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[David1819]

If Nevill and Sheila were downstairs bare footed in nightclothes, Sheila holding the rifle, what do you believe Nevill would have done?

There are only three things he could do.

A) Leave the building

B) Call for help

C) Try and disarm her.

I believe he done option B and then attempted option C once he heard the shots being fired upstairs.

Option C can only succeed if he can close the distance between himself and the shooter and not get shot in the process.

[Jane]

You're welcome.

As for trolling on another forum, I'm not bothered about that - the person who received the PM's  realised that anyone who would send those kind of PM's couldn't be trusted.

I am more bothered about the disruptions here. I even told David not to respond to my posts (in the interests of forum harmony) weeks ago, however, because it's always an argument that he's looking for, he chose to ignore. The PH stuff is a smoke screen.

Well, I've invited him to come clean. Thus far, he's chosen to ignore what he's been read to have said -it can't be denied when it's in writing- so we have no reasons given for his pathetic and immature behaviours. From these writings, one can only assume that we're dealing with a character that gets some sort of deviant pleasure in causing disruption.

[Adam]

There are only three things he could do.

A) Leave the building

B) Call for help

C) Try and disarm her.

I believe he done option B and then attempted option C once he heard the shots being fired upstairs.

Option C can only succeed if he can close the distance between himself and the shooter and not get shot in the process.

Leave the building. He would not leave the building bare footed in his pyjamas. He would not leave Sheila and his family. If Sheila was going let to him leave or knew nothing about it, Nevill would disarm her instead.

Call for help. No time to either make the call or wait for a visit. He may need to disarm her before anyone arrived anyway. If he was able to call for help, he would have the opportunity to disarm her & do that instead.

His only option was to disarm her. It would be a routine and easy disarm. Nevill would not stand for such nonsense at that time.

[David1819]

Well, I've invited him to come clean. Thus far, he's chosen to ignore what he's been read to have said -it can't be denied when it's in writing- so we have no reasons given for his pathetic and immature behaviours. From these writings, one can only assume that we're dealing with a character that gets some sort of deviant pleasure in causing disruption.

No need for psychological projections Jane.

[Jane]

FOR DAVID:-

Well, I've invited him to come clean. Thus far, he's chosen to ignore what he's been read to have said -it can't be denied when it's in writing- so we have no reasons given for his pathetic and immature behaviours. From these writings, one can only assume that we're dealing with a character that gets some sort of deviant pleasure in causing disruption.

[David1819]

Leave the building. He would not leave the building bare footed in his pyjamas. He would not leave Sheila and his family. If Sheila was going let to him leave or knew nothing about iy, Nevill would disarm her instead.

Its still an option.

Call for help. No time to either make the call or wait for a visit. He may need to disarm her before anyone arrived anyway. If he was able to call for help, he would have the opportunity to disarm her & do that instead.

If June was intended to be the first target (and I believe she was) he does have time.

His only option was to disarm her. It would be a routine and easy disarm. Nevill would not stand for such nonsense at that time.

Like I said. I believe he attempted to disarm her. Unfortunately the distance was too wide for him to do so without getting shot himself.

[Adam]

Its still an option.

If June was intended to be the first target (and I believe she was) he does have time.

Like I said. I believe he attempted to disarm her. Unfortunately the distance was too wide for him to do so without getting shot himself.

The rooms in WHF are standard rooms. How do you know the distance was too big? He could use objects such as stools or chairs to protect himself.

Sheila in her nightie bare footed holding a rifle for shooting rabbits, would not deter a fully fit Nevill in the slightest. He would still use his massive weight, height & strenght advantage to overpower Sheila. Even if she did actually fire a bullet which hit his torso.

[David1819]

The rooms in WHF are standard rooms. How do you know the distance was too big? He could use objects such as stools or chairs to protect himself.

Since Nevill was found dead and I believe Sheila then shot herself. That is enough for me to deduce that Nevill failed to disarm her.

You cannot take a gun off someone without being close to them. If someone threatend you with a gun, are you going to then advance towards them and just take it off them? You would have to be very lucky  not to get shoot you on your way towards them. In such situation you would have to negotiate with the person holding the gun and hope to persuade them to put it down.

Sheila in her nightie bare footed holding a rifle for shooting rabbits, would not deter a fully fit Nevill in the slightest. He would still use his massive weight, height & strenght advantage to overpower Sheila. Even if she did actually fire a bullet which hit his torso.

Nevill was not fully fit. He was in his 60s. The fact a gun used to kill rabbits broke the bone in his arm in half, makes me suspect he had some bone problems caused by old age.

[lookout]

I'm afraid a 60 year old man would have been fit for nothing having worked a field for most of the day, then finishing off after supper, no matter how big and strong he was supposed to have been.

Try it sometime when you're 60 !!

[Adam]

Since Nevill was found dead and I believe Sheila then shot herself. That is enough for me to deduce that Nevill failed to disarm her.

You cannot take a gun off someone without being close to them. If someone threatend you with a gun, are you going to then advance towards them and just take it off them? You would have to be very lucky  not to get shoot you on your way towards them. In such situation you would have to negotiate with the person holding the gun and hope to persuade them to put it down.

Nevill was not fully fit. He was in his 60s. The fact a gun used to kill rabbits broke the bone in his arm in half, makes me suspect he had some bone problems caused by old age.

Nevill was a fit farmer, 6.4 and 15 stone. He would over power Sheila easily. It's common sense that he would attempt this. Sooner rather than later as he needed some sleep.

He had no option but to do this. To negate the minimal danger of a light un uncordinated woman with no rifle experience,  bare footed in a nightie holding a rifle for shooting rabbits.

Nevill would have easily disarmed Sheila. Either getting close enough to her while talking, or charging her in a small room. Maybe using an object to protect him while charging.

[Jane]

Nevill was a fit farmer, 6.4 and 15 stone. He would over power Sheila easily. It's common sense that he would attempt this. Sooner rather than later as he needed some sleep.

He had no option but to do this. To negate the minimal danger of a light un uncordinated woman with no rifle experience,  bare footed in a nightie holding a rifle for shooting rabbits.

Nevill would have easily disarmed Sheila. Either getting close enough to her while talking, or charging her in a small room. Maybe using an object to protect him while charging.

Bullets move faster than people.

[lookout]

Why wouldn't Nevill have overpowered Jeremy then ? This strapping 15 stone 6ft 4 farmer with arms like hams against a puny milksop such as Jeremy was at 24.?

[Adam]

Bullets move faster than people.

Did you see my question to you in reply 126?

[Adam]

Why wouldn't Nevill have overpowered Jeremy then ? This strapping 15 stone 6ft 4 farmer with arms like hams against a puny milksop such as Jeremy was at 24.?

Bamber shot him 4 times. Twice in the head. Then brutally beat him. Bamber was a young fit male.

You know Nevill would not stand for any nonsense of a bare footed woman in a nightie holding a rifle for shooting rabbits. Not that it would ever happen.

[lookout]

Bamber shot him 4 times. Twice in the head. Then brutally beat him. Bamber was a young fit male.

You know Nevill would not stand for any nonsense of a bare footed woman in a nightie holding a rifle for shooting rabbits. Not that it would ever happen.

The same would have applied to Sheila, disabling her father before he had chance to fight back ?