Who was turning lights on and off inside the farmhouse if everyone was dead?

[mike tesko]

And...

How could all this / that be true, if Sheila's body had remained untouched and unmoved after the firearms team had first stumbled upon her body by 8.10am, until PC Bird came along at around 11.00 am to capture her body insitu where it had been since the moment it had been found, if what Dr Craig (8.44am) and Stan Jones and Mick Clark had seen (9.05am)?

[mike tesko]

And...

How could all this / that be true, if Sheila's body had remained untouched and unmoved after the firearms team had first stumbled upon her body by 8.10am, until PC Bird came along at around 11.00 am to capture her body insitu where it had been since the moment it had been found, if what Dr Craig (8.44am) and Stan Jones and Mick Clark had seen (9.05am)?

How did the .22 anshuzt rifle get from its position leaning against the box room window as seen and reported by WPC Julia Jeapes', onto the body of Sheila Caffell, if Sheila had already been shot dead by the time Julia Jeapes' had spotted the rifle leaning against the box room window?

[mike tesko]

Sheila couldn't have been shot at the time the .22 anshuzt rifle appeared at the box room window, and already be dead on the parents bedroom floor in possession of the same rifle!

[mike tesko]

With the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle being the only rifle present and found upstairs, and seen at the box room window by Julia Jeapes', how could this / that rifle have been used to shoot Sheila across the neck downstairs in the kitchen as per reference to her being reported dead there from 7.35am, onwards?

And..

If she had been shot on the first occasion by use of the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, why did the police arrange for and allow the original piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) to be substituted and replaced with a WHOLE test fired round which had subsequently been test fired via the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle on a much later occasion?

[mike tesko]

Let's also not forget the 'otger' .22 rifle that was captured in a crime scene photograph taken in the kitchen which officers were told not to make mention of in their notes, reports, or witness statements!

[lookout]

The pics of June and Sheila that are on the forum aren't how they'd been originally found. I've always been struck by the fact that there's a folded/rolled up large rug on the floor by the side of a bed. This rug/carpet would have been over the existing fitted beige ? carpet and would also have been saturated in blood given the injuries which June had. So the pics of Sheila and June that we see aren't the " true " pics of the scene as it had happened.
Therefore their bodies would have been moved in order to have removed the large rug/carpet which would have been beneath them. The rug/carpet would have been a similar arrangement as is seen in Sheila's bedroom.
Why didn't EP admit to moving the bodies when removing the carpet ? This would have been the carpet that was burned along with other items.
Are the original pics of the scene as it happened being withheld ?

[mike tesko]

The pics of June and Sheila that are on the forum aren't how they'd been originally found. I've always been struck by the fact that there's a folded/rolled up large rug on the floor by the side of a bed. This rug/carpet would have been over the existing fitted beige ? carpet and would also have been saturated in blood given the injuries which June had. So the pics of Sheila and June that we see aren't the " true " pics of the scene as it had happened.
Therefore their bodies would have been moved in order to have removed the large rug/carpet which would have been beneath them. The rug/carpet would have been a similar arrangement as is seen in Sheila's bedroom.
Why didn't EP admit to moving the bodies when removing the carpet ? This would have been the carpet that was burned along with other items.
Are the original pics of the scene as it happened being withheld ?

Lookout...

The problem Essex police and the CPS have, is that PC Bird was not the only photographer who took photographs at the scene on that first morning, because DC Oakey and DC Henderson also took crime scene photographs and a video of the crime scene before and during the police exercise which I keep alluding to as 'informatives'...

The true positions of the three adult bodies from 8.44am until 11.00am, were captured by Oakey and Henderson, and then along came PC Bird to capture the repositioned bodies in his photographs! This was what really did happen - if all the photographs which were taken by Oakey and Henderson between 9 and 11.00am, and the photographs that PC Bird took from 11.00am onwards were disclosed it would confirm that police staged Sheila Caffell's death scene on the main bedroom floor with the anshuzt rifle from the box room window, and the other .22 rifle which was present in the kitchen would be identifiable!

[mike tesko]

Not only that / this but the photographs of Sheila's body laid on top of the bed with only one bullet entry wound to her neck by that stage would serve to confirm that Sheila received the second fatal shot after 9.00am, supporting what Stan Jones and Mick Clark saw of Sheila's body laid on the parents bed with only a single bullet wound to her neck at around 9.05am...

I have no doubt that Oakey and Henderson captured both the body of Sheila and June laid on top of the bed, with the rifle in-between both bodies and a Bible on Sheila's chest at a time when Sheila had only been shot once!

