Video re photographs non-disclosure

[gringo]

So she's lying? I make things up and Bird was a specialist? OK silly man - you're just making yourself look foolish! 

   It has been demonstrated that you made things up earlier in this thread when you claimed that:

   1) PC Bird had done no courses as it wasn't a requirement (no source for this claim and then debunked). So where was it from if not made up by you? Who told you that PC Bird had done no courses? Or did you just make it up?
   2)  PC Bird was not referred to as a specialist ( it was in the full COLP interview notes that you partially posted) Are your comprehension skills so poor that you missed the part of the interview that literally discussed his specialist role?
   3)  What you actually meant was that PC Bird himself had not referred to himself as a specialist ( it was also in the full COLP interview notes that you partially posted) Did you miss that bit too? I've told you that you need to read more carefully because you keep missing out vital pieces of information. Whether this is oversight or deliberate only you know; we can only guess.

   The vital pieces of information were left out initially by you when you posted only out of context quotes from the interview but you have assured us that you didn't leave out the bits which contradict your spin in order to mislead.

[Caroline]

   It has been demonstrated that you made things up earlier in this thread when you claimed that:

   1) PC Bird had done no courses as it wasn't a requirement (no source for this claim and then debunked). So where was it from if not made up by you? Who told you that PC Bird had done no courses? Or did you just make it up?
   2)  PC Bird was not referred to as a specialist ( it was in the full COLP interview notes that you partially posted) Are your comprehension skills so poor that you missed the part of the interview that literally discussed his specialist role?
   3)  What you actually meant was that PC Bird himself had not referred to himself as a specialist ( it was also in the full COLP interview notes that you partially posted) Did you miss that bit too? I've told you that you need to read more carefully because you keep missing out vital pieces of information. Whether this is oversight or deliberate only you know; we can only guess.

   The vital pieces of information were left out initially by you when you posted only out of context quotes from the interview but you have assured us that you didn't leave out the bits which contradict your spin in order to mislead.

Once again, your post is about me - I think you are doing this to distract from the FACT you were wrong. Simply because the word 'specialist' was used in the interview, you applied it to Bird in order to try and make it sound as if there was no way the strips could contain unusable photographs. Turns out he was inexperienced and such, the claims may actually be true. However, rather than discuss all possibilities, you're making this about me and now I'm part of a conspiracy (and CAL who recently interviewed him). Think you need to walk the dog, fix your car or bake a pie before you burst a blood vessel.

[Jane]

Once again, your post is about me - I think you are doing this to distract from the FACT you were wrong. Simply because the word 'specialist' was used in the interview, you applied it to Bird in order to try and make it sound as if there was no way the strips could contain unusable photographs. Turns out he was inexperienced and such, the claims may actually be true. However, rather than discuss all possibilities, you're making this about me and now I'm part of a conspiracy (and CAL who recently interviewed him). Think you need to walk the dog, fix your car or bake a pie before you burst a blood vessel.

Isn't there a ball to be balanced, too?

[gringo]

Once again, your post is about me - I think you are doing this to distract from the FACT you were wrong. Simply because the word 'specialist' was used in the interview, you applied it to Bird in order to try and make it sound as if there was no way the strips could contain unusable photographs. Turns out he was inexperienced and such, the claims may actually be true. However, rather than discuss all possibilities, you're making this about me and now I'm part of a conspiracy (and CAL who recently interviewed him). Think you need to walk the dog, fix your car or bake a pie before you burst a blood vessel.

   I haven't shifted my position because I haven't needed to nor have I made up "fake news" to bolster my case.
    How was I wrong?
   Bird was a specialist police photographer with training. You claimed unequivocally that he wasn't. The court record, PC Bird and the COLP state that he was.
   You yourself introduced the term experienced, apropos of nothing, when your initial claims fell apart.

   So you are left with;  "Turns out he was inexperienced and such, the claims may actually be true"
   Hmmm where to begin?

   What you are actually saying here is that all the initial claims that you made that he was just a lowly random officer who had been assigned photographic duties and had no training which probably explains the large amount of unusable film has been thoroughly debunked; or as you put it;
     "Turns out he was inexperienced..."
     That's not what you said at the beginning is it? Even though you had seen the evidence which debunked your own claims.

