouldn't have had a clue. JB has been the fall guy for most in this case and it's truly despicable the way he's been treated.
It's getting rather too obvious now after all these years that everyone is suddenly jumping on the money-making bandwagon----on the backs of 5 murdered people !!
Maybe that's why he brought him back to Essex, until he was dumped when the heirlooms had been sold and he had outlived his uselessness.
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An older lady. She must have been at least 34 - that's ancient! ;D
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Maybe that's why he brought him back to Essex, until he was dumped when the heirlooms had been sold and he had outlived his uselessness.
Brett didn't say he was dumped. He said that after the conviction he tossed all the photos he had of him and Jeremy because he didn't want to think about it any more.
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Well I hope Colin has got on with his life too. Ann Eaton's children were reported to have had nightmares, even if the relatives themselves weren't affected, which is really only speculation.
I’m not surprised Anne Eaton’s children had nightmares moving into a house that hadn’t been cleaned and still had blood from the tragedy on view
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Yes. I thought that any money had already been removed by the time Brett got there.
The relatives took it for safe-keeping, a bit like Princess Diana and Paul Burrell really..
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I wonder who'll be the next shyster to come forward with cap in hand and a huge proboscis ??
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It's probably Pampelonne, which is really in Ramatuelle village, not that that prevents Joan Collins from showing her tits off at any available opportunity: https://youtu.be/eFC-Ud_W6Cc
I'm there. With my knife & fork.
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Brett would have been approached and offerred a fee. He has got quite a big part in the drama. Or maybe he approached the press.
However nothing was stopping him saying he believed Bamber was innocent or he was unsure.
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Jeremy has been bamboozled yet again by another nasty piece of work. If it hadn't been for this scoundrel, JB would not have been weighing up what to sell at auctions because he wouldn't have had a clue. JB has been the fall guy for most in this case and it's truly despicable the way he's been treated.
It's getting rather too obvious now after all these years that everyone is suddenly jumping on the money-making bandwagon----on the backs of 5 murdered people !!
It’s almost unbelievable. I could expect it of Brett Collins but was shocked by Colin but he was hardly known for his integrity
Julie Mugford and Brett Collins were two of the closest people to Jeremy, need I say more.
Julie Mugford will now be on a damage limitation exercise if the drama is available in Canada. I expect some people she worked with didn’t have a clue.
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Brett would have been approached and offerred a fee. He has got quite a big part in the drama. Or maybe he approached the press.
However nothing was stopping him saying he believed Bamber was innocent or he was unsure.
This is surely the final nail in the coffin for Jeremy Bamber. It might even stop Trudi Benjamin from turning up outside Colin Caffell's Cornwall cottage and reading Sheila's medical notes out loud through the letterbox with a megaphone.
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I’m not surprised Anne Eaton’s children had nightmares moving into a house that hadn’t been cleaned and still had blood from the tragedy on view
Yes. Also, Ann took her daughter with her to the farm on 12th August. That's not Jeremy's fault.
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Yes. Also, Ann took her daughter with her to the farm on 12th August. That's not Jeremy's fault.
But it was four years until they finally moved in.
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It’s almost unbelievable. I could expect it of Brett Collins but was shocked by Colin but he was hardly known for his integrity
Julie Mugford and Brett Collins were two of the closest people to Jeremy, need I say more.
Julie Mugford will now be on a damage limitation exercise if the drama is available in Canada. I expect some people she worked with didn’t have a clue.
Jackie who carried out the murders?
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But it was four years until they finally moved in.
When her daughter was 12 or 13 then - still a child.
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Why is it that guilters have stepped up a gear this last couple of weeks ??
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When her daughter was 12 or 13 then - still a child.
Yes but the house went with the job. You can't blame them for that.
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Why is it that guilters have stepped up a gear this last couple of weeks ??
I think because of the realization of the scale of Colin's loss and what might have been for all concerned.
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I think the article is interesting, and it's interesting to see photos of Brett, but there's no real news there. He said some of that stuff in his interview way back then. The story of what went on in St Tropez doesn't add anything to whether Jeremy is guilty or not. It kind of does show that Jeremy was a bit of a "ladies man", but hey ...
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I think because of the realization of the scale of Colin's loss and what might have been for all concerned.
What about Sheila's loss when he took on another woman ?? Sheila must have been devastated.
C'mon, there have been a few recent cases where depressed mothers have killed their children out of rage because of separation issues, by delivering their ultimate blow towards/ against these so-called fathers who walk out on them knowing that what they've done will forever live with their partners.
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I think the article is interesting, and it's interesting to see photos of Brett, but there's no real news there. He said some of that stuff in his interview way back then. The story of what went on in St Tropez doesn't add anything to whether Jeremy is guilty or not. It kind of does show that Jeremy was a bit of a "ladies man", but hey ...
No real news?
There is a beach in St Tropez where older women approach men with two bottles & dinner offers. The CT kept that quiet.
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No real news?
There is a beach in St Tropez where older women approach men with two bottles & dinner offers. The CT kept that quiet.
Whose business is that for God's sake ?
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No real news?
There is a beach in St Tropez where older women approach men with two bottles & dinner offers. The CT kept that quiet.
Is that news? I thought it was always like that there. ;D
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Adam is planning a trip to St Tropez as we speak. ;D
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What about Sheila's loss when he took on another woman ?? Sheila must have been devastated.
C'mon, there have been a few recent cases where depressed mothers have killed their children out of rage because of separation issues, by delivering their ultimate blow towards/ against these so-called fathers who walk out on them knowing that what they've done will forever live with their partners.
But he left the children in her care, not realizing it was beyond her. I'm sorry but the suspicion in my mind now is that the Jeremy supporters are willing to campaign for the release of Jeremy Bamber on a technicality knowing full well that he shot two six-year-old boys multiple times in the head.
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BC shifted quick enough as though his behind was on fire when he flew off to Greece. Whose money was that he'd used ?
