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[Jane]

A fully fit Nevill had no option but to tackle Sheila. To protect himself, his family and Sheila.

Sheila being very weak, un cordinated & with no rifle experience would have made Nevill confident of quickly negating her, so he can go back to bed. Sheila also had a rifle for shooting rabbits, rather than a shot gun.

At that time of night Nevill was never going ring someone 3 miles away to leave a message on his answering machine.

Okay Adam, if you insist on playing this pointless game, I'll play along with you because it amuses me. Firstly, it IS pointless because neither you nor I believe Sheila confronted Nevill. Secondly, it's pointless because bullets -even those from fire arms ONLY designed, as you insist, for dispatching rabbits- move faster than people, and whilst Jeremy MAY have taken time out to taunt Nevill, Sheila undoubtedly would not have. NOT that it matters, because she wasn't there. As I've previously said, faced with a loaded gun and someone intent on using it, bed would have been the last thing on Nevill's mind, however, I DO agree with you that he most certainly wouldn't have made a phone call to a number which was serviced by an answering machine.

[David1819]

So it has to end, does it, David? Then bloody well end it!! ALL of this is down to you. You'd lost your sanity -at the very least, all sense of perspective, well before "the past 20 days", which have been about you trying to twist your way out of a situation of your own making and at each turn revealing yourself as the sneaky, lying rat you are, and just for the record, there's probably no point in NGB "summoning" you to explain yourself because chances are it would be yet another tissue of lies, probably in attempt to put the blame on Caroline and me.

Exactly WHAT is with your obsession with PH? You drag up his name on a daily basis -perhaps it's the only stick you have to poke Caroline with?- but now it appears you weren't even here when it happened!! I'd actually forgotten that he turned up as "Mason Doyle". As for the "trail of devastation and chaos" you accuse him of leaving -and interesting that only NOW do you recognize that "he came across as a very affable and nice guy to everyone"- you're certainly doing your level best to continue it -because, basically, you've involved yourself in a situation which has SOD ALL to do with you in order to take spiteful digs at Caroline, whose knowledge of this case way outstrips your own and I'll hazard a guess that knowing it gnaws away at you on a daily basis, and yet you have the temerity to claim you don't bear grudges! Mmm? All of which suggests that, in your mind -no one else's- PH has become HUGE, the obsession is yours. It's beginning, as you admit to needing to save your sanity, to sound as if it would be a good idea for you to take a break to sort yourself out. Whatever YOU may feel has been "dished out" to you, is no more than your just desserts.

To cut a long story short. If Paul Harrison (Mason Doyle) never came to this forum and never got involved with this case, you and Caroline would still be here arguing for Jeremy's innocence. 

Let that sink in.

[Jane]

To cut a long story short. If Paul Harrison (Mason Doyle) never came to this forum and never got involved with this case, you and Caroline would still be here arguing for Jeremy's innocence. 

Let that sink in.

You certainly have the knack -down to a fine art- of making two and two make five. How, in God's name, given that you weren't even there, can you presume to know what we, or anyone else, for that matter, thought, mulled over privately, or discussed? Why is the fact that Caroline and I changed our minds, and owning it, SO much more comment-worthy, than you changing yours and trying to keep it hidden? MORE! wtf has it to do with you, anyway, if we were still arguing innocence?

[Roch]

This place is like a time capsule. You could probably come back in five years time and tune in to the latest instalment of Caroline & Jane vs David. 

[David1819]

You certainly have the knack -down to a fine art- of making two and two make five. How, in God's name, given that you weren't even there, can you presume to know what we, or anyone else, for that matter, thought, mulled over privately, or discussed? Why is the fact that Caroline and I changed our minds, and owning it, SO much more comment-worthy, than you changing yours and trying to keep it hidden? MORE! wtf has it to do with you, anyway, if we were still arguing innocence?

I have already explained how the events transpired yesterday. Indeed I was not even there when it happened and yet even I can figure it out. So imagine how obvious it was to those who where around.

What has this got to do with me you ask? Well I come here to debate the case, in doing so you and Caroline give me a hard time and its all because Paul Harrison duped Caroline, and you followed suit.
So I am now getting straight to the point as to what the root cause of your pointless arguments are instead of arguing directly on the subject at hand because I can no longer see the point.

Not only do you both cause trouble for myself and others here, you also both make yourselves look stupid. All because someone is too proud to admit they got duped by Paul Harrison. How much longer will the facade last?

[Jane]

I have already explained how the events transpired yesterday. Indeed I was not even there when it happened and yet even I can figure it out. So imagine how obvious it was to those who where around.

