so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.

[lookout]

Are you talking about this?

No, that's not it.

[lookout]

The blood running from Sheila's nose, mouth and neck is all running in the same downward direction (with no deviations) as it would have done in the position her head was found (lying flat). Thus her head was always in that position. With her head lying flat and her left shoulder right by the bedside table, it is simply not possible for her body to have been any further up than it already was. Thus she cannot have been pulled down with her head up against the bedside table.

Even a 10 year old can work this out. Even Martyn Ismail who concocted this junk would have known he was pulling this out his backside for whatever incentive/reason he had. The only person who cannot see through this is the one who has been bathing her brain in alcohol for too long. 

I was talking about June and the way she was lying.

[Caroline]

No, that's not it.

There is no folded rug. Where in the bedroom are you suggesting?

[David1819]

I was talking about June and the way she was lying.

What about it? There is blood smudged down the door where she lay. So she must have fallen there.

[Harry]

That picture is a fraud and is a version of the picture below. I would love to know how Shiela could still be breathing with a throat full of blood without any signs of spluttering around her mouth? The blood is dry and cracked, her face is discoloured and this is the reason why the photo you posted is only of her neck. Had they included her face, it would have been obvious that it has been tampered with.

I would like to hear the opinion of Nbg1066 on the high resolution photograph in question. From his knowledge of the history of the case, I would expect him to know whether or not Bamber's defence produced a fake photograph.

In fact, the idea of the photograph being enhanced was invented by a poster called Weety at the red forum and who has used the name Bridget at this forum. It's just complete bunkum, but there does seem to be some organisation behind it. It has become almost a mantra. "The photo has been enhanced."

Mike Tesko made some copies of photographs and some of the copies have what photographers call a blue cast. You are trying to kid people that the pictures with a blue cast show the true colours
and that the original unaltered image is a fake. But it's possible to prove that it's the blue pictures which are wrong.

I would also like to hear Mikes view on this issue. He has seen the photos in the album. For all I know, the photos he copied may already have been adjusted. The badly degraded image you keep posting must have already been distorted when Mike copied it. It has a lot of noise as well as a blue cast. It looks like it has been copied many times.

When images are copied by simply photographing a photograph, distortions tend to occur each time.

[Harry]

The above picture shows the image you have posted with the slip in leaf still visible. It should be white, but you can see it has a blue grey tone which is consistent with a blue cast. A blue cast will make a white surface appear  bluish.

You can't really reproduce the original image by warming up a picture with a blue cast, but you can at least produce a copy which corrects some of the distortion. I have adjusted the image just enough to make the slip in leaf neutral white again.



Even in this image, the blood trails are conspicuously wet. Indeed, as David1819 has pointed out, you can see that they are wet even in monochrome versions.

[Harry]

OK, I will ask again, are there any pictures that reveal the page at which the bible is open while placed face down on the floor? Also as previously stated, we have no idea how long Bamber was at WHF staging the scene - blood dries fairly quickly - I doubt the stain was completely wet when the bible was placed there.

The notion that the police framed Jeremy from day one is a non-starter.

I can't make rational sense of the question.

How could there be a picture showing that? If the bible is face down, you can't see the page numbers.

The cover up started on the day of the killings, but it was to cover up a mishap concerning Sheila Caffell and had nothing to do with wanting to frame Bamber. That came later and basically started after ACC Peter Simpson replaced the head of the investigation  DCI Thomas Jones with DCS Mike Ainsley.

Contrary to popular belief, this took place before Julie Mugford came forward and followed from a complaint made by Robert Boutfour to DS Stan Jones who told Boutflour that he would need to speak to Peter Simpson.

Simpson gave Robert Boutflour what he wanted, namely a new investigation with Jeremy Bamber as the prime suspect. All of this happened before Julie Mugford said anything to the police.

 

[Steve_uk]

I can't make rational sense of the question.

How could there be a picture showing that? If the bible is face down, you can't see the page numbers.

The cover up started on the day of the killings, but it was to cover up a mishap concerning Sheila Caffell and had nothing to do with wanting to frame Bamber. That came later and basically started after ACC Peter Simpson replaced the head of the investigation  DCI Thomas Jones with DCS Mike Ainsley.

Contrary to popular belief, this took place before Julie Mugford came forward and followed from a complaint made by Robert Boutfour to DS Stan Jones who told Boutflour that he would need to speak to Peter Simpson.

