JB petition now has almost ten thousand signatures.

[Jane]

Seriously? Use underhanded means to obtain an unpaid position nobody else will volunteer for? Makes perfect sense not!

I still do freelance IT consultancy on the odd occasion for friends if they ask me to but I don't do it for free.
 
Besides any technical assistance for this site is covered by our hosting provider contract they are obliged to ensure up-time and technical assistance. 99% of what Caroline does is call the hosting providers helpdesk and ask whats wrong once in a blue moon when something is wrong. Anyone can do that.  The whole Zoso thing seems to be a position that was invented for Caroline and reduntant from its inception. So if there is anything underhanded going on here its the whole Zoso business.

Actually David, it makes PERFECT sense given your predilection for digging into peoples' past posts to see if you can find some dirt to smear them with. EXACTLY what you've spent weeks doing -and given the chance, if you though you could get away with it, would probably still do-  remind me, can you, of how many hours you must have spent digging through Caroline's posts. The Zosa "thing" was simply the means by which the administrator could be separate from the poster. That you claim it to have been something "invented" for her, suggests it to be something you begrudge her having? It most certainly IS, like so many other voluntary and unpaid positions, one which relies heavily on a person's integrity. By your deviousness you have proved that, as this is an area in which you are sadly lacking, you cannot be trusted.

[Jane]

Since its a subject that involves me, I am entitled to a say. And since I have now already exacerbated the issue by replying to his post without realising it had no relevance to anything I should redress the issue.

It was a brief squabble two years ago that was quickly resolved. That being Caroline was not going to apologise for calling me a liar over claims she cropped the photo. And I was not going to give her the benefit of the doubt over the explanation she then later gave for cropping the photo. 

I think we were both OK leaving it like that. Why someone other than myself or Caroline would bring it up out the blue two years later is any ones guess.

Actually, David, what you refer to as "a brief squabble" and "quickly resolved" appears to have been rather more -in fact, MUCH more- and given that you appear to have taken every opportunity since to undermine her, suggests, for you, it wasn't. I fully see WHY she wouldn't apologize for calling you a liar. I also see why you'd refuse to give her the benefit of doubt.

[David1819]

Whatever JaneJ

If you have nothing better to do on a Sunday morning than stir up crap, fine. But I am not taking any notice of it.

[Jane]

Whatever JaneJ

If you have nothing better to do on a Sunday morning than stir up crap, fine. But I am not taking any notice of it.

Stirring up crap is your own particular talent, David. However, I appear to have touched a nerve.

[David1819]

I am not the one who mysteriously changed my mind about everything along with Caroline and conman Paul Harrison and been dishonest ever since.

The one who did is in no position to accuse me of questionable behaviour. 

[Caroline]

I am not the one who mysteriously changed my mind about everything along with Caroline and conman Paul Harrison and been dishonest ever since.

The one who did is in no position to accuse me of questionable behaviour. 

Well actually David, yes you are - you like to be all things to all people which is evident from how you have described your initial interests in the case. To Scipio, (who you were trying to score points against), you had studied the case in detail, coming to conclusions after a long while

The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.

I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.

I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.

And then this recent entry while trying to suck up to NGB in order to get him to reveal his issues with PH - complete opposite of the above statements ......

That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.

This has revealed your dishonestly and how you try and manipulate members for your own ends. This and comments such as 'others here agree with me' 'others have sent me PM's about you' (me) 'Others sent me links to your posts'. Also, how you conspired to have Scipio banned and tracked him down on Youtube. Calling Holly and alcoholic because she didn't think much of your 'forensic breakthrough' and then insinuation she had mental health issues. Something you also did to me when I PROVED that someone I know was taking haloperidol - it was my mum by the way, she has vascular dementia but thanks for staying true to form - and that's NOT a compliment!

Still waiting for you to address the above discrepancy - ignoring it doesn't make it go away!

[Jane]

I am not the one who mysteriously changed my mind about everything along with Caroline and conman Paul Harrison and been dishonest ever since.

The one who did is in no position to accuse me of questionable behaviour. 

And here, for all to see, is yet another of your dubious talents. Seeking to hide what you've done by redirecting that for which you have responsibility. Not only did you change direction, you kept it hidden by pointing the finger at Caroline and me when we both openly admitted to having done so. From how you write, you considered US to be dishonest then, and "dishonest ever since". It's interesting that it's YOU who have dragged this up. Could it be, having gone through your repertoire of concocted lies about us, you're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel? You've gone WAY too far to try to claim innocence for yourself.

[David1819]

And here, for all to see, is yet another of your dubious talents. Seeking to hide what you've done by redirecting that for which you have responsibility. Not only did you change direction, you kept it hidden by pointing the finger at Caroline and me when we both openly admitted to having done so. From how you write, you considered US to be dishonest then, and "dishonest ever since". It's interesting that it's YOU who have dragged this up. Could it be, having gone through your repertoire of concocted lies about us, you're having to scrape the bottom of the barrel? You've gone WAY too far to try to claim innocence for yourself.