Remember how adamant he was on his return about JB's innocence ? Even going to the newspapers ?
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But he left the children in her care, not realizing it was beyond her. I'm sorry but the suspicion in my mind now is that the Jeremy supporters are willing to campaign for the release of Jeremy Bamber on a technicality knowing full well that he shot two six-year-old boys multiple times in the head.
JB vowed it would never be a technicality--------he didn't shoot anyone and will one day prove it.
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JB vowed it would never be a technicality--------he didn't shoot anyone and will one day prove it.
Better late than never.
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BC shifted quick enough as though his behind was on fire when he flew off to Greece. Whose money was that he'd used ?
Remember how adamant he was on his return about JB's innocence ? Even going to the newspapers ?
I was not around. Kindly enlighten me.
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Storm Ciara is hitting Manchester now, a deluge of rain even for this city.
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Adam is planning a trip to St Tropez as we speak. ;D
Bow tie in suitcase. Want to look dapper at my dinner.
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I was not around. Kindly enlighten me.
He was out of the country in Mykonos when the murders occurred, and had a stamp in his passport to prove it.
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He was out of the country in Mykonos when the murders occurred, and had a stamp in his passport to prove it.
I know. I was asking about Brett going to the newspapers about Jeremy's innocence.
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Storm Ciara is hitting Manchester now, a deluge of rain even for this city.
Bad here on the Mersey coast. I thought someone was tapping on the window before----it was hailstones.
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Jackie who carried out the murders?
Sheila.
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It was pay-back time in Sheila's mind that night----without a doubt.
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It had to be that night because Colin would have been picking up the twins next day ready for their trip to Norway---along with their dad's girlfriend leaving Sheila at the mercy of her mother and a dad who'd decided to give all his support to his wife.
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It had to be that night because Colin would have been picking up the twins next day ready for their trip to Norway---along with their dad's girlfriend leaving Sheila at the mercy of her mother and a dad who'd decided to give all his support to his wife.
It had to be that night because it was the first time since Christmas 1982 that the whole family had been together under one roof. It's why Jeremy quizzed Colin at the party as to the whereabouts of the twins the following week, suggesting that the crime was deliberate, premeditated, cold-blooded murder.
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Jackie who carried out the murders?
Sheila
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It had to be that night because Colin would have been picking up the twins next day ready for their trip to Norway---along with their dad's girlfriend leaving Sheila at the mercy of her mother and a dad who'd decided to give all his support to his wife.
Interesting.
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It had to be that night because it was the first time since Christmas 1982 that the whole family had been together under one roof. It's why Jeremy quizzed Colin at the party as to the whereabouts of the twins the following week, suggesting that the crime was deliberate, premeditated, cold-blooded murder.
Interesting.
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It had to be that night because it was the first time since Christmas 1982 that the whole family had been together under one roof. It's why Jeremy quizzed Colin at the party as to the whereabouts of the twins the following week, suggesting that the crime was deliberate, premeditated, cold-blooded murder.
RWB also knew they were all at WHF too when Pamela rang June that night. Strange how his blood-group was identical to Sheila's.
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Go and read the telephone directory Adam ::)
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RWB also knew they were all at WHF too when Pamela rang June that night. Strange how his blood-group was identical to Sheila's.
Yes but John Hayward's assertion that "there was a lot of blood in the silencer" suggests the notion the Defence floated at trial of Robert Boutflour putting droplets of blood in a silencer via a finger was a non-starter.
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It had to be that night because Colin would have been picking up the twins next day ready for their trip to Norway---along with their dad's girlfriend leaving Sheila at the mercy of her mother and a dad who'd decided to give all his support to his wife.
Colin said they were to be there for a week though.
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It had to be that night because it was the first time since Christmas 1982 that the whole family had been together under one roof. It's why Jeremy quizzed Colin at the party as to the whereabouts of the twins the following week, suggesting that the crime was deliberate, premeditated, cold-blooded murder.
Where did you get that from?
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Jeremy liked to provoke a reaction, possibly due to the feeling that his parents were remote emotionally. There's an anecdote in Clare Powell's book of him using Julie to sweet-talk a man at a party, whereupon the former sprang out from some hidey-hole and confronted the couple. It's why he enjoyed the murder of his parents, why he enjoyed the attention of Brett, and why now he basks in the glory of his notoriety, influencing periodically the newbies and the diehard supporters alike as they suggest this or that future strategy, whilst knowing all along he will be incarcerated justly for his crimes for the remainder of his natural life.
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Where did you get that from?
It's in Colin's book.
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It's in Colin's book.
I would query that. You mean that Sheila and the twins had not stayed overnight since Christmas 1982?
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Colin said they were to be there for a week though.
I thought the twins were going to be collected on the Thursday.
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Yes but John Hayward's assertion that "there was a lot of blood in the silencer" suggests the notion the Defence floated at trial of Robert Boutflour putting droplets of blood in a silencer via a finger was a non-starter.
We never did find out about RWB's cut finger did we ?
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I thought the twins were going to be collected on the Thursday.
I don't know. In one statement he said a week, and in another he said a few days.
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I would query that. You mean that Sheila and the twins had not stayed overnight since Christmas 1982?
Well the point is not specifically elicited but that previous occasion was alluded to. Since I am stuck inside today I will peruse the book once more.
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Jackie who carried out the murders?
Sheila
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Jeremy liked to provoke a reaction, possibly due to the feeling that his parents were remote emotionally. There's an anecdote in Clare Powell's book of him using Julie to sweet-talk a man at a party, whereupon the former sprang out from some hidey-hole and confronted the couple. It's why he enjoyed the murder of his parents, why he enjoyed the attention of Brett, and why now he basks in the glory of his notoriety, influencing periodically the newbies and the diehard supporters alike as they suggest this or that future strategy, whilst knowing all along he will be incarcerated justly for his crimes for the remainder of his natural life.
