Video re photographs non-disclosure

[Jane]

Sorry I have to disagree with one thing . The makers of the programme won’t have any worries . It is advertised as a drama  not a documentary so it won’t really matter what they say or do . They have given themselves artistic licence. And I think we have to respect Colin’s reasons for being involved . He says he wants the emotional effect of the crime to be known from his point of view. And his perspective is his perspective. He went through an awful time that none of us can really imagine .

Thank-you for that, Jan. I tire of hearing Colin alluded to as pimping off this tragedy.

[lookout]

Sorry I have to disagree with one thing . The makers of the programme won’t have any worries . It is advertised as a drama  not a documentary so it won’t really matter what they say or do . They have given themselves artistic licence. And I think we have to respect Colin’s reasons for being involved . He says he wants the emotional effect of the crime to be known from his point of view. And his perspective is his perspective. He went through an awful time that none of us can really imagine .

My thoughts go to the McCann's on this score, to keep their case in the public arena. Sadly their end isn't in sight.

[JackieD]

But Jan we are talking about someone possibly innocent that’s been in prison for over 30 years and we are once again discussing missing photographs

Every few years one of the family goes on TV saying they know Jeremy is guilty or bragging they have spent are the hard earned Bamber money

There are too many coverups in this case for there not to be something seriously wrong with the conviction

Let’s concentrate on getting to the truth and as Colin appears to have taken the word of Julie Mugford has he ever said that he worried about his judgement when he found out Julie had signed the news of the world deal
Before trial.

If I had lost my 2 children in such tragic circumstances I would not stop till I found out the truth and I would
certainly be concerned about the way the investigation has panned out over 30 years

As for the programme makers not being worried you should watch Graham Norton because Stephen Grahame certainly was worried about talking about the programne

[JackieD]

Sorry I have to disagree with one thing . The makers of the programme won’t have any worries . It is advertised as a drama  not a documentary so it won’t really matter what they say or do . They have given themselves artistic licence. And I think we have to respect Colin’s reasons for being involved . He says he wants the emotional effect of the crime to be known from his point of view. And his perspective is his perspective. He went through an awful time that none of us can really imagine .

Jan this is how itv are promoting the new drama

Factual

ITV's six part factual drama, White House Farm, revolves around one fateful ... with Mark Addy as DS Stan Jones and Stephen Graham as DCI 'Taff' Jones. ..... The most talked about guessing game on TV returns.

[Jan]

But Jan we are talking about someone possibly innocent that’s been in prison for over 30 years and we are once again discussing missing photographs

Every few years one of the family goes on TV saying they know Jeremy is guilty or bragging they have spent are the hard earned Bamber money

There are too many coverups in this case for there not to be something seriously wrong with the conviction

Let’s concentrate on getting to the truth and as Colin appears to have taken the word of Julie Mugford has he ever said that he worried about his judgement when he found out Julie had signed the news of the world deal
Before trial.

If I had lost my 2 children in such tragic circumstances I would not stop till I found out the truth and I would
certainly be concerned about the way the investigation has panned out over 30 years

As for the programme makers not being worried you should watch Graham Norton because Stephen Grahame certainly was worried about talking about the programne

Yes but Colin obviously trusts the court so that’s his angle . Whatever the truth it was either his ex wife or someone he considered a friend . So really it’s a no win situation for him . It won’t bring back the boys will it .

I found his book a bit odd but I don’t think jeremy being in jail is his responsibility . And I can’t see anyway he has been able to speak up even if he wanted to .

[lookout]

Colin hadn't put much trust in the relatives after he'd received a phone-call from DB meant for AP about the " blockbusting " headlines showing JB as the killer.

Stan Jone's hadn't proved himself to be too friendly towards Colin either when he told Colin he'd have to go and identify the bodies of his sons. Colin clearly told him " he couldn't ", but insisted as he was the only one who could tell them apart. Colin had still refused and said he couldn't believe the man because he was so pressing.
When Heather had offered, Jones ignored her.

[Jan]

Jan this is how itv are promoting the new drama

Factual

ITV's six part factual drama, White House Farm, revolves around one fateful ... with Mark Addy as DS Stan Jones and Stephen Graham as DCI 'Taff' Jones. ..... The most talked about guessing game on TV returns.

Yes but still a drama it excuses them from legal liability. Unless they portray EP as the keystone cops and they get angry , could be interesting .

[Caroline]

Colin hadn't put much trust in the relatives after he'd received a phone-call from DB meant for AP about the " blockbusting " headlines showing JB as the killer.

Stan Jone's hadn't proved himself to be too friendly towards Colin either when he told Colin he'd have to go and identify the bodies of his sons. Colin clearly told him " he couldn't ", but insisted as he was the only one who could tell them apart. Colin had still refused and said he couldn't believe the man because he was so pressing.
When Heather had offered, Jones ignored her.

Which is why Julie did it.

[Jan]

Which is why Julie did it.

Which would be very brave and thoughtful of her if she did not already know why they had been killed and by whom .

Her opportunity to tell someone .

[Caroline]

Which would be very brave and thoughtful of her if she did not already know why they had been killed and by whom .

Her opportunity to tell someone .

It was indeed - I imagine that first day everyone was in shock and confused - even Julie. There is no question that she should have told at the earliest opportunity. However, she didn't sit on it for years or months, it was 4 weeks (ish).

[Jan]

It was indeed - I imagine that first day everyone was in shock and confused - even Julie. There is no question that she should have told at the earliest opportunity. However, she didn't sit on it for years or months, it was 4 weeks (ish).

 You would have thought tonight’s the night would have been a little clue though.

It’s also a shame that shock and confusion can be used as an excuse for some but not others .

[Caroline]

You would have thought tonight’s the night would have been a little clue though.

It’s also a shame that shock and confusion can be used as an excuse for some but not others .

I could say the same in reverse. However, you'd hardly be in shock if you were the killer.

[Jane]

You would have thought tonight’s the night would have been a little clue though.

It’s also a shame that shock and confusion can be used as an excuse for some but not others .

The problem here is empathy, or more correctly, LACK of it. You, and others, are SO certain how you'd have felt and sure of what you'd have done. The truth is, you only THINK you know. Unless you -or I- were any of those who played a part in this tragedy, and had their history, we haven't a clue.

[Caroline]

The problem here is empathy, or more correctly, LACK of it. You, and others, are SO certain how you'd have felt and sure of what you'd have done. The truth is, you only THINK you know. Unless you -or I- were any of those who played a part in this tragedy, and had their history, we haven't a clue.

Jeremy didn't actually say he killed the family, he said it was MM who at the time, was supposed to be a mercenary. That's quite a bit to take in.

[Jan]

I could say the same in reverse. However, you'd hardly be in shock if you were the killer.

Not sure that every murderer reacts in the same way tbh. That’s a bit of a generalisation.

Apparently jeremy was in shock and vomiting as confirmed by the police and other observers.