But the Criminal Justice System is Corrupt and they look after each others interests!

Essex police will never admit what they did in shooting and killing Sheila Caffell, or that they staged her death scene as a suicide, even though they did, and they know that quite a lot of people know that they did!

You can't believe anything the police in general or the CPS have to say, they are all legalised liars!

[Jane]

Well, first of all, everyone was not dead whilst the police remained outside of the Farmhouse!

And the truth of the matter is that the police did believe that it was Sheila who was mimicking the dog barking, in response to their challenges by loud hailer! I guess it was a case of, Sheila responding with one bark for yes, and two barks for no! We know for example, because it states it in one of the police message logs, that firearms officers were in conversation with a person from inside the farm - now if this conversation which the firearms team were having with that person was not by use of language when the person was being challenged by the police, it must surely be the case that this is reference to the person responding with a series of dog barks!

Furthermore, it was Neville Bamber who informed the police that my daughter has got hold of one of my guns, and that she has gone berserk!

So it is somewhat misleading on your part, to try to suggest that it had been Jeremy who had planted these ideas into the Minds of the police - the contents of the 3.26am police Message log which is a recording of Neville bamber's call to the police, gives a clear indication that it was he who had informed the police that his daughter had got hold of one of his guns, thus alerting the police to the fact that there were several guns also belonging to him at the Farmhouse which is daughter (SheilaCaffell) could potentially get hold of or have access to!

It was Neville Bamber Who at 3.26am told the police that his daughter has gone berserk!

By the fact that Nevill Bamber had told the police on this occasion, 'my daughter has got hold of one of my guns', and 'she has gone berserk', surely it was he who had planted any idea that of Sheila going berserk at the farmhouse with one of the many guns which the police themselves would have known were licensed to be kept there?

No need to blame Jeremy Bamber then..

The matter doesn't end there either, since throughout the incident or as the case may be the Siege, no-one reported seing any weapon shotgun or rifle at any window of the Farmhouse upstairs or downstairs, until around 7: 15 am, when wpc Julia jeapes reported what she thought was a rifle leaning against a first floor box room window! Of course, no one is suggesting that the dog 'Crispy' had placed that rifle there at such a convenient moment, a moment which Fell after the arrival of the two ambulances and paramedics (7.00am), who had been summoned to attend the scene to tend to the Wounded and dying. What Essex Police have not said, was who was responsible for requesting the attendance of the ambulances, and what was shouted to the occupants of the Farmhouse after the arrival of those ambulances requesting that the weapon is shown at a window before they would allow the paramedics to come into and enter  the farmhouse..

The only information available is that although two ambulances arrived at the scene only one of them and it's crew was to go directly to the farmhouse! Yet that did not happen, because the police were worried that Sheila might either take them hostage or shoot them! At about 7: 15 am, the anschutz rifle suddenly appeared at the box room window, which coincided with a 6 man firearms squad commencing its approach to enter the Farmhouse by force and bring the Siege to an end...

There was someone still alive inside the Farmhouse at 7: 15 am in order for them or that person to place the anschutz rifle at the box room window!

What we then know happened was that after the firearms team had broken into the Farmhouse and upon entering the Kitchen, they reported the presence of two dead bodies, this was at 7: 35 am, and in a barrage of other messages which were passed, timed at 7: 37 am, 7.38 am, 7.42am and 7.45am, it was repeatedly confirmed that the two bodies in question, were in fact the bodies of 1 dead male and 1 dead female, and to be more precise so that there can be no doubt about the presence of two bodies in the kitchen on these occasions, one of these dead bodies was being described as a murder, Whilst the other body was being referred to as a suicide!

These reported facts, make a nonsense of the suggestion that there had been some sort of confusion, involving the presence of only one body in the kitchen, by a reliance on a report that a police officer had looked into the kitchen window from outside and reported seeing what he thought was the body of a female behind the kitchen door! Which turned out to be the body of Neville Bamber once the firearms team entered the Farmhouse and in particular the kitchen! However, even if this mistake was a genuine one, never the less, upon entering the kitchen and realising the mistake in connection with that body directly behind the kitchen door, which turned out to be the body of Neville Bamber, and not the body of a dead female, it is rather astonishing that after reporting the discovery of Neville bambers body once the firearms team had got into the kitchen, that they should also go on to say that there had also been the body of 1 dead female, in fact, two dead bodies, the body of one dead male, and the body of 1 dead female, which is a totally different scenario, to the one where a body has been mistakenly identified as a female from the vantage point of standing outside the kitchen window Looking In, prior to entry into the Farmhouse, and upon entry being gained into the Farmhouse the body in question being found to be the body of a dead male..