Stop Press Steve believes everything he reads in newspapers and books
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Jeremy liked to provoke a reaction, possibly due to the feeling that his parents were remote emotionally. There's an anecdote in Clare Powell's book of him using Julie to sweet-talk a man at a party, whereupon the former sprang out from some hidey-hole and confronted the couple. It's why he enjoyed the murder of his parents, why he enjoyed the attention of Brett, and why now he basks in the glory of his notoriety, influencing periodically the newbies and the diehard supporters alike as they suggest this or that future strategy, whilst knowing all along he will be incarcerated justly for his crimes for the remainder of his natural life.
What do you mean? Julie did have a mind of her own you know. I'm a bit tired of hearing about her as if she was a complete doormat.
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It was Julie's streetwise actions that have landed Jeremy where he is. She is certainly not without blame in many ways. How hardfaced can one be ??
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What do you mean? Julie did have a mind of her own you know. I'm a bit tired of hearing about her as if she was a complete doormat.
She doted on him for the most part, acted as ersatz mother and confidante, did his laundry and decorated the house. Yet there was an incident in a supermarket regarding a bar of soap, so she could answer back at times.
Regarding Christmas 1982- this is not the paragraph I was looking for but does confirm Colin had stayed at White House Farm before:
All of a sudden, Ann broke into our thoughts and came in. She said they had thought it better to put the room back the way Bambs had it. Rather than leave it empty, after the twins' beds had been removed, they brought Bambs's old bed back in. "Have you seen this?" asked Ann, pointing out some words scratched into what looked like new paint on the wardrobe door. "I HATE THIS PLACE," it said. I then remembered the police asking me about it, but on seeing those words I felt as if I had seen them before, in the last year or so-probably when I stayed at Christmas, although I couldn't be absolutely sure. I guess Bambs must have written it out of frustration on one of her earlier, more anguished visits. It seemed sad but now quite unimportant.
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I don't know. In one statement he said a week, and in another he said a few days.
I had an idea that it wasn't going to be a long stay as June had requested they see her and Nevill before they go on their holidays.
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But he left the children in her care, not realizing it was beyond her. I'm sorry but the suspicion in my mind now is that the Jeremy supporters are willing to campaign for the release of Jeremy Bamber on a technicality knowing full well that he shot two six-year-old boys multiple times in the head.
What a ridiculous and offensive thing to say.
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Sheila
If Sheila did it, why did Nevill call Jeremy and not 999
If Nevill called Jeremy, and said 'Sheila has gone beserk' or 'Sheila has gone crazy' then that would suggest she hadn't yet shot anybody, otherwise the most likely words would be 'She's shot your mother, or shot me'
If she hadn't yet shot Nevill, it doesn't stack up with the evidence.
If Sheila did it, how did the bible have a mirrored pattern on blood on the inside pages (as occurs when a page is closed whilst wet, to create a mirror pattern. The bible was open, suggesting blood had been spilled, the bible closed, then opened again?
If Sheila did it, why was there such little blood evidence on her? Do you believe the ritual cleansing?
If Sheila did it, why choose to commit suicide in her parents room, rather than alone or with the twins?
If Sheila had gone berserk, why no gunshots at random objects as you might expect from a person out of control? - instead the killings were quite deliberate and execution style. Surely 'gone beserk' would imply some shouting and disturbance.
Either she went crazy with a gun, yet miraculously landed almost every shot only at people, and at close range, OR she was executing them, and was disturbed - in which case, Nevill surely would have phoned 999 and said 'she's killed someone'
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If Sheila did it, why did Nevill call Jeremy and not 999
If Nevill called Jeremy, and said 'Sheila has gone beserk' or 'Sheila has gone crazy' then that would suggest she hadn't yet shot anybody, otherwise the most likely words would be 'She's shot your mother, or shot me'
If she hadn't yet shot Nevill, it doesn't stack up with the evidence.
If Sheila did it, how did the bible have a mirrored pattern on blood on the inside pages (as occurs when a page is closed whilst wet, to create a mirror pattern. The bible was open, suggesting blood had been spilled, the bible closed, then opened again?
If Sheila did it, why was there such little blood evidence on her? Do you believe the ritual cleansing?
If Sheila did it, why choose to commit suicide in her parents room, rather than alone or with the twins?
If Sheila had gone berserk, why no gunshots at random objects as you might expect from a person out of control? - instead the killings were quite deliberate and execution style. Surely 'gone beserk' would imply some shouting and disturbance.
Either she went crazy with a gun, yet miraculously landed almost every shot only at people, and at close range, OR she was executing them, and was disturbed - in which case, Nevill surely would have phoned 999 and said 'she's killed someone'
Quite so.
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There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .
Why now after all these years are some people who have always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?
I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?
Is there something else going on in the background?
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There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .
Why now after all these years are some people who have always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?
I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?
Is there something else going on in the background?
i found that a bit odd as well
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“Brett Collins broke his silence for the first time in over three decades”
Not for the first time in five years then?
No, I think we all know the alleged telephone conversation with Paul Harrison was a load of nonsense (as with a number of of alleged conversations/interviews).
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But he left the children in her care, not realizing it was beyond her. I'm sorry but the suspicion in my mind now is that the Jeremy supporters are willing to campaign for the release of Jeremy Bamber on a technicality knowing full well that he shot two six-year-old boys multiple times in the head.
That is a comment that is well out of order. I for one have always said I would not want jeremy out of a “ technicality “:
For one his life would not be worth living .
You don’t have to stoop so low to make your point .
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Whyever not? One suspects because it has dealt a mortal blow to you and your ilk's campaign.
I made no comment at that stage because as you might have noticed I posted at 11.42 pm, just before going to bed. I had just seen the front page of the Sunday People on the BBC website and posted the link. You resort to your usual snide jibes. How you can suggest this article adds anything meaningful to the case overall beats me and it certainly not deal a mortal blow to any campaign, whether by me or my "ilk", whatever that may mean. You really are thoroughly obnoxious.
