Thanks Sandra, I had read somewhere recently he spoke to his mum around 1650 to find out what was for tea, if it was 1620/1630 that’s plenty time to cook and even burn a pie.
Something I'm finding quite interesting. Firstly, 16.50 is the time Jodi is (finally) claimed to have left her mother's house - it changed from 17.30 to 17.00, to 16.50.
Luke spoke to his mum before 16.30 and therefore before the exchange of texts between his and Judith's phones at 16.34 - 16.38 and he called the speaking clock at 16.54.
His mum came home at 17.15, according to all three of the Mitchell family, and dinner was ready (This time is also supported by CCTV of Corinne leaving her work, stopping in at a local shop and reconstruction timings of the journey between the three places.)
Now, there's someone on youtube claiming Luke was still at home, cooking dinner, when he called Alan Ovens at 17.40, meaning he would have to have spent over an hour and a quarter cooking pies in the oven, by which time they'd have been burnt to a crisp!!!
I see this often - a large influx of misleading posting, using known timings but attributing them to other events to cause confusion, changing details from one known event and claiming it belongs to another and so on. I used to try to correct every example - not any more - I'd never have time to do anything else.
But since we have at least one poster who seems keen to extend the length of time for cooking some pies in the oven, I wonder what people make of the fact that the lasagne Judith claimed to be cooking that afternoon took 5 hours, at least, to cook? All of this focus on the 45 minute period in which Luke and his mother said pies were in the oven, yet no-one seems remotely interested in the development of the lasagne story, the timing of which, it seems, is to give an alibi for Joseph's movements that day.
Here's the final version:
Between 12:00 and 13:00 Judith was cooking the mince for the lasagne when Joseph and Ferris arrived at lunchtime (somewhere between 12 and 1).
15:50 - 15:55 Judith was preparing the sauce for the lasagne when Jodi came in from school (15.50ish) and Joseph was "mooching" around the kitchen, eating the mince. (This is just 25 minutes after the cancelled doctor's appointment to allow Joseph and Ferris to continue smoking cannabis - Judith would later say she didn't know what time Ferris left).
16:40 She and Alan Ovens sat in the living room for about half an hour after he came in from work, listening to cds and waiting for the lasagne to cook. Joseph was up in his room. (But Judith said Joseph was in the living room with her and Jodi listening to the Rod Stewart track when AO got in from work at 16.40). Jodi called out "keep some (lasagne) for me" as she left at 16.50
17:38 When Luke called - Alan Ovens took the call because Judith was in the kitchen making the cheese sauce for the lasagne and assembling it ready to put it in the oven, so they couldn't have been sitting in the living room between 16.50 and 17.20 "waiting for the lasagne to cook" as claimed above. It took about 10 minutes to make the sauce and assemble, she put it in the oven for about 20 minutes, then told AO to put it back on for another 5 minutes, twice. Then they called Joseph down for tea which they either all ate together on their laps, all ate sitting at the table (including Jodi), or which Joseph took to his room to eat while Judith and AO ate in the living room.
18:05 - Either way, Joseph was back in his room when Judith and AO left to visit the cemetery just as the six o'clock news headlines came on. But if the lasagne didn't go into the oven until 17.48 (allowing for the 10 mins prep) and it was cooked for at least 30 minutes before being served, the they couldn't even have started eating it until 18.28 - almost half an hour
after they claimed they left to visit the cemetery.
I'm not saying there's anything "suspicious" about the cooking arrangements in the Jones household that day - I'm asking why known timings for the Mitchells, which are proven to be supportive of their claims about that afternoon are under such scrutiny, when such unsupported and extremely unlikely timings for the Jones family are glibly ignored?
