julie mugford

[curiousessex]

i'm sorry if you've already talked about this but can i ask what julie mugford's position will be if jeremy bamber has an appeal?
i've read that several people would be in danger of being charged with perjury so would this apply to her as well?

It is unusual in a case where a defendant succeeds on appeal for there to be perjury charges brought against those who gave evidence for the prosecution at trial.  However it is certainly possible where an appeal succeeds upon the basis of demonstrating that a witness or group of witnesses gave false (rather than mistaken) evidence at trial, with the intention of securing the conviction of an innocent man, for the DPP to consider prosecutions for perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.  However the burden and standard of proof in such a case is just the same as in any criminal case so success in an appeal upon the basis of "fit up" does not automatically result in prosecutions of the police and other witnesses involved.

   

I would have thought Julie would be OK. From what I have read most of the evidence between Jeremy and Julie was he said versus she said. In parts some of it corroborates and in parts some of does not corroborate.

I am sure Julie would maintain what she said at the original trial was correct.

How does one prove otherwise?

Julie can maintain she was only repeating what Jeremy said to her in conversation. It remains a possibility that Jeremy could still have told Julie what Julie detailed to the Court that Jeremy had said and still be innocent.......

Am I right in thinking that JM had upwards of thirty interviews to get her story right.

Apparently so.  This is a very unusual level of contact before trial between a prosecution witness and the police/DPP.  I have seen no explanation for this.

 

Yep, all those interviews, and she still didn't name JB as the killer, useless police IMO.

Interesting........ so Julie througout all her interviews and statements she gave to the Police only detailed / repeated what Jeremy allegedly said to her. She never named Jeremy as the murderer....is that correct?

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

[curiousessex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

[chochokeira]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

[HMEssex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

Good post Keira. 

JM was hardly a credible 'witness' in my opinion.

[chochokeira]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?

[andrea]

evening all 

[paulg]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

[chochokeira]

evening all 

Hi, Andrea!

[HMEssex]

evening all 

Good Evening Andrea!

[chochokeira]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?

No. I'm querying just who exactly did tell JM that, first, McDonald was the killer and, later, that it was Jeremy.

[chochokeira]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.

Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Well, it might not have been Essex police, but they aren't the only force in the country.

[HMEssex]

She named Macdonald as the killer.

Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.

Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?

I don't think 'woman' is attracted to mass murderers per se! 

JM was perfectly happy with Jeremy until he ditched her and then she exacted her revenge.