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That is a comment that is well out of order. I for one have always said I would not want jeremy out of a “ technicality “:
For one his life would not be worth living .
You don’t have to stoop so low to make your point .
It applies to some members if not others.
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She doted on him for the most part, acted as ersatz mother and confidante, did his laundry and decorated the house. Yet there was an incident in a supermarket regarding a bar of soap, so she could answer back at times.
Regarding Christmas 1982- this is not the paragraph I was looking for but does confirm Colin had stayed at White House Farm before:
All of a sudden, Ann broke into our thoughts and came in. She said they had thought it better to put the room back the way Bambs had it. Rather than leave it empty, after the twins' beds had been removed, they brought Bambs's old bed back in. "Have you seen this?" asked Ann, pointing out some words scratched into what looked like new paint on the wardrobe door. "I HATE THIS PLACE," it said. I then remembered the police asking me about it, but on seeing those words I felt as if I had seen them before, in the last year or so-probably when I stayed at Christmas, although I couldn't be absolutely sure. I guess Bambs must have written it out of frustration on one of her earlier, more anguished visits. It seemed sad but now quite unimportant.
I will explain one thing for you Steve there would have been one thing that would have devastated Sheila more than any else and it would have been Colin’s behaviour towards her. He showed on a number of occasions he did not care about her feelings. Sheila thought she was going to have her own proper little family but Colin had others ideas. It is bad enough for a women to cope with one new baby let alone two. You make sure when discussing Sheila you make it clear Colin had a big part in Sheila anguish. He knew how delicate Sheila was and he let her down. The last thing on Colin’s mind should have been looking after the mother of his children when she was desperately ill and he should have it been looking for another women
That’s anguish right there
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I made no comment at that stage because as you might have noticed I posted at 11.42 pm, just before going to bed. I had just seen the front page of the Sunday People on the BBC website and posted the link. You resort to your usual snide jibes. How you can suggest this article adds anything meaningful to the case overall beats me and it certainly not deal a mortal blow to any campaign, whether by me or my "ilk", whatever that may mean. You really are thoroughly obnoxious.
Do you think the timings of these interviews especially Julie’s is all a bit odd ? Is there something different about this proposed third appeal do you think ?
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I made no comment at that stage because as you might have noticed I posted at 11.42 pm, just before going to bed. I had just seen the front page of the Sunday People on the BBC website and posted the link. You resort to your usual snide jibes. How you can suggest this article adds anything meaningful to the case overall beats me and it certainly not deal a mortal blow to any campaign, whether by me or my "ilk", whatever that may mean. You really are thoroughly obnoxious.
Well why didn't you say you were going to bed instead of pompously remarking that you weren't going to comment at that stage, suggesting that you were going to counter with something worthwhile at a later time?
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Jackie how many witnesses are you and the Campaign Team going to rubbish before the shocking truth finally sinks in: Brett Collins, Colin Caffell, Julie Smerchanski, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour, Liz Rimington, James Richards..
Brett Collins is not a witness. He was a friend and supporter of JB in the period to the end of the trial. His conduct and comments at the time did not give any indication that he believed JB to be guilty. He lost contact with JB and has now surfaced as a result of the ITV drama. No doubt he has been tempted with prospect of making a bit of money. Whether he initiated press contact or was tracked down does not matter. What he has said has no bearing on the question of JB's guilt or innocence. Perhaps he finds it easier now to adopt a guilty stance to avoid the suggestion that he abandoned his friend to his fate when there was no longer any money in it for him.
It is significant that he does not mention the meeting with the Sun journalist.
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So he has had 35 years to come out with this
The JB gravy train
Brett Collins allegedly is as ‘honest’ as Mugford
Has Brett Collins ever been involved in any illegal practices ?
What’s his financial position now and was he paid for ‘the’ interview?
I am sure he has been paid.
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Do you think the timings of these interviews especially Julie’s is all a bit odd ? Is there something different about this proposed third appeal do you think ?
funny the chose to make a drama about the case time theyve had 30 years to do it.
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If Sheila did it, why did Nevill call Jeremy and not 999
If Nevill called Jeremy, and said 'Sheila has gone beserk' or 'Sheila has gone crazy' then that would suggest she hadn't yet shot anybody, otherwise the most likely words would be 'She's shot your mother, or shot me'
If she hadn't yet shot Nevill, it doesn't stack up with the evidence.
If Sheila did it, how did the bible have a mirrored pattern on blood on the inside pages (as occurs when a page is closed whilst wet, to create a mirror pattern. The bible was open, suggesting blood had been spilled, the bible closed, then opened again?
If Sheila did it, why was there such little blood evidence on her? Do you believe the ritual cleansing?
If Sheila did it, why choose to commit suicide in her parents room, rather than alone or with the twins?
If Sheila had gone berserk, why no gunshots at random objects as you might expect from a person out of control? - instead the killings were quite deliberate and execution style. Surely 'gone beserk' would imply some shouting and disturbance.
Either she went crazy with a gun, yet miraculously landed almost every shot only at people, and at close range, OR she was executing them, and was disturbed - in which case, Nevill surely would have phoned 999 and said 'she's killed someone'
We have gone over this a thousand times.
1) Jeremy obviously did not realise how serious things were and
2) the Bambers liked to keep Sheila’s illness hush hush
Jeremy obviously thought ringing the local police might be more discreet
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I will explain one thing for you Steve there would have been one thing that would have devastated Sheila more than any else and it would have been Colin’s behaviour towards her. He showed on a number of occasions he did not care about her feelings. Sheila thought she was going to have her own proper little family but Colin had others ideas. It is bad enough for a women to cope with one new baby let alone two. You make sure when discussing Sheila you make it clear Colin had a big part in Sheila anguish. He knew how delicate Sheila was and he let her down. The last thing on Colin’s mind should have been looking after the mother of his children when she was desperately ill and he should have it been looking for another women
That’s anguish right there
Colin did seek medical treatment for Sheila but Nevill was set on St. Andrew's, Northampton, where his wife had been previously treated. I think one point on which we both could agree is that if one person is throwing objects around the house and will not respond to reason it's better for the spouse to leave the marital home. Colin's sexual antics have been exaggerated anyway: he always loved Sheila and turned out to be her best friend in the short life she experienced, but she was ill and needed the medical treatment which was beyond Colin's wherewithal to furnish.