     "...and such, the claims may actually be true"
    What claims? Who has been making these claims?
    Just you making the claim isn't it? Unusable photos blah blah no training blah lowly officer...
    To recap then. You alone claimed that hundreds of photos were unusable probably down to the fact that Bird was neither a photographer nor a specialist. This is debunked so you change your stance and now posit that, "the claims may actually be true". Claims that you made up based on debunked evidence.

    If you were to post the full CAL interview then you will be able to demonstrate  that you aren't selectively quoting again.

[Jane]

"PC Bird. I was down the other end of the command chain so to speak. Well, there's no one lower than me. Van driver and photographer." Apologies if a comma has been omitted.

That seems to say it all, despite what's being lain on him. This guy doesn't appear to see himself as a professional or specialist anything, and given that it was only the second time he'd done any police photography, I think I feel inclined to agree with him.

We clearly have something rather petty and childish going on here. Greengo appears to have forgotten that he's an adult male? and has resorted to infantile tactics to try to get one over on a fellow poster, to which end he's become like a dog with a bone. His original point, whatever it was, becoming lost in HIS opinion of what he insists Bird was, irrelevant of what Bird claims he was.............or wasn't. Perhaps he could go balance a ball to calm him.

[Caroline]

   I haven't shifted my position because I haven't needed to nor have I made up "fake news" to bolster my case.
    How was I wrong?
   Bird was a specialist police photographer with training. You claimed unequivocally that he wasn't. The court record, PC Bird and the COLP state that he was.
   You yourself introduced the term experienced, apropos of nothing, when your initial claims fell apart.

   So you are left with;  "Turns out he was inexperienced and such, the claims may actually be true"
   Hmmm where to begin?

   What you are actually saying here is that all the initial claims that you made that he was just a lowly random officer who had been assigned photographic duties and had no training which probably explains the large amount of unusable film has been thoroughly debunked; or as you put it;
     "Turns out he was inexperienced..."
     That's not what you said at the beginning is it? Even though you had seen the evidence which debunked your own claims.

     "...and such, the claims may actually be true"
    What claims? Who has been making these claims?
    Just you making the claim isn't it? Unusable photos blah blah no training blah lowly officer...
    To recap then. You alone claimed that hundreds of photos were unusable probably down to the fact that Bird was neither a photographer nor a specialist. This is debunked so you change your stance and now posit that, "the claims may actually be true". Claims that you made up based on debunked evidence.

    If you were to post the full CAL interview then you will be able to demonstrate  that you aren't selectively quoting again.

You're an idiot!

[Caroline]

"PC Bird. I was down the other end of the command chain so to speak. Well, there's no one lower than me. Van driver and photographer." Apologies if a comma has been omitted.

That seems to say it all, despite what's being lain on him. This guy doesn't appear to see himself as a professional or specialist anything, and given that it was only the second time he'd done any police photography, I think I feel inclined to agree with him.

We clearly have something rather petty and childish going on here. Greengo appears to have forgotten that he's an adult male? and has resorted to infantile tactics to try to get one over on a fellow poster, to which end he's become like a dog with a bone. His original point, whatever it was, becoming lost in HIS opinion of what he insists Bird was, irrelevant of what Bird claims he was.............or wasn't. Perhaps he could go balance a ball to calm him.

It was his SECOND case as a photographer. Gringo knows he wasn't a specialist but like a lot of these fools, can't admit he's wrong. He's argues his point to absolute stupidity and because of that, he just can't let go. A conspiracy theorist extraordinaire!

[Caroline]

You're an idiot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR0aGzOftbA

[gringo]

"PC Bird. I was down the other end of the command chain so to speak. Well, there's no one lower than me. Van driver and photographer." Apologies if a comma has been omitted.

That seems to say it all, despite what's being lain on him. This guy doesn't appear to see himself as a professional or specialist anything, and given that it was only the second time he'd done any police photography, I think I feel inclined to agree with him.

