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« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2018, 09:54:PM »
If you say so  ::)






I'm glad/relieved it wasn't me who passed the remark in the first place or I'd have been lambasted for being homophobic  :o Damned if I do damned if I don't.

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« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2018, 09:55:PM »
The video claims that Bird was a professional police photographer - seems he wasn't, it was one of his roles. He was also involved in chemical fingerprinting but his main job was to prepare albums. He had two colleagues and it was 'the luck of the draw; as to which of them would be assigned what - they were on a rota. He described himself as 'the lowest of the low' as far as rank is concerned. The guy clearly was NOT a professional photographer, which makes it more likely that some of the pictures would have been unusable. I agree they shouldn't have been cut but the video is misleading! (And the guys voice is STILL dull!)  :P

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« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2018, 09:58:PM »





I'm glad/relieved it wasn't me who passed the remark in the first place or I'd have been lambasted for being homophobic  :o Damned if I do damned if I don't.

Saying he has a boring voice isn't homophobic! If I had called him a BIG FAIRY, then I could be accused of homophobia. This comment from you is certainly rich given your recent remarks to Mat. This is WHY you get lambasted because you just don't know when to shut up!
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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2018, 10:07:PM »
Bird was finished up within the force for colluding with an informer in the Essex boys case which resulted in two guys being imprisoned under false pretences. He was a photographer in that case too.

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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2018, 10:08:PM »
Bird was finished up within the force for colluding with an informer in the Essex boys case which resulted in two guys being imprisoned under false pretences. He was a photographer in that case too.

It was ONE of his roles!
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« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2018, 10:10:PM »
It was ONE of his roles!






Yeah ! ONE of many !!

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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2018, 10:12:PM »





Yeah ! ONE of many !!

So the idea that he was a professional photographer is incorrect. 
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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2018, 10:21:PM »
So the idea that he was a professional photographer is incorrect.






Yes.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #68 on: August 02, 2018, 10:25:PM »
His narration seemed lacklustre.

The monotonous delivery surprised me from Peter Tatchell

I think he delivered it deliberately slowly to make sure the full meaning of what he was saying was grasped.

what does it matter what he sounded like? what matters is the information given in the video

It's good to see him involved - but although the content was interesting, the delivery was flat - and it does matter.

I cannot understand why the CT will not engage the services of Jo Kemp again - and with proper recording equipment.  I can only think that the costs must be prohibitive and the funds are directed elsewhere i.e. forensics. 

Nevertheless, CT, if you are reading this - PLEASE take heed.   Swish presentation, studio audio and confident, professional delivery (such as JK) will serve your cause very well going forward.   Please ditch these 'home made' efforts with the dodgy mic.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2018, 10:34:PM »
So the idea that he was a professional photographer is incorrect.

I think Bird was a relatively poor crime photographer in this case.  Either that, or some of his more proficient photographs were not allowed to be seen - leaving us with the mediocre remainder.  I also think that Jeremy's defence team were woeful in their ability to view and study what was available - even given they were always going to be afforded short shrift from Ainsley's team.

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« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2018, 10:42:PM »
To get an even better insight into events leading up to and including the day of the trial there's a thread about the " Tonight " programme which was aired on the 29th of March 2012, posted by Gillian.

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« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2018, 10:55:PM »
It's good to see him involved - but although the content was interesting, the delivery was flat - and it does matter.

I cannot understand why the CT will not engage the services of Jo Kemp again - and with proper recording equipment.  I can only think that the costs must be prohibitive and the funds are directed elsewhere i.e. forensics. 

Nevertheless, CT, if you are reading this - PLEASE take heed.   Swish presentation, studio audio and confident, professional delivery (such as JK) will serve your cause very well going forward.   Please ditch these 'home made' efforts with the dodgy mic.

Totally agree, there were some good points (although some exaggerations) but the whole tone was just monotonous and I couldn't listen to the whole thing.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2018, 11:14:PM »
Don't mind a dialect, I'm not that judgemental - Gringo didn't like his voice either - nothing to say to Gringo?  ::)
   Been busy rather than ignoring comment. I found the delivery dull but that is just an opinion. I realise, that it is about the content but good delivery helps get the message across better in my view.
     I am sure that it is a better delivery than I would manage in my broad 'Ull accent, or at least more understandable. Sorry for starting a row with such a throwaway comment.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2018, 11:26:PM »
   Been busy rather than ignoring comment. I found the delivery dull but that is just an opinion. I realise, that it is about the content but good delivery helps get the message across better in my view.
     I am sure that it is a better delivery than I would manage in my broad 'Ull accent, or at least more understandable. Sorry for starting a row with such a throwaway comment.

You didn't, Lookout was just having a dig  :)
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2018, 12:57:AM »
The video claims that Bird was a professional police photographer - seems he wasn't, it was one of his roles. He was also involved in chemical fingerprinting but his main job was to prepare albums. He had two colleagues and it was 'the luck of the draw; as to which of them would be assigned what - they were on a rota. He described himself as 'the lowest of the low' as far as rank is concerned. The guy clearly was NOT a professional photographer, which makes it more likely that some of the pictures would have been unusable. I agree they shouldn't have been cut but the video is misleading! (And the guys voice is STILL dull!)  :P
    It seems more reasonable to infer that PC Bird and the two unnamed officers were all "specialist photographers" and had obviously had training as police photographers. Whether you agree with the term "professional" or not is beside the point when using it as an excuse for poor exposure rate.
     Think it through and it is absurd to believe that lots of pictures at a crime scene were "unusable" because the police sent some random officer with no training or experience.
     It is also fairly obvious, when you consider it for more than a minute, that police photographers were not dashing to and from crime scenes all day. One of those roles where one is required on duty but often not called upon to do your "specialist" role. In fact it states this in the snippets that you posted.
    The main role that they performed was obviously not the role they were employed to do and this is explicitly clear. They were photographers. They earned their living as photographers for the police. Sounds like a professional photographer to me.