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Brett Collins is not a witness. He was a friend and supporter of JB in the period to the end of the trial. His conduct and comments at the time did not give any indication that he believed JB to be guilty. He lost contact with JB and has now surfaced as a result of the ITV drama. No doubt he has been tempted with prospect of making a bit of money. Whether he initiated press contact or was tracked down does not matter. What he has said has no bearing on the question of JB's guilt or innocence. Perhaps he finds it easier now to adopt a guilty stance to avoid the suggestion that he abandoned his friend to his fate when there was no longer any money in it for him.
It is significant that he does not mention the meeting with the Sun journalist.
You skirt round the issue yet again! What about all the other individuals willing to stand in the witness box and testify? Do you deny Brett Collins' assertion that Jeremy didn't get along with his parents and why has Jeremy refused to acknowledge the slightest animosity in that regard since the 1986 trial?
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It applies to some members if not others.
It is absurd to suggest it applies to any member.
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There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .
Why now after all these years are some people who have always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?
I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?
Is there something else going on in the background?
I think you are right Jan. just before JB’s last application to appeal was being put forward everything was looking good Jeremy had big help from high profile Solicitors, pro bono highly qualified barrister MWT and Jeremy had been told he had as much time as he needed to put forward his application to the CCRC
Gun tests were going to be carried out in America and then almost immediately all of this help came on board the ccrc shut the case Dow and said JB could nog have anymore time
There is something very wrong here
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Do you think the timings of these interviews especially Julie’s is all a bit odd ? Is there something different about this proposed third appeal do you think ?
I am not sure. I am not any longer in the loop as far as a further appeal is concerned. I am sure things are happening but I am not able to form a view on how far the legal team have got and whether a fresh set of submissions to the CCRC are imminent. All that has been said publicly as far as I am aware is that legal proceedings are underway to compel disclosure of additional documents.
I am not aware of any recent interview with Julie Mugford. Has there been one?
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Well why didn't you say you were going to bed instead of pompously remarking that you weren't going to comment at that stage, suggesting that you were going to counter with something worthwhile at a later time?
You are an idiot.
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You skirt round the issue yet again! What about all the other individuals willing to stand in the witness box and testify? Do you deny Brett Collins' assertion that Jeremy didn't get along with his parents and why has Jeremy refused to acknowledge the slightest animosity in that regard since the 1986 trial?
How well Jeremy got on with his parents is hardly a central issue in the case. As far as individuals other than Brett Collins are concerned, they have nothing to do with this thread which is about the Sunday People front page article about Brett Collins.
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You skirt round the issue yet again! What about all the other individuals willing to stand in the witness box and testify? Do you deny Brett Collins' assertion that Jeremy didn't get along with his parents and why has Jeremy refused to acknowledge the slightest animosity in that regard since the 1986 trial?
Again
One for you Steve
No money involved
Timothy Ernest
I worked with Jeremy many years ago and I got to know him very well through this job. To me he spoke about farming a lot and seemed to enjoy it and wanted to develop the way that the farm worked, he wanted to use new technology at the time to further the business. To be truthful I think this work was just light relief for him, never did I think that he took it seriously or preferred it to farming. He was never flash with money but was hardly ever short of it.
I spent time with him at his cottage in Goldhanger, he was the sort of person who always had time for me, and I visited White House Farm and met his family a couple of times. I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I
thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view. Never did Jeremy come across as angry in my presence and never did he speak badly of any person especially his parents and always seemed very appreciative of what they had done for him.
I was reeling with shock from what had happened at White House Farm and none of it made sense. I came to question myself about whether I really knew Jeremy because of the things said about him by other people, my gut instincts were that he hadn’t committed the murders and the way I had felt about Julie always remained the same and was compounded by her media interviews. The reports in the press seemed so overwhelming at the time. People felt afraid to stand up for Jeremy fearing such association would blacken their character but I knew a number of people who held the same beliefs as myself but did nothing.
I didn’t contact Jeremy again until many years later, I found him welcoming and I enjoyed the same warmth of character in his letters. I feel regret that I turned my back for so many years and this testimony is my way of saying I’m sorry Jeremy I should have spoken for you sooner. I know you are innocent and always did.
Timothy
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There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .
Why now after all these years are some people who have always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?
I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?
Is there something else going on in the background?
I have thought for long enough now whether there is indeed something going on in the background and knowing what happened in the McCann case where a crooked solicitor was touting for money from " non-supporters " of the McCanns----to the tune of £50,000 in order to pay for Amaral's court costs etc when he'd been accused of writing his " book of lies ".
For all any of us know the same collection could be going on to block any forthcoming appeals----if the price is right. There's something fishy ahead since the guilters have increased their discussion a few notches. Authors and so-called witnesses are swarming in like flies.
Looking back, it only took an outsider ( relative ) to complain about JB's prison category to be increased again after it had been reduced, so anything goes, seemingly.
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You are an idiot.
Leaving aside personal comments why do you think Brett Collins has changed his mind about the guilt of Jeremy Bamber when he probably would have received the same payment for reasserting his innocence?
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I have said it before that you are connected to Julie Mugford but you have never said how
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I am not sure. I am not any longer in the loop as far as a further appeal is concerned. I am sure things are happening but I am not able to form a view on how far the legal team have got and whether a fresh set of submissions to the CCRC are imminent. All that has been said publicly as far as I am aware is that legal proceedings are underway to compel disclosure of additional documents.
