The Search for the Truth - the 'hidden agenda'..

[mike tesko]

Police state that there was only one rifle found upstairs on the first floor - that being the family owned Anshuzt rifle found on Sheila's body!

The said rifle appears to have led a somewhat charmed life prior to 11.10am, if PS Woodcock removed 'it' from Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor, since it was laying alongside Sheila's body at 8.44am , 'on the far side of the bed'! By 9.00 am, 'the rifle was not with the body'! By 9.05am, 'the rifle was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell'. At 9.13am, 'the rifle was put onto Sheila's body' which by this stage had been lifted from the bed and moved to the bedroom floor! By 9.30am, 'the rifle had been removed from Sheila's body' and was 'now resting against the main bedroom window'! By 10.00am, 'the rifle was back in the possession of Sheila Caffell's body on the bedroom floor', with 'its barrel resting against the left hand side of her neck'! By 11.00am 'the position of the rifle on Sheila's body shifted' so that 'its barrel no longer rested against the left side of Sheila's neck'! At 11.10am, 'the rifle was removed from Sheila's body, and made safe'!

[Nigel]

"What we can conclude therefore, is that the rooms beyond that internal kitchen door was off limits to Neville Bambers killer, who could not go beyond Neville's body sat in that chair behind the door, thus preventing the killer from taking the sound moderator from the guns barrel and concealing it inside a cupboard in the den.

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So, with Sheila being killed off last of all, upstairs on the bedroom floor with the sound moderator still on the barrel of the gun, her killer would have to remove the moderator, go into the upstairs bathroom, unbolt the wall panel that afforded access to the other upstairs part of the farmhouse, and go all the way down the back stairs, into the hallway outside the internal kitchen door behind which Neville Bambers body was sat and blocking the door off, turn into the den, go to the cupboard in the corner of the den, rummage about until the killer found an almost empty ammunition box and place the sound moderator inside it, replace the box, shut the cupboard door, and then what?

Well, presumably the killer would then have to back track his way out of the den, along the back passage, up the back stairs, go from one side of the upper part of the farmhouse on one side of the bathroom panel, to the other, making sure that the killer remembered to bolt the bath panel, and then what?"
Mike 2018

[Nigel]

Its there its staring us in the face its so simple that you, we have over looked it.

[mike tesko]

"What we can conclude therefore, is that the rooms beyond that internal kitchen door was off limits to Neville Bambers killer, who could not go beyond Neville's body sat in that chair behind the door, thus preventing the killer from taking the sound moderator from the guns barrel and concealing it inside a cupboard in the den.

...

So, with Sheila being killed off last of all, upstairs on the bedroom floor with the sound moderator still on the barrel of the gun, her killer would have to remove the moderator, go into the upstairs bathroom, unbolt the wall panel that afforded access to the other upstairs part of the farmhouse, and go all the way down the back stairs, into the hallway outside the internal kitchen door behind which Neville Bambers body was sat and blocking the door off, turn into the den, go to the cupboard in the corner of the den, rummage about until the killer found an almost empty ammunition box and place the sound moderator inside it, replace the box, shut the cupboard door, and then what?

Well, presumably the killer would then have to back track his way out of the den, along the back passage, up the back stairs, go from one side of the upper part of the farmhouse on one side of the bathroom panel, to the other, making sure that the killer remembered to bolt the bath panel, and then what?"
Mike 2018

Correct!

The shooter would have to have gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to place the Sound Moderator in that almost empty ammunition box in the cupboard under the stairs situated in the den - without leaving a trace of anybodies blood anywhere along the described route, there and back, rebolting the bathroom panel, and then if the shooter not be Sheila, would have to leave the farmhouse with the kitchen light switched on, and the children's bedroom light left switched on, and the main bedroom door left ajar sufficiently so that the landing ceiling light backlit the main bedroom!

[Nigel]

Mike 'today is the day' Thursday 12th April 2018.

Jeremy will be free VERY soon.

[Nigel]

Its the 2 rifles that is the Key to unlock Jeremy's cell door.

[mike tesko]

Its there its staring us in the face its so simple that you, we have have over looked it.

If the Sound Moderator was used when Sheila got shot, the police would have known about it on the first morning of their investigation! The fact that there appeared to be a large number of shots fired would have focussed police attention on the cleanliness or otherwise of the muzzle end of the rifles barrel, particularly the threaded end where normally either a metal Knut or a Sound Moderator would be fitted! The only other alternative explanation was that the rifle had been used without its Knut or the Sound Moderator attached on the end of the guns barrel!

