so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.

[lookout]

Of course they can, they have no muscle power to keep them upright. A dead body is a dead weight. There was no reason for the officers to move her at all.

So EP literally pulled the rug from beneath her to have shifted her to that position ? How very respectful 

[lookout]

Come to think of it, this is probably why Sheila's nightdress originally rode upwards----by yanking the carpet from underneath her too until some kind soul made her look decent.

As a consequence like it or not, both bodies had shifted with the removal of the carpet.

[David1819]

Come to think of it, this is probably why Sheila's nightdress originally rode upwards----by yanking the carpet from underneath her too until some kind soul made her look decent.

As a consequence like it or not, both bodies had shifted with the removal of the carpet.

This is all based on Martyn Ismaili claims. His observations contradict the basic laws of gravity. It’s not even worth considering.

[lookout]

This is all based on Martyn Ismaili claims. His observations contradict the basic laws of gravity. It’s not even worth considering.

Who's Martyn Ismaili ?

[lookout]

Whoever he is we've got the same thoughts then.

[Caroline]

So EP literally pulled the rug from beneath her to have shifted her to that position ? How very respectful 

Sorry Lookout, not only did I not say that, I didn't even hint at it 

[lookout]

Sorry Lookout, not only did I not say that, I didn't even hint at it 

I'm well aware that those weren't your words.
But she didn't get in that position herself without assistance did she ? She'd have literally dropped sideways from a hunched sitting position.

[David1819]

Who's Martyn Ismaili ?

Some guy who was asked to produce some junk science to appease the Judges at the last moment of the appeal.

[lookout]

Some guy who was asked to produce some junk science to appease the Judges at the last moment of the appeal.

Doesn't sound too bad to me, especially as I have the same train of thought----so what's your problem ?
It's not junk science, it's common sense that doesn't need much thought.

[Caroline]

Doesn't sound too bad to me, especially as I have the same train of thought----so what's your problem ?
It's not junk science, it's common sense that doesn't need much thought.

I mustn't be seeing the same as you, I can see easily why she fell sideways and the carpets weren't removed until after the bodies were.

[lookout]

I mustn't be seeing the same as you, I can see easily why she fell sideways and the carpets weren't removed until after the bodies were.

The carpet in question is folded in the bedroom by the side of a bed.
 Photo's were taken after it had been removed on account of it having been soaked in blood and there being so many officers who would have trodden everywhere with blood under their shoes/boots and trailing it throughout the farmhouse. So the top carpet/large rug was removed before the bodies were.
This is the carpet which was burned along with bedding.

[Caroline]

The carpet in question is folded in the bedroom by the side of a bed.
 Photo's were taken after it had been removed on account of it having been soaked in blood and there being so many officers who would have trodden everywhere with blood under their shoes/boots and trailing it throughout the farmhouse. So the top carpet/large rug was removed before the bodies were.
This is the carpet which was burned along with bedding.

Are you talking about this?

[David1819]

Doesn't sound too bad to me, especially as I have the same train of thought----so what's your problem ?
It's not junk science, it's common sense that doesn't need much thought.

The blood running from Sheila's nose, mouth and neck is all running in the same downward direction (with no deviations) as it would have done in the position her head was found (lying flat). Thus her head was always in that position. With her head lying flat and her left shoulder right by the bedside table, it is simply not possible for her body to have been any further up than it already was. Thus she cannot have been pulled down with her head up against the bedside table.

Even a 10 year old can work this out. Even Martyn Ismail who concocted this junk would have known he was pulling this out his backside for whatever incentive/reason he had. The only person who cannot see through this is the one who has been bathing her brain in alcohol for too long. 

[Jane]

Are you talking about this?

That looks a very small and soft bundle for carpet. It looks more like a blood splattered eiderdown.

[Caroline]

That looks a very small and soft bundle for carpet. It looks more like a blood splattered eiderdown.

It is.