Simpson gave Robert Boutflour what he wanted, namely a new investigation with Jeremy Bamber as the prime suspect. All of this happened before Julie Mugford said anything to the police.

True but she had told several of her friends already, so the cat was out of the bag so to speak. What are you alleging is the mishap concerning Sheila?

[Jane]

There is no folded rug. Where in the bedroom are you suggesting?

Are we to understand that both women conveniently died on rugs which we covering carpets and that those rugs were pulled from under them, OR the bodies were picked up, placed elsewhere and replaced in a semblance of their original positions after the rugs were retrieved? This has echo's of another poster's claim that both bodies were removed to another room to have pictures taken and then replaced in the master bedroom.

[Caroline]

I can't make rational sense of the question.

How could there be a picture showing that? If the bible is face down, you can't see the page numbers.

The cover up started on the day of the killings, but it was to cover up a mishap concerning Sheila Caffell and had nothing to do with wanting to frame Bamber. That came later and basically started after ACC Peter Simpson replaced the head of the investigation  DCI Thomas Jones with DCS Mike Ainsley.

Contrary to popular belief, this took place before Julie Mugford came forward and followed from a complaint made by Robert Boutfour to DS Stan Jones who told Boutflour that he would need to speak to Peter Simpson.

Simpson gave Robert Boutflour what he wanted, namely a new investigation with Jeremy Bamber as the prime suspect. All of this happened before Julie Mugford said anything to the police.

Thank you.

[lookout]

I've been looking through the archives for Alias's original thread warning us of the content, but to no avail. It was on one or two of the photo's that I saw the folded large carpet. This would have been the carpet, not rug, which was burned in the grounds of the farm along with bedding. No other carpet from any other room was ever mentioned.
The carpet would have been like the one shown in Sheila's bedroom which is a large square on top of the existing fitted carpet.

[Adam]

Hopefully when Mike returns everything will become clear.

[Caroline]

The above picture shows the image you have posted with the slip in leaf still visible. It should be white, but you can see it has a blue grey tone which is consistent with a blue cast. A blue cast will make a white surface appear  bluish.

You can't really reproduce the original image by warming up a picture with a blue cast, but you can at least produce a copy which corrects some of the distortion. I have adjusted the image just enough to make the slip in leaf neutral white again.



Even in this image, the blood trails are conspicuously wet. Indeed, as David1819 has pointed out, you can see that they are wet even in monochrome versions.

So you had to adjust the image to make the trails look wet! Look at Sheila’s face - you can see she has been dead for some time. The blood is dried and cracked around her mouth. Has she recently breathed blood built up in her throat and there would be blood splatters on her face as she tried to clear her throat. Someone was careful not to include her face in your picture because it is at odds with the cracked dried blood!

[Caroline]

I would like to hear the opinion of Nbg1066 on the high resolution photograph in question. From his knowledge of the history of the case, I would expect him to know whether or not Bamber's defence produced a fake photograph.

In fact, the idea of the photograph being enhanced was invented by a poster called Weety at the red forum and who has used the name Bridget at this forum. It's just complete bunkum, but there does seem to be some organisation behind it. It has become almost a mantra. "The photo has been enhanced."

Mike Tesko made some copies of photographs and some of the copies have what photographers call a blue cast. You are trying to kid people that the pictures with a blue cast show the true colours
and that the original unaltered image is a fake. But it's possible to prove that it's the blue pictures which are wrong.

I would also like to hear Mikes view on this issue. He has seen the photos in the album. For all I know, the photos he copied may already have been adjusted. The badly degraded image you keep posting must have already been distorted when Mike copied it. It has a lot of noise as well as a blue cast. It looks like it has been copied many times.

When images are copied by simply photographing a photograph, distortions tend to occur each time.

It’s not me who is kidding myself. You just have to look at Sheila’s face to see she had been dead for quite sometime. However, I have been here long enough to realise that there are certain posters who will have an open view about Bamber and no matter what, they will argue against anything that lints to guilt. Now before you even suggest I have a closed mind, remember I fought long and hard for innocence. Most of the stuff you hold dear has been debunked but you hold onto it and that’s your  choice.

Bit confused as to why you think NGB would know if the picture was faked - that’s just paranoia.

[Caroline]

True but she had told several of her friends already, so the cat was out of the bag so to speak. What are you alleging is the mishap concerning Sheila?

The police shot her?