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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #165 on: June 17, 2019, 03:34:PM »
I can’t help feeling that what Falconer told the police 3 years later was pretty accurate an account of what he did and saw that night, it only becomes contentious when placed amid  the other evidence the was brought to trial. It’s pretty unfair to him to believe otherwise and again not his fault he wasn’t detected prior to the trial and during the investigation

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #166 on: June 17, 2019, 03:42:PM »
It’s strange you say she might have been attacked twice that night, certainly a lot of the injuries can’t be explained mainly due to the timings, again though until we get a grip of when this murder actually occurred it will seem strange. This was a very prolonged attack, fitting everything into a time frame is impossible if Luke’s the killer.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #167 on: June 17, 2019, 03:48:PM »
It’s strange you say she might have been attacked twice that night, certainly a lot of the injuries can’t be explained mainly due to the timings, again though until we get a grip of when this murder actually occurred it will seem strange. This was a very prolonged attack, fitting everything into a time frame is impossible if Luke’s the killer.

that's why I don't think they were all committed in one attack it would of taken to long I believe she was in fight with somebody before she was killed I think the injury's to her face were caused then.


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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #168 on: June 17, 2019, 03:49:PM »
I can’t help but agree with you mate

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« Reply #169 on: June 17, 2019, 04:11:PM »
of course the person who hit her may have nothing to do with the murder but of course the police would not have belived that so they wouldent have come forward.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #170 on: June 17, 2019, 06:07:PM »
that's why I don't think they were all committed in one attack it would of taken to long I believe she was in fight with somebody before she was killed I think the injury's to her face were caused then.

Some of the injuries to her face were so horrific, nugnug, it would have been impossible to "hide" them. Some of the other injuries could have been caused by a fight - the bruising to the knuckles, the back of the head, side of the eye - even the cut to the inside of her top lip could have been caused by a punch to the face.

Actually, you guys have just made an important point. Bruising. If all the blows that caused the bruising were inflicted immediately before the injuries that killed Jodi, would they have had time to become full blown bruises, given the amount of blood loss involved? I'll go investigate and come back to this!

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #171 on: June 17, 2019, 07:16:PM »
No I don’t believe they would have Sandra, it’s something I toyed with for a while but I always felt there was a danger to Jodi prior to all this anyway

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #172 on: June 17, 2019, 08:01:PM »
Proof(lol just imitating yourself) but c’mon everything you have just typed is conjecture at most or desperation at best

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #173 on: June 17, 2019, 08:10:PM »
I wouldn’t have put up that GD and AN OTHER called out Luke to start with. I believe your an intelligent person with much information and knowledge of this case so to simple stick stuff out there is crazy. These two didn’t even come forward for a few days after being told not to by a person on the search party. Luke has already been interviewed and treated like the culprit from day one

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« Reply #174 on: June 17, 2019, 08:23:PM »
Once again plz prove what your are saying. Why would you so often criticise Sandra for what she puts up and NOW!! Ask her to back up what your saying? What side of the coin do you sit mate? I have told you that these two who ever they two were didn’t come forward at the time, here’s an even better point though, these two didn’t testify to what your saying at court.

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« Reply #175 on: June 17, 2019, 08:29:PM »
JF and GD were telling people it was Luke even before Jodi's family believed it. Not sure if Sandra can confirm.

and why would they want to do that.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #176 on: June 17, 2019, 08:33:PM »
Maybe GD and JF did see something? They were the first people to tell everyone it was Luke, and Jodi's family fell out with them after it. Maybe because they didn't come forward with what they had seen. That would explain why Joey wanted to batter them. They didn't help. Maybe they didn't want to talk to police or want to grass someone they sold drugs to?

if so why wold they not come forward.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #177 on: June 18, 2019, 08:33:AM »
Ferris and Dickie!

They didn't come forward for 5 days. Ferris said afterwards his gran, Alice Walker, told him not to because they were on the path "too early" (at around 4.30). Since the time of Jodi leaving was thought, by Judith originally, to be 5 o'clock (later changed to 5.30, then to 4.50), how could AW be sure they hadn't seen someone suspicious lurking around the area? Ferris was never questioned in court about his claim that his gran told him not to come forward, nor was AW.