We clearly have something rather petty and childish going on here. Greengo appears to have forgotten that he's an adult male? and has resorted to infantile tactics to try to get one over on a fellow poster, to which end he's become like a dog with a bone. His original point, whatever it was, becoming lost in HIS opinion of what he insists Bird was, irrelevant of what Bird claims he was.............or wasn't. Perhaps he could go balance a ball to calm him.

    Do you actually even read the threads you are commenting on? You are using the same out of context quote that has already been debunked and put into context.
    It's good to see that you agree with PC Bird because he refers to himself as a specialist and a police photographer.
    The original point, which has been referred back to a number of times, ( your poor comprehension skills again) is that hundreds of negatives were missing and the strips were cut despite being intact in 2001.
    Caroline offered an explanation for this, which by massive coincidence you agreed with, which consisted of a few selective quotes and a theory that she made up about unusable photographs because Bird wasn't a specialist, qualified or had done any courses.
    When this was shown to be bollocks, the reason for the unusable photographs became Bird's inexperience which we are supposed to believe because of a couple of out of context lines from a book have been posted by someone with demonstrable comprehension/accuracy issues.

[gringo]

It was his SECOND case as a photographer. Gringo knows he wasn't a specialist but like a lot of these fools, can't admit he's wrong. He's argues his point to absolute stupidity and because of that, he just can't let go. A conspiracy theorist extraordinaire!

    Post the full CAL interview. Your interpretations are worthless

[Jane]

    Do you actually even read the threads you are commenting on? You are using the same out of context quote that has already been debunked and put into context.
    It's good to see that you agree with PC Bird because he refers to himself as a specialist and a police photographer.
    The original point, which has been referred back to a number of times, ( your poor comprehension skills again) is that hundreds of negatives were missing and the strips were cut despite being intact in 2001.
    Caroline offered an explanation for this, which by massive coincidence you agreed with, which consisted of a few selective quotes and a theory that she made up about unusable photographs because Bird wasn't a specialist, qualified or had done any courses.
    When this was shown to be bollocks, the reason for the unusable photographs became Bird's inexperience which we are supposed to believe because of a couple of out of context lines from a book have been posted by someone with demonstrable comprehension/accuracy issues.

FFS, Gringo! I'm beginning to think there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with your reasoning skills. I QUOTE bird, himself and you STILL deny what he said. You MIGHT find something which counters it, but the fact remains, HE SAID IT. How dare you imply he meant something different by it just to suit your own desperate need to be right. How DARE you say that everyone who disagrees with YOU -CAL, even Bird himself- is wrong You're  trying to play with words and it's not working.

[Caroline]

    Post the full CAL interview. Your interpretations are worthless

There is NO FULL INTERVIEW! She quotes from the interview she did with him and I posted the FULL exert - buy the bloody book! Your opinion is worthless because you are a full on conspiracy theorist and no matter what is posted, you will deny it. Whatever is posted, the likes of you will bleat on and on about fake news! But here it is again - the '24' is a link to her source information and have posted that as well!
 
The last Scene of Crime officers arrived. Detective Inspector Ron Cook joined the police in 1958 and became a fingerprint officer in 1964. Seventeen years later he was promoted to Detective Inspector and was one of two deputies working at SOCO in Chelmsford under DCI Charles ‘Geordie’ Wright. Cook was accompanied by Detective Constable David Bird, who joined the force in 1976, working on murder photography and chemical treatments as part of a crime scene investigation course. The Bamber case was his second as photographer while he was engaged on the lab treatment. Along with Chris Bews and Taff Jones, Bird had recently worked on the Bull murder in Coggeshall. When told at headquarters to collect five post-mortem kits for White House Farm, he assumed it was a wind-up: ‘Then I looked at the superintendent’s face and saw it was no joke. I went and got the kits.’24

24 David Bird, author interviews, 2014.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Murders-White-House-Farm-shocking-ebook/dp/B00UXKJ0SA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1533405144&sr=8-1&keywords=carol+ann+lee

[gringo]

FFS, Gringo! I'm beginning to think there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with your reasoning skills. I QUOTE bird, himself and you STILL deny what he said. You MIGHT find something which counters it, but the fact remains, HE SAID IT. How dare you imply he meant something different by it just to suit your own desperate need to be right. How DARE you say that everyone who disagrees with YOU -CAL, even Bird himself- is wrong You're  trying to play with words and it's not working.