Eh iv'e explained what ever change of mind I had in this case -

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9026.msg427855.html#msg427855

You and Caroline never have explained yourselves because you are both too embarrassed to admit you got duped by Paul Harrison. Keeping up the facade five years later does not achieve anything since its obvious to all what happened..

[Caroline]

Eh iv'e explained what ever change of mind I had in this case -

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9026.msg427855.html#msg427855

You and Caroline never have explained yourselves because you are both too embarrassed to admit you got duped by Paul Harrison. Keeping up the facade five years later does not achieve anything since its obvious to all what happened..

I've posted loads of times why I changed my mind but you trying to turn the tables after your pathetic excuse the other day is laughable. You try to be all things to all people like your reply to Scipio and later NGB. You've been caught out - DEAL WITH IT!

[Jane]

Eh iv'e explained what ever change of mind I had in this case -

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9026.msg427855.html#msg427855

You and Caroline never have explained yourselves because you are both too embarrassed to admit you got duped by Paul Harrison. Keeping up the facade five years later does not achieve anything since its obvious to all what happened..

Oh, I know what you've said, but I've not had any cause to believe that any of what you say resembles truth. I see you're projecting here, your penchant for 'brown nosing' onto Caroline and me -I suppose you're going to say next -given that it takes one to know one- that you knew right from the beginning,  that PH was up to no good? It's probably fair to say that Caroline and I were no more "duped" by him than any other poster who may have been hoping for great things from him. As for my own involvement, I believe I posted to him once. I had no other involvement with him than most other posters. I certainly didn't send him an email telling him I could do things for him!!! But, given your predilection for poking your nose into past posts, you probably already know that. You recently accused me of "shit stirring". BIG projection going on here, isn't there? Here's you, trying to worm your way out of your own cheating, lying duplicity by dumping onto Caroline and me. Have you never heard that when you're in a hole you should stop digging/

[David1819]

Eh iv'e explained what ever change of mind I had in this case -

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9026.msg427855.html#msg427855

You and Caroline never have explained yourselves because you are both too embarrassed to admit you got duped by Paul Harrison. Keeping up the facade five years later does not achieve anything since its obvious to all what happened..

Of course, it never occurred to Caroline and Jane that they would have to justify or explains themselves because they thought Paul Harrison's book was going to do all the talking for them. However once the book was released it quickly became obvious it was all a pack of lies.

With dumb and dumber now left to their own devices. The sensible thing to do would be to admit to being bamboozled like everyone else who's done dealings with this disgraceful man. But not these two, they then decide to waste five years of their lives selling the same dead horse PH sold them.

[lookout]

Did you buy his book David ?

[David1819]

Did you buy his book David ?

No. Fortunately the feedback from people on here prevented me from ever doing so. 

[Jane]

Of course, it never occurred to Caroline and Jane that they would have to justify or explains themselves because they thought Paul Harrison's book was going to do all the talking for them. However once the book was released it quickly became obvious it was all a pack of lies.

With dumb and dumber now left to their own devices. The sensible thing to do would be to admit to being bamboozled like everyone else who's done dealings with this disgraceful man. But not these two, they then decide to waste five years of their lives selling the same dead horse PH sold them.

See, here you go again. Offloading your own VERY wrongdoings and pointing your own guilty fingers at those who made a very human mistake. After all, we gave you the benefit of doubt when you first joined and you've turned out to be as as big a disgrace as the person you're accusing. Let's look at the list -thus far and that which is known of:-

You've rifled through past posts purely to use that information against the poster.

 You managed by very devious means to rid the forum of one of the best posters it's ever had and then proceeded with a smear campaign against him.

You stole someone else's research and put it out as your own.

You've implied -by omission- that it will possibly be used in a new submission.

You, wrongly, accused a senior member of another forum an alcoholic, MORE! you claimed she had dementia.

You claimed that I and Caroline were involved in a sexual relationship.........................

.........................These are just the things I know about, David. I have NO doubts that someone who would stoop SO low to try to make himself top of a forum pile, will stop at NOTHING to put elsewhere the blame for their own DISGRACEFUL behaviour. After all your hard work, you certainly deserve to be at the top of the heap.......................of the pile of shit of your own making.

[Caroline]

Of course, it never occurred to Caroline and Jane that they would have to justify or explains themselves because they thought Paul Harrison's book was going to do all the talking for them. However once the book was released it quickly became obvious it was all a pack of lies.

With dumb and dumber now left to their own devices. The sensible thing to do would be to admit to being bamboozled like everyone else who's done dealings with this disgraceful man. But not these two, they then decide to waste five years of their lives selling the same dead horse PH sold them.

The sensible thing for you to do is admit you lied to NGB in order to get him to write about PH. Instead, you're doing what you usually do and are trying to turn the tables.

You have been told by Maggie that I changed my mind about Bamber long before I revealed it on the forum but your nasty narcissistic little self is trying to seek some revenge for being outed and you have been OUTED!  .

In a post to Scipio when he is trying to sound like a Bamber authority David write the following;

 

The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.

I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.

I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.

In a post replying to NGB 4 years LATER, David writes;

That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.