Justice For All - Correspondence

[vidvic]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

[clifford]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

To be fair I did,nt think she was, as I mentioned.
Thanks for confirming.

[smiffy]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

rather defensive and getting yourself muddled vidvic....
looking at your claims and what you say...your looking a little shakey here.
The nature of your answers invite doubt on your claims and bring suspicion upon yourself in my view.

I do wonder as well  on how an ex RAF person involved with videos of old spitfires will make the spelling error of ROUNDAL....  and then have difficulty explaining!
From my own interest in aircraft and aircraft modelling I am not going to mess up and get the word ROUNDEL wrong.
Sometimes you appear to be well out of your comfort zone vidvic.....I do wonder how you got on as a producer when little things...well they should be little things...seem to rock you so much.

The claims you make are important...so hence the extra scrutiny it invites...its not a personal attack ..aimed at you as an individual...I would question anyone who makes the type of claims you have made quite closely to see how they hold up and how the person making them acts.


please tell us when you made this claimed call vidvic..as surely it was simple to answer?.
your response when asked of "WHY?"  ...  to which I respond  ....
WHY DID YOU SAY WHY?

[curiousessex]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

Why - because reading the posts the impression is given, in my opinion, you had made the telephone call in order to clarify a point in discussion. You posted 'Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no! '

I just got the impression from reading your post that you had rung in the last day or so.

Just seeking clarity.

[vidvic]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

rather defensive and getting yourself muddled vidvic....
looking at your claims and what you say...your looking a little shakey here.
The nature of your answers invite doubt on your claims and bring suspicion upon yourself in my view.

I do wonder as well  on how an ex RAF person involved with videos of old spitfires will make the spelling error of ROUNDAL....  and then have difficulty explaining!
From my own interest in aircraft and aircraft modelling I am not going to mess up and get the word ROUNDEL wrong.
Sometimes you appear to be well out of your comfort zone vidvic.....I do wonder how you got on as a producer when little things...well they should be little things...seem to rock you so much.

The claims you make are important...so hence the extra scrutiny it invites...its not a personal attack ..aimed at you as an individual...I would question anyone who makes the type of claims you have made quite closely to see how they hold up and how the person making them acts.


please tell us when you made this claimed call vidvic..as surely it was simple to answer?.
your response when asked of "WHY?"  ...  to which I respond  ....
WHY DID YOU SAY WHY?

I was not being defensive at all Smiffy. Just curious as to why the call time is important. (about 3pm BTW) Yes, I was a photographic specialist in the RAF, my service number was H8208474 and I was based at Wattisham (56/23/74 Sqn's / Phanthoms) and then RAF Kinloss on Nimrods. Yes, I did spell roundel wrong on a post to Jackie at god knows what time in the morning and yes, I do know the Eatons and the Boutflours very well and have done for many years. I was the family spokesman during the 2002 appeal and helped write the speech that Peter made outside the court on the final day. I was interviewed by Sky News at my home during the same appeal. I attended every day with the family and can be seen on much footage walking into court with them. I first spoke with Mike over 5 years ago through the original forum. I was also family spokesman when David's son Simon died in an accident on carbonells. This last weekend I produced the world Rowing Cup from Hamburg and the week before I produced the English swimming champs from Sheffield in my ficticious role as a TV producer. I will see the family again on Thursday.

[Jackiepreece]

Well Vidvic what a brilliant modeator you are turning out to be I take it all back thinking Mike T made a big mistake choosing you now we have a hotline to Ann Eaton
Bloody brilliant!!!!
I suggest all the forum poster get their questions ready before your meeting with the family on ThursdayI expect by the time we get all the answers we will be on the relatives side knowing JB is guilty as sin

What time do we have to have any questions ready are you meeting them morning or evening?

[vidvic]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

Why - because reading the posts the impression is given, in my opinion, you had made the telephone call in order to clarify a point in discussion. You posted 'Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no! '

I just got the impression from reading your post that you had rung in the last day or so.

Just seeking clarity.

Sorry Curious, now I see what you meant. I thought you were asking for the time. When I read the justice for all report I saw the bit about her being a magistrate, thought that it was incorrect, but checked with Ann before I posted.

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic something I meant to ask you a while ago about the statement you posted a while ago




I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt1st June



the part of your statement "the more you know about this case the more convinced you become of JB s guilt"

You do know those were the words used at JB s 2002 appeal and at one of the many failed appeals of the Birmingham Six

Vidvic with your experiance and knowledge of the media how guilty were the Birmingham Six and how long did these men spend in prison as innocent men

[vidvic]

Vidvic something I meant to ask you a while ago about the statement you posted a while ago




I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt1st June



the part of your statement "the more you know about this case the more convinced you become of JB s guilt"

You do know those were the words used at JB s 2002 appeal and at one of the many failed appeals of the Birmingham Six

Vidvic with your experiance and knowledge of the media how guilty were the Birmingham Six and how long did these men spend in prison as innocent men

Sorry Jackie, I see no connection between the two cases.

[curiousessex]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

Why - because reading the posts the impression is given, in my opinion, you had made the telephone call in order to clarify a point in discussion. You posted 'Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no! '

I just got the impression from reading your post that you had rung in the last day or so.

Just seeking clarity.

Sorry Curious, now I see what you meant. I thought you were asking for the time. When I read the justice for all report I saw the bit about her being a magistrate, thought that it was incorrect, but checked with Ann before I posted.

Do you discuss the case often with Ann?

[vidvic]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

Why - because reading the posts the impression is given, in my opinion, you had made the telephone call in order to clarify a point in discussion. You posted 'Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no! '

I just got the impression from reading your post that you had rung in the last day or so.

Just seeking clarity.

Sorry Curious, now I see what you meant. I thought you were asking for the time. When I read the justice for all report I saw the bit about her being a magistrate, thought that it was incorrect, but checked with Ann before I posted.

Do you discuss the case often with Ann?

I have spent the last 20 odd years discussing the case with all the family, yes.

[curiousessex]

Ann was never a magistrate. It is therfore, for me, hard to take seriously a report with such a provable error, which is then further commented on to imply deception.

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I would like to hear it from the horses mouth, if she was not a magistrate, not the stable boy...

Vidic, you did say it was a provable error.So.

Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no!

When did you call Vidvic?

Why?

Why - because reading the posts the impression is given, in my opinion, you had made the telephone call in order to clarify a point in discussion. You posted 'Yes cliff, bad choice of words. All I can do, which I did, was phone her and say "were you ever a magistrate?" and she laughed and said no! '

I just got the impression from reading your post that you had rung in the last day or so.

Just seeking clarity.

Sorry Curious, now I see what you meant. I thought you were asking for the time. When I read the justice for all report I saw the bit about her being a magistrate, thought that it was incorrect, but checked with Ann before I posted.

Do you discuss the case often with Ann?

I have spent the last 20 odd years discussing the case with all the family, yes.

What is the considered opinion of the book 'Blood Relations' by Roger Wilkes? As I understand it a number of parties, including Jeremy, made contributions to the book etc.

[vidvic]

It's very important because Roger came into the project believing there to have been a MOJ and ended up, after considerable research and interviews, believing JB to be guilty.

[curiousessex]

It's very important because Roger came into the project believing there to have been a MOJ and ended up, after considerable research and interviews, believing JB to be guilty.

I do beleive the book was very well researched and ended up leaving the reader to make up their own mind. I have to add there is a hint in conclusion of guilt from the author towards the end of the book.

I do not think Roger actually stated he beleived Jeremy to be guilty in so many words within the book. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[vidvic]

Yes, that is true, he didn't spell it out, but he did come to the 2002 appeal to show is support to the family.