I am not aware of any recent interview with Julie Mugford. Has there been one?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982223/Girlfriend-evidence-helped-jail-Jeremy-Bamber-White-House-Farm-murders.html
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982223/Girlfriend-evidence-helped-jail-Jeremy-Bamber-White-House-Farm-murders.html
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We have gone over this a thousand times.
1) Jeremy obviously did not realise how serious things were and
2) the Bambers liked to keep Sheila’s illness hush hush
Jeremy obviously thought ringing the local police might be more discreet
You haven't read the questions properly. I will rephrase them to aid clarity...
If Sheila was the killer, and she had already shot someone when Nevill called Jeremy:
1) Why did he not phone 999? (it had already gone beyond trying to keep it hush hush)
2) Even if he phoned Jeremy, why didn't he say 'Sheila's shot your mother!'
If Sheila had indeed gone beserk and held the weapon..
3) Why didn't she shoot anything other than people. i.e. why not blast a window, or a wall too as you might expect in a fit of rage?
4) If she had not already killed when Nevill called Jeremy, then surely her 'berserk' behaviour would have disturbed others, yet the evidence suggests not. Any explanation?
5) With the exception of a fight with Nevill, there killings have all the appearances of a quite deliberate close range act, which is at odds with the randomness of a mentally ill young woman going 'berserk'. Why?
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How well Jeremy got on with his parents is hardly a central issue in the case. As far as individuals other than Brett Collins are concerned, they have nothing to do with this thread which is about the Sunday People front page article about Brett Collins.
Don't be silly. The last person who claimed such parameters in debate was Luminous Wanderer and he did make himself appear ridiculous. The fact is that Jeremy Bamber akin to David Bain both refuse to acknowledge the discord in their respective families because of the deluge of hatred this would unleash, leaving the average person in the street fully aware of why the murders occurred in each case.
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Leaving aside personal comments why do you think Brett Collins has changed his mind about the guilt of Jeremy Bamber when he probably would have received the same payment for reasserting his innocence?
I made a suggestion about this in an earlier post. He may feel guilty about not keeping in contact when there was no longer any material benefit in doing so. Suggesting he believes Jeremy to be guilty provides some excuse for that. Otherwise, I have no idea. It is clearly not upon the basis of any new evidence or analysis of the evidence presented at trial.
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You haven't read the questions properly. I will rephrase them to aid clarity...
If Sheila was the killer, and she had already shot someone when Nevill called Jeremy:
1) Why did he not phone 999? (it had already gone beyond trying to keep it hush hush)
2) Even if he phoned Jeremy, why didn't he say 'Sheila's shot your mother!'
If Sheila had indeed gone beserk and held the weapon..
3) Why didn't she shoot anything other than people. i.e. why not blast a window, or a wall too as you might expect in a fit of rage?
4) If she had not already killed when Nevill called Jeremy, then surely her 'berserk' behaviour would have disturbed others, yet the evidence suggests not. Any explanation?
5) With the exception of a fight with Nevill, there killings have all the appearances of a quite deliberate close range act, which is at odds with the randomness of a mentally ill young woman going 'berserk'. Why?
Again
One for you Steve
No money involved
Timothy Ernest
I worked with Jeremy many years ago and I got to know him very well through this job. To me he spoke about farming a lot and seemed to enjoy it and wanted to develop the way that the farm worked, he wanted to use new technology at the time to further the business. To be truthful I think this work was just light relief for him, never did I think that he took it seriously or preferred it to farming. He was never flash with money but was hardly ever short of it.
I spent time with him at his cottage in Goldhanger, he was the sort of person who always had time for me, and I visited White House Farm and met his family a couple of times. I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I
thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view. Never did Jeremy come across as angry in my presence and never did he speak badly of any person especially his parents and always seemed very appreciative of what they had done for him.
I was reeling with shock from what had happened at White House Farm and none of it made sense. I came to question myself about whether I really knew Jeremy because of the things said about him by other people, my gut instincts were that he hadn’t committed the murders and the way I had felt about Julie always remained the same and was compounded by her media interviews. The reports in the press seemed so overwhelming at the time. People felt afraid to stand up for Jeremy fearing such association would blacken their character but I knew a number of people who held the same beliefs as myself but did nothing.
I didn’t contact Jeremy again until many years later, I found him welcoming and I enjoyed the same warmth of character in his letters. I feel regret that I turned my back for so many years and this testimony is my way of saying I’m sorry Jeremy I should have spoken for you sooner. I know you are innocent and always did.
Timothy
Steve are you calling Timothy a liar or do you accept what he says???
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You haven't read the questions properly. I will rephrase them to aid clarity...
If Sheila was the killer, and she had already shot someone when Nevill called Jeremy:
1) Why did he not phone 999? (it had already gone beyond trying to keep it hush hush)
2) Even if he phoned Jeremy, why didn't he say 'Sheila's shot your mother!'
If Sheila had indeed gone beserk and held the weapon..
3) Why didn't she shoot anything other than people. i.e. why not blast a window, or a wall too as you might expect in a fit of rage?
4) If she had not already killed when Nevill called Jeremy, then surely her 'berserk' behaviour would have disturbed others, yet the evidence suggests not. Any explanation?
5) With the exception of a fight with Nevill, there killings have all the appearances of a quite deliberate close range act, which is at odds with the randomness of a mentally ill young woman going 'berserk'. Why?
how do you know someone had already been shot?
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Don't be silly. The last person who claimed such parameters in debate was Luminous Wanderer and he did make himself appear ridiculous. The fact is that Jeremy Bamber akin to David Bain both refuse to acknowledge the discord in their respective families because of the deluge of hatred this would unleash, leaving the average person in the street fully aware of why the murders occurred in each case.
There may have been some discord but it is not a central issue in the case.