Jodi's mum did "fall out" with them later, claiming they knew more than they were letting on, but has never pushed for the police to go after them to find out what that was. Why might that be?

When MBB went to the Gran's on the morning of July 1st, he did not describe someone who could be Luke, but one witness said Ferris kept saying that afternoon, "it's Luke, it's Luke." However, the same witness said Ferris was behaving very strangely - whenever an article about Jodi came on the news, he would turn the volume up and concentrate intently on it. He was also very tense and "snappy" according to this witness.

We know from other witnesses the police were telling people from the off that Luke was the killer and they would have him arrested within the week - there's no reason to suppose they were telling Jodi's family anything different, so if Ferris and Dickie "knew" it was Luke, that's because the police were telling anyone who would listen!

Why didn't they tell police the truth about that afternoon? I think it's a dead cert that the whole lot was dishonest, not just the timing - they could "remember" everything about that afternoon except the correct time (even though Dickie remembered the time of his jobcentre appointment from which Ferris picked him up on the moped) or where they were when the bike was propped at the V point without them (even though they gave an "account" of everything else they did on the path).

It sure as hell wasn't because they were "covering" for Luke - their initial statements are entirely focused on incriminating him - stories about Luke and knives, Luke and cannabis, jabbing Jodi in the leg with a knife (never corroborated by anyone else), handing police knives they claimed belonged to Luke (one of them turned out later to be Ferris's own knife and there was nothing to corroborate the other claims) - it goes on and on. If they'd seen Luke there that day, there's absolutely no way they would have covered that up - their enthusiasm to point the finger at him in their early statements (while lying their heads off about the time) just stopped short of saying it was Luke, anyway!

What reason might Joseph have had to want to batter Ferris? Oh, yes - Ferris destroyed the alibi Judith gave police for Joseph that afternoon. It was Ferris, it appears, who told the police about Joseph's 9 bar which is why the police went back to Judith and Alice, several days into the investigation, to ask about Joseph, who'd been airbrushed out of their earlier statements.

As for not wanting to grass someone they sold drugs to - Ferris was singing like a canary about all the people who bought cannabis from him, not just Luke. He said in court Luke still owed him for the last lot. And we know the police were telling witnesses they weren't interested in cannabis, that nobody would be in trouble for anything cannabis related, they just wanted information about "the murderer" (what they meant was they just wanted information about Luke Mitchell).

So, not to cover for Luke, not to cover for someone they sold drugs to, not because they had special knowledge about Luke (since the police were telling everyone they "knew" it was Luke), so what are we left with?

Why did Ferris ask his gran and another male relative, on July 1st, if he should go to the police or not? There's a slightly different version of this, according to Yvonne Walker. She said Ferris did intend to go to the police on July 1st, so something must have changed his mind. Was it not so much a case of asking his gran, but mentioning that he'd been on the path and was going to tell the police that, and he was told not to? Then there's the gloves - why lie about them (and try to hide them prior to that)?

I, too, think Ferris and Dickie know more than they're letting on, but not about Luke Mitchell.


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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #178 on: June 18, 2019, 01:56:PM »
It’s strange that in those earlier encounters with the police that they were pointing the finger at Luke, why not simply say they saw him behind the wall? That’s because they didn’t see him but they should have. We know they were there so why not!
No real way of determining a time for the bike being at the wall, the tool yard workers knocked off around 5pm and by the time they locked up, got in their cars and drove to a point where they could see the bike certainly puts the 17:15 timing being accurate. Was the bike there only fleetingly? Simply stopped there to look over the wall, nothing to see and move on to the next place. No one else seems to put the bike there at the wall, neither Kelly,woman pushing the pram.
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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #179 on: June 18, 2019, 05:41:PM »
Thinking about the bike.
Does anyone know who owned it?
Where it was kept?
It’s movements that day? We know Dickie was picked up by Ferris so was Ferris running around on it that day
Was it forensically tested?
Remember this bike was positively placed at a murder scene at the time it was supposed to have occurred, if it was tested and found to have dna then the owners/riders would have questions to answer. If however it was clean would that go some way to suggesting that the murder didn’t occur at that time!


I was also wondering where the furthest item contaminated with blood that was found at the scene and at what direction it was found in relation to the body?