so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.

[Caroline]

Vanezis had written a handwritten note " bloodstained palm-prints on nightdress matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from R.hand ". McDonnell only mentions finger marks not palm print.

This is pretty old news Lookout if you're referring to his written autopsy notes?

[lookout]

This is pretty old news Lookout if you're referring to his written autopsy notes?

What if it is ? I was answering what nugs had asked. That the " palm print "  was old hat !

[lookout]

Blood on her hands one minute then in the next breath her hands were clean 

[Caroline]

Blood on her hands one minute then in the next breath her hands were clean 

What? You've only just noticed that?

[lookout]

What? You've only just noticed that?

Of course I haven't. I was reminding you of that 1 of many faux-pars that each and everyone concerned appeared to manage, with everything they did.

[Caroline]

Of course I haven't. I was reminding you of that 1 of many faux-pars that each and everyone concerned appeared to manage, with everything they did.

Well, this particular issue has been done to death. all comes down to if you believe Sheila's hands were clean or not. It still doesn't determine a killer though.

[lookout]

Well, this particular issue has been done to death. all comes down to if you believe Sheila's hands were clean or not. It still doesn't determine a killer though.

That's not the point. There were downright lies told. I noticed this in 2012 even if you didn't.

[Jane]

That's not the point. There were downright lies told. I noticed this in 2012 even if you didn't.

Well unless you're prepared to go with Adam's Mass conspiracy theory, frankly, I can't see how it's possible for every player in the act -especially the professionals with no reason- to want to put the knife in. It'll be said next that the plan was laid to convict him before the crime was committed.

[lookout]

Well unless you're prepared to go with Adam's Mass conspiracy theory, frankly, I can't see how it's possible for every player in the act -especially the professionals with no reason- to want to put the knife in. It'll be said next that the plan was laid to convict him before the crime was committed.

I don't do conspiracy theories.
 Your last sentence could have been said by the relatives. They all but had him hung drawn and quartered before they drew breath.

[Jane]

I don't do conspiracy theories.
 Your last sentence could have been said by the relatives. They all but had him hung drawn and quartered before they drew breath.

Well, Lookout. Don't you claim to have insight into peoples' characters? I don't suppose, for a moment, you're the only one. They may NOT have known him well, but they certainly knew him long before the murders, whereas you only 'know' the person he's presented himself as being since he's been in prison.

[Adam]

Obviously Lookout and all supporters believe there was an industrial frame.

Anyone who does not believe there was an industrial frame, believes Bamber is guilty.

[Caroline]

That's not the point. There were downright lies told. I noticed this in 2012 even if you didn't.

What did you notice in 2012 Lookout?

[Caroline]

What did you notice in 2012 Lookout?

Are you talking about this thread? The one in which everyone is confused about the hand print on the nightdress and there is talk of Sheila being put in a recovery position? There was only one pattern on the nightdress that resembled finger marks, there was no full handprint.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2845.msg97837.html#msg97837

[lookout]

What did you notice in 2012 Lookout?

When disputes were cropping up for instance about the blood on the hands then the blatant way it was then stated that her hands were clean. Contradictions from start to finish.

[lookout]

Are you talking about this thread? The one in which everyone is confused about the hand print on the nightdress and there is talk of Sheila being put in a recovery position? There was only one pattern on the nightdress that resembled finger marks, there was no full handprint.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2845.msg97837.html#msg97837

The " cobbled together" handprint was nothing new.