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I have said it before that you are connected to Julie Mugford but you have never said how
This has been dealt with at least three times before. We were employed by the same employer, the ILEA (Inner London Education Authority) in the 1980s. We both had stressful careers it seems, though I never resorted to sleeping pills, or any central nervous system stimulants come to that apart from caffeine in coffee. I have never met her. You can believe this or not.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982223/Girlfriend-evidence-helped-jail-Jeremy-Bamber-White-House-Farm-murders.html
Blimey, yet another sweetener in the offing eh ? Is there no end to this blood money ??
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There may have been some discord but it is not a central issue in the case.
Neither is Julie's News of the World deal, or Jeremy's own deal for a greater sum, come to that.
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This has been dealt with at least three times before. We were employed by the same employer, the ILEA (Inner London Education Authority) in the 1980s. We both had stressful careers it seems, though I never resorted to sleeping pills, or any central nervous system stimulants come to that apart from caffeine in coffee. I have never met her. You can believe this or not.
But you used to spend time with her group of friends? Did you have to be careful around her because of her dishonesty?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982223/Girlfriend-evidence-helped-jail-Jeremy-Bamber-White-House-Farm-murders.html
Thank you Jan. I had missed this.
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Blimey, yet another sweetener in the offing eh ? Is there no end to this blood money ??
This isn't a new interview but sensationalism for sensationalism's sake. I'm sure Julie will not let Jeremy wreck her life as Colin is likewise so determined.
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But you used to spend time with her group of friends? Did you have to be careful around her because of her dishonesty?
Jackie now you are making yourself look silly. I thought you always stuck to facts, not speculation.
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Neither is Julie's News of the World deal, or Jeremy's own deal for a greater sum, come to that.
Julie's News of the World deal certainly is an important issue and undoubtedly will feature in any future appeal. Jeremy's deal is not relevant at all. The reasons for the clear distinction have been explained fully several times in the past. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge the position makes no difference.
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People thought Myra Hindley to be an intelligent affable woman.
Ted Bundy was a highly intelligent and extremely charming man.
Killers don't have a tattoo on their head saying 'bad killer inside'.
It doesn't make someone a liar that they found JB to be of sound character, or JM to be of dubious character - that was their own impression. Others found the opposite. Some folks like me, others don't.
The nature of JB relationship with his parents is a factor to the possible motive. We will likely never really know his true feelings towards them, and it may well be a mix of love and hate (as countless young men and women might attest to their own relationships with parents). It's not unusual to hate your parents.
The question isn't 'do kids who hate their parents kill them?' - because we know very well that most don't.
It is more a case of 'does someone who kills their parents, tend to hate them?' and they typically do.
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Julie's News of the World deal certainly is an important issue and undoubtedly will feature in any future appeal. Jeremy's deal is not relevant at all. The reasons for the clear distinction have been explained fully several times in the past. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge the position makes no difference.
..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.
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Jackie now you are making yourself look silly. I thought you always stuck to facts, not speculation.
I thought Julie carried out a cheque book fraud with a friends cheque book.
I wondered if you had any similar problems around her.
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how do you know someone had already been shot?
I don't.
That is why I gave both options. IF she had already shot someone, then the call ought to have said 'she's shot someone'
If she had NOT shot someone, yet was going berserk, why did June, and the twins not wake up?
Furthermore, with either option, her 'berserk' behaviour was not particularly random, she shot each at close range, in what could only be described as a fairly controlled and logical manner, whilst not shooting at any other object - which is at odds with 'berserk'
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The difference with me Steve I was asking a question.you consistently post comments on here as if they were facts but they are only your opinion
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I thought Julie carried out a cheque book fraud with a friends cheque book.
I wondered if you had any similar problems around her.
No I have never been in trouble with the law. I believe 11 million adults in the UK have a criminal record, but I'm not one of them, fortunately.
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..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.
I acknowledge that she made a statement in 2002, but I do not believe that portrays a complete and accurate picture of what happened. Since 2002 very important additional material has been obtained and in a fresh appeal this could be properly presented.
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People thought Myra Hindley to be an intelligent affable woman.
Ted Bundy was a highly intelligent and extremely charming man.
Killers don't have a tattoo on their head saying 'bad killer inside'.
It doesn't make someone a liar that they found JB to be of sound character, or JM to be of dubious character - that was their own impression. Others found the opposite. Some folks like me, others don't.
The nature of JB relationship with his parents is a factor to the possible motive. We will likely never really know his true feelings towards them, and it may well be a mix of love and hate (as countless young men and women might attest to their own relationships with parents). It's not unusual to hate your parents.
The question isn't 'do kids who hate their parents kill them?' - because we know very well that most don't.
It is more a case of 'does someone who kills their parents, tend to hate them?' and they typically do.
These are quality posts and I hope all members are reading them.
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I acknowledge that she made a statement in 2002, but I do not believe that portrays a complete and accurate picture of what happened. Since 2002 very important additional material has been obtained and in a fresh appeal this could be properly presented.
Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie. Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?
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Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie. Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?
He was always very open in my discussions with him and was prepared to talk in detail about Julie Mugford.
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I don't.
That is why I gave both options. IF she had already shot someone, then the call ought to have said 'she's shot someone'
If she had NOT shot someone, yet was going berserk, why did June, and the twins not wake up?
Furthermore, with either option, her 'berserk' behaviour was not particularly random, she shot each at close range, in what could only be described as a fairly controlled and logical manner, whilst not shooting at any other object - which is at odds with 'berserk'
My scenario is at the time of the call June and the twins would not have been awake or were just waking. I know some children sleep through anything
As for controlled firing of the gun, none of us really know the answer to that question apart from Sheila but they were close range
I also don’t understand ritual cleaning which I think as been discussed by an expert so is feasable
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No I have never been in trouble with the law. I believe 11 million adults in the UK have a criminal record, but I'm not one of them, fortunately.
No I meant did Julie ever steal from you as she was involved in numerous illegal activities
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These are quality posts and I hope all members are reading them.
The word is possibie
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Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie. Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?
