julie mugford

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Perhaps, but then why would she need 32 or so interviews with the Police to repeat this?

So you could earn a fortune in expenses? 

Or maybe, just maybe, the police needed to be 100% sure it wasn't a spurned lover seeking revenge.

Or maybe, just maybe, she had a deal with a newspaper.

But definitely, 100% definitely, she wasn't collecting it at the police station.

[curiousessex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

Yes

[chochokeira]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?

I don't think 'woman' is attracted to mass murderers per se! 

JM was perfectly happy with Jeremy until he ditched her and then she exacted her revenge.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not privy to any of their conversations at the time. Yes JM may well have decided to go with the flow, keep stum.

Or, she was struggling with her conscience, with the break up the final straw.

We don't know, and can only guess.

JM's concience didn't stuggle one iota while she was holidaying in the best hotels in Amersterdam and elsewhere with Jeremy.

It didn't struggle when she was out wining and dining with him.

It didn't bat an eyelid when he gave her the money for designer clothes.

It didn't give her a moment's grief when, before they broke up she accepted £400 from him - yet if JM really believed Jeremy was a killer or hirer of a hitman she would surely have considered that blood money, wouldn't she?

The evidence of JM's actions as opposed to her claims suggests that JM was happy as Larry to live the high life with jeremy and hadn't a qualm...until he jilted her.

[HMEssex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Well this is interesting (and annoying as I cannot find the source anymore), as I've read that MacDonald had a connection with the married woman JB had previously been living with.  So it wasn't just a random name, there had to be a reason why she brought him into the scheme.

[curiousessex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

Yes

In my opinion, a lovers tiff seeking a deep cold revenge would be supported more if she had outwardly named Jeremy. I must add I think the newspaper deal was wrong.

When everything appears to be put aside all Julie has done in testimony is repeat telephone conversations she says she has had with Jeremy. It is just the content that is in dispute. Some of it was even proven to be untrue i.e. Macdonald

[chochokeira]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

Yes

I understand that one of Jeremy's former girlfriends was pals with Mcdonald's girlfriend.

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

Yes

I understand that one of Jeremy's former girlfriends was pals with Mcdonald's girlfriend.

Didn't donkeyDave say they went shooting together, JB and Macdonald?

[HMEssex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

Yes

I understand that one of Jeremy's former girlfriends was pals with Mcdonald's girlfriend.

But thats just your take on their relationship, as you don't know what is being said etc.

I'd suggest JM had gone cold towards him, forcing JB to go looking up ex's for his pleasure, there's evidence to suggest this, no?

I'd suggest the opposite.  JB had gone cold towards JM.  She overheard him arranging to meet an ex, so threw an ornament at him etc, etc...

[jon]

Are there any men on here who can kill five people , then jump into bed with the missus or girlfriend and have sex ? JM allowed Jeremy bamber too !!

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

Did Jeremy know Macdonald?

Yes

I understand that one of Jeremy's former girlfriends was pals with Mcdonald's girlfriend.

But thats just your take on their relationship, as you don't know what is being said etc.

I'd suggest JM had gone cold towards him, forcing JB to go looking up ex's for his pleasure, there's evidence to suggest this, no?

I'd suggest the opposite.  JB had gone cold towards JM.  She overheard him arranging to meet an ex, so threw an ornament at him etc, etc...

Yes, but why was JB arranging to meet an ex?

[paulg]

Are there any men on here who can kill five people , then jump into bed with the missus or girlfriend and have sex ? JM allowed Jeremy bamber too !!

She thought Macdonald was the killer? no?

[Alias]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?

I don't think 'woman' is attracted to mass murderers per se! 

JM was perfectly happy with Jeremy until he ditched her and then she exacted her revenge.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not privy to any of their conversations at the time. Yes JM may well have decided to go with the flow, keep stum.

Or, she was struggling with her conscience, with the break up the final straw.

We don't know, and can only guess.

JM's concience didn't stuggle one iota while she was holidaying in the best hotels in Amersterdam and elsewhere with Jeremy.

It didn't struggle when she was out wining and dining with him.

It didn't bat an eyelid when he gave her the money for designer clothes.

It didn't give her a moment's grief when, before they broke up she accepted £400 from him - yet if JM really believed Jeremy was a killer or hirer of a hitman she would surely have considered that blood money, wouldn't she?

The evidence of JM's actions as opposed to her claims suggests that JM was happy as Larry to live the high life with jeremy and hadn't a qualm...until he jilted her.

You have had some really good posts on this thread, chocho! +1

I would like to add that Julie had no problem visiting Colin Caffell with Jeremy. Colin, the devastated and grieving father.
She had no problem identifying the supposed victims of her lover´s brutal slayings! Not at all... she volunteered!
She had no problem attending the funerals of all of the victims - and no problem with that Sheila didn´t get the service she deserved if she was only a victim! To my understanding, Sheila got very few words from the minister before being laid to rest. No, no problem: Julie was there comforting the alleged killer!
Julie Mugford had no problem that Sheila and her sons were buried far away from each other, because Sheila was the alleged killer.

No matter how you look at this case, Julie Mugford is a... hmm, strange woman and comes out of it looking very, very bad! Can´t blame her for fleeing to Australia, then Canada! 

[jon]

Are there any men on here who can kill five people , then jump into bed with the missus or girlfriend and have sex ? JM allowed Jeremy bamber too !!

She thought Macdonald was the killer? no?

So it would be alright if you paid for them to be killed ? Your missus have that Paul ?

[andrea]

just a bit about the funerals.


sheilas funeral was held seperate to the twins, but on the day of the twins funeral in london colin made sure that sheilas ashes were at the service and her ashes were then interred with the twins.

ann eaton suggested sheila should only have black flowers at her funeral, she claims she only said this to get a reaction from jeremy.


and yes at  sheilas and her parents funerals sheila was hardly mentioned the twins were not mentioned at all, it was mostly about june, that left colin fuming (understandable)