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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2011, 08:25:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.


Well, it might not have been Essex police, but they aren't the only force in the country.

So who do you suggest would instigate her saying this?

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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2011, 08:26:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.


Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.



Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?




I don't think 'woman' is attracted to mass murderers per se! 

JM was perfectly happy with Jeremy until he ditched her and then she exacted her revenge.


Well said, CE +1

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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2011, 08:32:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.


Not quite. JM told three very different stories.

First, JM behaved as though Sheila was the killer. JM was then clearly delighted to be Jeremy's girlfriend, going on holiday, out for meals and out drinking with him, with no qualms whatosever.

Only after she was jilted by Jeremy did JM name McDonald as the killer, claiming that he was Jeremy's hitman.

Later, when that proved to be untrue because Mathew McDonald had a water tight alibi, JM changed her mind yet again.

JM then told the Daily Mirror, "I sincerely believe" that Jeremy killed his family. JM said much the same to the News of the World", who paid her £25,000 for her story - once the police had given her immunity from prosecution.



Yes i also find it strange how woman can be attracted to mass murderers, i think thats what you're hinting at?




I don't think 'woman' is attracted to mass murderers per se! 

JM was perfectly happy with Jeremy until he ditched her and then she exacted her revenge.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not privy to any of their conversations at the time. Yes JM may well have decided to go with the flow, keep stum.

Or, she was struggling with her conscience, with the break up the final straw.

We don't know, and can only guess.

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Re: julie mugford
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2011, 08:33:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2011, 08:37:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2011, 08:38:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?





Perhaps, but then why would she need 32 or so interviews with the Police to repeat this?

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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2011, 08:41:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?





Perhaps, but then why would she need 32 or so interviews with the Police to repeat this?

Putting the number of interviews aside

So Correct........ yes

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« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2011, 08:41:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?





Perhaps, but then why would she need 32 or so interviews with the Police to repeat this?

So you could earn a fortune in expenses?  ;)

Or maybe, just maybe, the police needed to be 100% sure it wasn't a spurned lover seeking revenge.

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« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2011, 08:43:PM »
Correct CE.

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« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2011, 08:44:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?





Perhaps, but then why would she need 32 or so interviews with the Police to repeat this?

Putting the number of interviews aside

So Correct........ yes




Oh, come on!

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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2011, 08:45:PM »
evening all  :)

Evening btw Andrea x

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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2011, 08:46:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.


Well, it might not have been Essex police, but they aren't the only force in the country.

So who do you suggest would instigate her saying this?


No one! I'm not suggesting anyone put that in her mind...though David Shaw does, and what he claims is very interesting.

Shaw claims that a man named Carr who worked for the family had a police officer son who worked for COLP. Shaw questions why officer Carr was fingerprinted when he had never been at the scene of the crime...or had he been there - and why?

Shaw claims that officer Carr had an hour long meeting during which he discussed the case with EP, made 13 points that the extended had asked to be raised and (perhaps later) made notes about the case. Shaw further claims that officer Carr gave his father, the extended family's employee, a report of that meeting.

Shaw's manuscript contains a letter that Shaw claims employee Carr wrote to the extended family about that meeting, the letter includes an offer to give the family officer Carr's notes of the meeting.

Were this letter and officer Carr's long discussion of the case with EP , Shaw asks, where JM obtained sufficiently detailed knowledge of the case to impress Stan Jones and the jury that what she claimed had the ring of truth to it? For despite getting a number of her facts wildly wrong, JM knew certain details which had not been publicised.

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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2011, 08:46:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2011, 08:47:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?

Correct

Again being devils advocate

Julie technically has not accused anyone of being the murderer. In fact the one name mentioned from a repeated conversation had an alibi and was eliminated from enquiries.

Did Julie know Macdonald or was Macdonald just a name to her?

I think just a name, but i'm not 100% sure.

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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2011, 08:48:PM »
She named Macdonald as the killer.

Did Julie name Macdonald as in accusing him (i.e. I think it is Macdonald) or did she repeat what she said she was told?

Repeated what she was told.

Yep, she kept up a charade for a while.

Now she's accused of keeping up a charade for even longer, 25+ years longer.


Yes, she repeated what she was told, alright, but told by whom?

Well certainly not the police, she'd have made things far easier if she named JB.

Putting the lovers tiff aside and playing devils advocate.........

So all Julie did during her testimony and witness statements is repeat what she said Jeremy said to her in conversations.

Correct or Incorrect?





Perhaps, but then why would she need 32 or so interviews with the Police to repeat this?

So you could earn a fortune in expenses?  ;)

Or maybe, just maybe, the police needed to be 100% sure it wasn't a spurned lover seeking revenge.




Or maybe, just maybe, she had a deal with a newspaper.