What has this got to do with me you ask? Well I come here to debate the case, in doing so you and Caroline give me a hard time and its all because Paul Harrison duped Caroline, and you followed suit.
So I am now getting straight to the point as to what the root cause of your pointless arguments are instead of arguing directly on the subject at hand because I can no longer see the point.

Not only do you both cause trouble for myself and others here, you also both make yourselves look stupid. All because someone is too proud to admit they got duped by Paul Harrison. How much longer will the facade last?

Yes, you may well have explained. That you were actually telling the truth is debatable and very doubtful. You've clearly spent many hours pawing over past posts in order to form any opinion. As you may be able to ascertain, "those who were around" can't give a toss. You're the only one who seems bothered -but, of course, there's the FACT that the longer you can keep a focus on what you claim to be Caroline's and my not worth a mention misdoings, you're keeping the focus away from your own, considerable and worth looking into, devious and cheating behaviours.

You say you "come here to debate the case". Seems to me you went out of your way to eliminate -whether or not one agreed with him- one of the best debaters on the forum. You claim that Caroline and I gave you a hard time because of PH when he's gone before you arrived on the scene!!!!! Grow up and take some responsibility for yourself -have you never noticed that nothing is ever your fault?- the only reason we'd have had to "give you a hard time" is for what you present yourself as being.

Re your last paragraph. It's not Caroline and I who have told lies to get people banned. It's not Caroline and I who have made untrue character assassinations on a member of another forum. It's not Caroline and I who've made untrue claims about other members' sexuality. The list goes on................yet you appear to think you have a God-given right to do these things. WHY? What pleasure does it give you?

WHY do you keep repeating that we "are too proud to admit they got duped by Paul Harrison". How many times must we repeat ourselves? How many times do you need to be told? Are you too thick to take it on board or is it that you choose to ignore it so you always have a stick to poke us with. When it comes to causing trouble, you're a past master. When it comes to stupidity, you take the crown. 

[Adam]

Okay Adam, if you insist on playing this pointless game, I'll play along with you because it amuses me. Firstly, it IS pointless because neither you nor I believe Sheila confronted Nevill. Secondly, it's pointless because bullets -even those from fire arms ONLY designed, as you insist, for dispatching rabbits- move faster than people, and whilst Jeremy MAY have taken time out to taunt Nevill, Sheila undoubtedly would not have. NOT that it matters, because she wasn't there. As I've previously said, faced with a loaded gun and someone intent on using it, bed would have been the last thing on Nevill's mind, however, I DO agree with you that he most certainly wouldn't have made a phone call to a number which was serviced by an answering machine.

Well we both agree that Sheila & Nevill were not awake & downstairs. We also both agree that Nevill did not phone Bamber.

If Nevill and Sheila were downstairs bare footed in nightclothes, Sheila holding the rifle, what do you believe Nevill would have done?

[David1819]

Yes, you may well have explained. That you were actually telling the truth is debatable and very doubtful. You've clearly spent many hours pawing over past posts in order to form any opinion. As you may be able to ascertain, "those who were around" can't give a toss. You're the only one who seems bothered -but, of course, there's the FACT that the longer you can keep a focus on what you claim to be Caroline's and my not worth a mention misdoings, you're keeping the focus away from your own, considerable and worth looking into, devious and cheating behaviours.

You say you "come here to debate the case". Seems to me you went out of your way to eliminate -whether or not one agreed with him- one of the best debaters on the forum. You claim that Caroline and I gave you a hard time because of PH when he's gone before you arrived on the scene!!!!! Grow up and take some responsibility for yourself -have you never noticed that nothing is ever your fault?- the only reason we'd have had to "give you a hard time" is for what you present yourself as being.

Re your last paragraph. It's not Caroline and I who have told lies to get people banned. It's not Caroline and I who have made untrue character assassinations on a member of another forum. It's not Caroline and I who've made untrue claims about other members' sexuality. The list goes on................yet you appear to think you have a God-given right to do these things. WHY? What pleasure does it give you?

WHY do you keep repeating that we "are too proud to admit they got duped by Paul Harrison". How many times must we repeat ourselves? How many times do you need to be told? Are you too thick to take it on board or is it that you choose to ignore it so you always have a stick to poke us with. When it comes to causing trouble, you're a past master. When it comes to stupidity, you take the crown.

You can attempt to rationalise and scrape the bottom of the barrel all you like. But it does not stop the fact that Paul Harrison is the reason for your antics on this forum to this day and its an indefensible position to have. Should Caroline ever do the right thing and publicly come to her senses. We shall see how long it takes you to do the same.

[Jane]

You can attempt rationalise and scrape the bottom of the barrel all you like. But it does not stop the fact that Paul Harrison is the reason for your antics on this forum to this day and its an indefensible position to have. Should Caroline ever do the right thing and publicly come to her senses. We shall see how long it takes you to do the same.