In the circumstances, I can accept that such a mistake could have been made in relation to the body behind the kitchen door, and that the body was that of Neville Bamber!

but upon entering the kitchen the police found a second body there, the body of a female, with no suggestion that there was any mistake about the presence of that second body, which in all the circumstances of the case could only have been an adult female, since there were three adult victims, consisting of 1 male and two females! The real give away evidence which confirms that it was Sheila Caffell's body downstairs in the kitchen, as reported in the variously timed police radio message logs, as opposed to the body of June Bamber, was that by 7.45am staff back in the control room were talking in terms of the female body being a suicide! Since in the Cold Light of Day and with the benefit of hindsight, June Bambers death could only be described as a murder in view of the fact that she had been shot a total of 7 times, and with no weapon photographed in her possession...

So..

With only one . 22 type rifle found upstairs (anshuzt rifle), and with that rifle being seen resting against the inside of a first floor box room window Prior to the police forcing entry into the premises, the only way that that rifle could end up in the possession of Sheila Caffells body in time for PC bird (2nd SOCo team) to photograph it there after 11.00am, must have involved someone, a living person, who must have collected the rifle from the box room window, in order for it to end up in possession of Sheila Caffells body much later on, on the bedroom floor! If the police had no involvement in the movement of that rifle from one upstairs room to the other, then of course the only other person who could have carried out this exercise, in all of the circumstances, was Sheila Cavell herself...

I do not believe that if Jeremy Bamber have been the Killer,that he would have staged his sister's death scene on the parents bedroom floor, and place the anschutz rifle at the window of a box room next door to that bedroom, and expect to fool the police into believing that his sister had taken her own life, after she had shot and killed the other four victims!

Naturally police believed Sheila was running round like a whirling Dervish with a gun because Jeremy had cleverly led them down that particular path of belief just far enough for them to make two and two make five. There was NO conversation EVER with anyone alive in the house because there was no one alive in the house. If it wasn't Jeremy who 'misled' police, who was it? There was no one else there and the only message the police received was from Jeremy who relayed what his father had allegedly said to him, since when there has been a gross misleading of the public, beginning with whoever it was who suggested to Jeremy that a way out for him could begin by saying his father had phoned the police, and Jeremy released that information. Repeating the same information, in different guises, over and over again doesn't make true ANY of what you'd have us believe.

[lookout]

Lookout...

The problem Essex police and the CPS have, is that PC Bird was not the only photographer who took photographs at the scene on that first morning, because DC Oakey and DC Henderson also took crime scene photographs and a video of the crime scene before and during the police exercise which I keep alluding to as 'informatives'...

The true positions of the three adult bodies from 8.44am until 11.00am, were captured by Oakey and Henderson, and then along came PC Bird to capture the repositioned bodies in his photographs! This was what really did happen - if all the photographs which were taken by Oakey and Henderson between 9 and 11.00am, and the photographs that PC Bird took from 11.00am onwards were disclosed it would confirm that police staged Sheila Caffell's death scene on the main bedroom floor with the anshuzt rifle from the box room window, and the other .22 rifle which was present in the kitchen would be identifiable!

I understand, but why hasn't anyone admitted that everything was staged ? EP certainly knew !

[Caroline]

I understand, but why hasn't anyone admitted that everything was staged ? EP certainly knew !

They have, they have admitted it was staged by Jeremy.

[lookout]

They have, they have admitted it was staged by Jeremy.

Funny ! Just as if they listened to him  Why do you think he's where he is ? Because they DIDN'T listen to him !!  But by the same token it seems that he's not the only one who lies ??

[Caroline]

Funny ! Just as if they listened to him  Why do you think he's where he is ? Because they DIDN'T listen to him !!  But by the same token it seems that he's not the only one who lies ??

This may come as a surprise Lookout, so best sit down. He's where he is because he murdered five people in cold blood, including two six year old children. So you admit he does lie?

[Jane]

Funny ! Just as if they listened to him  Why do you think he's where he is ? Because they DIDN'T listen to him !!  But by the same token it seems that he's not the only one who lies ??

BUT THEY DID!! Where have you been? They took every word he said as gospel -and you KNOW that because you've previously called them fools and idiots for no checking him out before believing him.

[lookout]

This may come as a surprise Lookout, so best sit down. He's where he is because he murdered five people in cold blood, including two six year old children. So you admit he does lie?

It's you who said he lies, I was being facetious when you mentioned EP. What a weak reply as usual with no substance. You're beginning to sound like a parrot.
JB couldn't have fought his way out of a paper bag let alone kill 5 people !