   The quote had already been put into its full context earlier in this thread. I will do it again so that you can not read it again.


 Supt. McKay: And with the greatest respect to you you were there as a photographer
    PC Bird:        I was down at the other end of the command chain, so to speak. Well I was, there's
                        nobody lower than me, the van driver and the photographer
    Supt. McKay: And then ...
    DS Young:     Actually could I clarify that bit. Am I right in saying that it's actual your, when you were
                        headquarters, it was your specialist role for major incidents.
   PC Bird:         There was three of us as that specialist role.
   Supt. McKay: Of taking photographs
   PC Bird:         Yeah
   DS Young:      Of major incidents
   PC Bird:         We do all the chemical treatment at headquarters and as and when a major incident
                        come up that they required a photographer we was on a rota basis the three of us, and
                        it was just the luck of the draw which one you get.
   Supt. McKay:  Was that sort of 24 hour cover was it David
   PC Bird:         Yeah we took it in turns to provide a 24 hour cover.
   DS Young:      Thank you

    Now can you point me to where I denied that Bird said this. I actually quoted it in full which is hardly a denial or do you just not read anything before shouting through your computer screen.
    Nothing wrong with my reasoning skills. Bird calls himself a specialist. DS young calls him a specialist in the interview that you quote from but apparently you missed all of that part.
    The part that you quote,    I was down at the other end of the command chain, so to speak. Well I was, there's  nobody lower than me, the van driver and the photographer,
   demonstrates only that he was seen as lowly by other officers. It say's nothing of his expertise and the rest of the interview shows the opposite of what you are claiming.
    Why don't you post the full CAL interview? Does it not fully support your contentions? Are you being selective again in order to give a misleading picture, just like with the COLP interview.
    Read before you fire off next time and you can perhaps avoid looking so stupid.
   

[gringo]

There is NO FULL INTERVIEW! She quotes from the interview she did with him and I posted the FULL exert - buy the bloody book! Your opinion is worthless because you are a full on conspiracy theorist and no matter what is posted, you will deny it. Whatever is posted, the likes of you will bleat on and on about fake news! But here it is again - the '24' is a link to her source information and have posted that as well!
 
The last Scene of Crime officers arrived. Detective Inspector Ron Cook joined the police in 1958 and became a fingerprint officer in 1964. Seventeen years later he was promoted to Detective Inspector and was one of two deputies working at SOCO in Chelmsford under DCI Charles ‘Geordie’ Wright. Cook was accompanied by Detective Constable David Bird, who joined the force in 1976, working on murder photography and chemical treatments as part of a crime scene investigation course. The Bamber case was his second as photographer while he was engaged on the lab treatment. Along with Chris Bews and Taff Jones, Bird had recently worked on the Bull murder in Coggeshall. When told at headquarters to collect five post-mortem kits for White House Farm, he assumed it was a wind-up: ‘Then I looked at the superintendent’s face and saw it was no joke. I went and got the kits.’24

24 David Bird, author interviews, 2014.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Murders-White-House-Farm-shocking-ebook/dp/B00UXKJ0SA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1533405144&sr=8-1&keywords=carol+ann+lee

   Your entire theory which has changed completely from the beginning of this thread now hangs entirely on a couple of removed from context lines from one author. That's it. No more claimed support from COLP or Bird just the murder porn writer CAL and you can't even quote that in full.
    It would have been easier to admit that Bird was a specialist at the start as he, COLP and the court all agree, instead of you pretending that they didn't.
   
   

[Caroline]

   Your entire theory which has changed completely from the beginning of this thread now hangs entirely on a couple of removed from context lines from one author. That's it. No more claimed support from COLP or Bird just the murder porn writer CAL and you can't even quote that in full.
    It would have been easier to admit that Bird was a specialist at the start as he, COLP and the court all agree, instead of you pretending that they didn't.
   
   

How has my 'theory' changed you lunatic? I SAID Bird was NOT a specialist and I am STILL saying that. It's no longer a theory though because it was only his SECOND time as a photographer!

Sound bites like 'murder porn' and 'fake news' just make you sound like a paranoid, obsessed fool.