The only "antics" going on here are your own in seeking to disassociate yourself from your spectacularly bad track record which places you a VERY long way down at the bottom of this particular barrel. Perhaps you'd care to put into words exactly what "right thing" it is that you'd have Caroline and I do further to that which we've already done. Once you've got that out of the way -and off your chest because it clearly disturbs you- perhaps you'll "come to your senses" and confess to what you've done. On a scale of 1-10 your duplicity far and away exceeds anything you think we haven't done.

[Caroline]

This place is like a time capsule. You could probably come back in five years time and tune in to the latest instalment of Caroline & Jane vs David. 

You're probably right because you can't make any sense out of someone like David. He doesn't really believe I changed my mind because of PH, he's saying that because I caught him out lying to NGB and his excuse for doing so, just made it more clear. I won't back down, people like him do this in order to have the last word and try to bury their own sneaky behaviour by trying to turn the tables and put a mass of posts between the past and the present. David wasn't even around when PH was a member here - he apparently wants the forum to forget about PH and yet contributes on a regular basis to a thread that HE started on PH and mentions him on a regular basis.

By the way, Maggie has confirmed several times about when I changed my mind about Bamber - so in essence, he's calling her a liar. There is really only one liar here - as the posts below confirm.


David made this post in reply to Scipio after just joining the forum.

The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.

I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.

I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.

He made this post in reply to NGB only a few weeks ago.

That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.

David likes to be all things to all people but don't disagree with him or make him look like a chump (although he does this himself on a regular basis) or he will send members PM's trying to destroy your reputation (not sure if he's done that here but wouldn't put it passed him but he did this to me on another forum), try and track down your real identity such as with Scipio - he sent me a Youtube video of Scipio at work. He conspired to have Scipio banned because he couldn't win him in a debate and then tried to blame another poster for his ban. belittle and degrade people such as Holly (who he called an alcoholic) and has made several references to Jane and I being involved in some kind of lesbian relationship. There is a word for people who do the above - I'll leave you to decide what that is!

[Caroline]

I have already explained how the events transpired yesterday. Indeed I was not even there when it happened and yet even I can figure it out. So imagine how obvious it was to those who where around.

What has this got to do with me you ask? Well I come here to debate the case, in doing so you and Caroline give me a hard time and its all because Paul Harrison duped Caroline, and you followed suit.
So I am now getting straight to the point as to what the root cause of your pointless arguments are instead of arguing directly on the subject at hand because I can no longer see the point.

Not only do you both cause trouble for myself and others here, you also both make yourselves look stupid. All because someone is too proud to admit they got duped by Paul Harrison. How much longer will the facade last?

This post is the BIGGEST laugh of ALL! Not only do you troll the Bamber posts and it's members but you have started on other threads - turning on Nugs because he doesn't agree with you. You're one BIG joke! and now people will see that. Debate the case? HA!

Just recently you said you were leaving and had asked NGB to delete your account - however, you turn up again trying to suggest that NGB hadn't deleted it (presumably because you were a valued contributor), turns out, he asked you to confirm and you didn't - yet another one of your wool pulling exercises.  .

You don't debate anything, you give your OPINION and pass it off as fact then try and ridicule anyone that doesn't agree with you. You're an immature idiot!

[lookout]

As a forum member I'm not interested one way or the other in anyone other than the purpose of the forum.

What date did the alarm system get fitted at WHF ?

[Caroline]

As a forum member I'm not interested one way or the other in anyone other than the purpose of the forum.

What date did the alarm system get fitted at WHF ?

Me either Lookout but if you were being trolled, you wouldn't let them get away with it?

The alarm was fitted on 9th August (I believe)

[lookout]

Me either Lookout but if you were being trolled, you wouldn't let them get away with it?

The alarm was fitted on 9th August (I believe)

Ah right, thanks Caroline. It was just a niggle I had re. AE's COLP statement.

When trolling is done about you from another forum there's very little that can be done----I should know ! I've been there ! It's a pathetic practice and one which I've learned to ignore. They're just trash.

[Caroline]

Ah right, thanks Caroline. It was just a niggle I had re. AE's COLP statement.

When trolling is done about you from another forum there's very little that can be done----I should know ! I've been there ! It's a pathetic practice and one which I've learned to ignore. They're just trash.

You're welcome.

As for trolling on another forum, I'm not bothered about that - the person who received the PM's  realised that anyone who would send those kind of PM's couldn't be trusted.

I am more bothered about the disruptions here. I even told David not to respond to my posts (in the interests of forum harmony) weeks ago, however, because it's always an argument that he's looking for, he chose to ignore. The PH stuff is a smoke screen.