Which nasty letters
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My scenario is at the time of the call June and the twins would not have been awake or were just waking. I know some children sleep through anything
As for controlled firing of the gun, none of us really know the answer to that question apart from Sheila but they were close range
I also don’t understand ritual cleaning which I think as been discussed by an expert so is feasable
So it is your assertion that whilst Shiela was going berserk, and then subsequently killed Neville, the twins slept through, and June was just stirring? How do you explain her sleeping through Neville being shot upstairs prior to coming down?
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What would you suggest June did if she heard a big commotion down stairs
Go down or stay in bed until everything dies down
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What would you suggest June did if she heard a big commotion down stairs
Go down or stay in bed until everything dies down
Tend to the children at the very least
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..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.
And did it reveal when the deal was made or signed ?
No.
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Surprising then that Jeremy heretofore has been almost silent about Julie. Why do you think this is, ngb1066, when we know for the record that he is not averse to writing nasty letters or otherwise inconveniencing other individuals connected to the case when it suits?
I have never heard Julie claim he has written nasty letters to her .
So you must mean Colin ?
Any others ?
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..and Julie gave a statement about that deal in 2002, which you evidently refuse to acknowledge.
She couldn't remember when she signed the contract according to her 2002 statement. Why would anyone refuse to acknowledge it? She can't remember, allegedly, whether she signed pre or post trial.
It makes it sound more likely that the contract was signed pre trial.
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When you have the like of RWB who put Julie on to the same firm of solicitors as himself, you've got to question the integrity of the solicitor who Julie had and I say that the signing was done pre-trial to fit in with everyone else's greed !
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She doted on him for the most part, acted as ersatz mother and confidante, did his laundry and decorated the house. Yet there was an incident in a supermarket regarding a bar of soap, so she could answer back at times.
Regarding Christmas 1982- this is not the paragraph I was looking for but does confirm Colin had stayed at White House Farm before:
All of a sudden, Ann broke into our thoughts and came in. She said they had thought it better to put the room back the way Bambs had it. Rather than leave it empty, after the twins' beds had been removed, they brought Bambs's old bed back in. "Have you seen this?" asked Ann, pointing out some words scratched into what looked like new paint on the wardrobe door. "I HATE THIS PLACE," it said. I then remembered the police asking me about it, but on seeing those words I felt as if I had seen them before, in the last year or so-probably when I stayed at Christmas, although I couldn't be absolutely sure. I guess Bambs must have written it out of frustration on one of her earlier, more anguished visits. It seemed sad but now quite unimportant.
I'm confused. Where were they when this happened?
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No I meant did Julie ever steal from you as she was involved in numerous illegal activities
I never met Julie.
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I have never heard Julie claim he has written nasty letters to her .
So you must mean Colin ?
Any others ?
Why isn't Jeremy shouting to the rooftops that Julie lied on oath?
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I never met Julie.
I don’t believe you
Its a disgrace she was ever allowed to work with children isn’t it
From what you believe she’s as bad as Maxine carr
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Which nasty letters
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7101.1200.html
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Why isn't Jeremy shouting to the rooftops that Julie lied on oath?
He and his campaign team have made absolutely clear their view of Julie Mugford and the evidence she gave.
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I don’t believe you
Its a disgrace she was ever allowed to work with children isn’t it
From what you believe she’s as bad as Maxine carr
Some people are misguided on this forum but I would never directly call you a liar.
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Whether she likes it or not she'd still be an accessory if JB was guilty. If it's true that she'd known for months, as she'd stated, that Jeremy was planning to do away with his family and never said anything. Or is she lying ? Take your pick.
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I'm confused. Where were they when this happened?
I'm not sure what you mean. Julie and Jeremy had a tiff about a bar of soap in a supermarket and it landed in Jeremy's face instead of the trolley. The extract in italics is Ann showing Colin round the Farm post-murders.
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What a piffling observation ! All added to the case ? Flying soap.
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Storm Ciara is hitting Manchester now, a deluge of rain even for this city.
It seems to have passed off now: https://youtu.be/g7tuDGAOOl0
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Why isn't Jeremy shouting to the rooftops that Julie lied on oath?
Nobody would listen nor believe him.
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Nobody would listen nor believe him.
You do. Others do. More don't.
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Nobody would listen nor believe him.
He can't counter the allegation that he loathed his parents because he told it to people other than Julie, he can't counter the allegation that he speculated about the Farm burning down at Christmas 1984 because he told Michael Deckers, he can't counter the allegation that he labelled the twins spoiled brats because he told Liz Rimington.
Don't you see that he has nothing whatsoever to counter the allegation that he was planning to kill five members of his family, because it's true..
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“The idea that his sister would shoot the family, put the silencer away in the cupboard, and then shoot herself is just crazy.”
Seems he has been influenced by info outside his own experience.
Agreed.
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I'm not sure what you mean. Julie and Jeremy had a tiff about a bar of soap in a supermarket and it landed in Jeremy's face instead of the trolley. The extract in italics is Ann showing Colin round the Farm post-murders.
Oh I see. I didn't know that Ann showed Colin round the farm. Thanks.
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During which she'd said " It's all ours !"----might as well put my own twist on it.
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Sonia's bistro has taken a hit: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/02/09/wall-of-guest-house-collapses-into-river-as-storm-batters-the-bo/
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Sonia's bistro has taken a hit: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/02/09/wall-of-guest-house-collapses-into-river-as-storm-batters-the-bo/
Can't you post this stuff in another section?
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Can't you post this stuff in another section?
No and stop trying to limit the parameters of debate. We do not yet live in a society modelled on China.
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No and stop trying to limit the parameters of debate. We do not yet live in a society modelled on China.
You're off topic. There is a section for general news.
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Sonia's bistro has taken a hit: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/02/09/wall-of-guest-house-collapses-into-river-as-storm-batters-the-bo/
Oh heck. What a nightmare, so frightening.
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Par for the course for the liar and deceptive school teacher
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Oh heck. What a nightmare, so frightening.
The Telegraph is describing Storm Ciara as the "storm of the century". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-51434118