We know that the police were aware of the Sound Moderator to the gun, because on the afternoon of 9th August 1985, DCI Jones and DS Jones went to speak to Jeremy at his cottage, and asked him questions about five of the twenty five bullets fired during the tragedy, and they wanted to know from Jeremy himself whether or not the Sound Moderator was fixed on the end of the rifles barrel when he had used it intent on rabbit shooting just prior to him leaving the farmhouse to go home to his cottage? Jeremy had told Jones and Jones that the Sound Moderator was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time he handled the anshuzt rifle, nor was it fixed to its barrel when he had left it on the settle in the back entrance way...

So, the police were interested in finding out from Jeremy whether or not the Sound Moderator was fitted to the barrel of the rifle, on an occasion prior to the date of the alleged find of 'it' by David Boutflour on the following day (10th August 1985)...

It is also known, that on the first morning of the incident that DS Jones returned to the scene from Jeremy's cottage, and that he seized or took a total of four exhibits, which became documented as exhibits SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1(the sound Moderator)! One of the exhibits he took on that occasion was a photograph of the downstairs toilet to record its contents! This photograph was subsequently destroyed according to a corresponding entry in a police property book! The downstairs toilet was where Anthony Pargeter normally kept his collection of firearms! One such of these guns was a .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, which had its own Sound Moderator fixed on the end of its barrel. Now, according to Jeremy that rifle was present inside the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy, albeit Anthony Pargeter has since claimed that it wasn't there on the night of the shootings! Anyway, DS Jones took possession of a Sound Moderator from the scene on that first morning of the police investigation. My belief is that he may have taken possession of the Sound moderator belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle!

[Nigel]

But hold on a minute!, there was no moderator FITTED TO GUN as per photographs of Sheila body.

and importantly they (EP) had not found the Moderator as David Boutflour did later.

So why were they questioning Jeremy? and is said questioning on record?

[Luminous Wanderer]

Correct!

The shooter would have to have gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to place the Sound Moderator in that almost empty ammunition box in the cupboard under the stairs situated in the den - without leaving a trace of anybodies blood anywhere along the described route, there and back, rebolting the bathroom panel, and then if the shooter not be Sheila, would have to leave the farmhouse with the kitchen light switched on, and the children's bedroom light left switched on, and the main bedroom door left ajar sufficiently so that the landing ceiling light backlit the main bedroom!

Mike/Nigel,

I've been reading through some more of the case documents tonight and I've PM'd you the below viewpoint on your last few posts, but I'll also repeat it here for the benefit of everybody else.

This is purely my opinion, but it's my honest good faith view from a neutral perspective:

What Mike has just said about the lack of forensic traces for Jeremy putting the moderator back is one of a number of points that has been bothering me.  It's also surely a glaring incongruity.  Why would he leave that evidence at the house? 

At the moment, I am trying to go through this case as a 'logical proposition' - which is what my series of threads on Sheila is really about - and my provisional conclusion, so far, is that Jeremy Bamber must be a combination of Jason Bourne and Doctor Moriarty, or the Crown's case makes no sense.

Which is not to say he actually is innocent, it's just my way of saying that I find the scenario of him as shooter rather improbable from a purely logical point-of-view, whereas Sheila as the killer does fit better with the evidence and the whole scenario.  The anti-Bamber argument that there is no evidence for Sheila as the killer is based on cherry-picking.

Another way of putting it would be: Sheila as the killer is emotionally very difficult to take, and even I'm struggling to confront it. Based on what I know, I do find Sheila to be a more sympathetic character than Jeremy, but Sheila as the killer IS the more logical scenario.  It pains me to say it, because I actually don't like Jeremy based on what I have learned about him: he was (maybe still is) a nasty piece of work.  But Jeremy as the killer makes no logical sense.

We must remember, though, that logic is not unimpeachable.  Reality can be strange.  Jeremy could have done it: it's not impossible, far from it.

[mike tesko]

It is also known, that on the first morning of the incident that DS Jones returned to the scene from Jeremy's cottage, and that he seized or took a total of four exhibits, which became documented as exhibits SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1(the sound Moderator)! One of the exhibits he took on that occasion was a photograph of the downstairs toilet to record its contents! This photograph was subsequently destroyed according to a corresponding entry in a police property book! The downstairs toilet was where Anthony Pargeter normally kept his collection of firearms! One such of these guns was a .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, which had its own Sound Moderator fixed on the end of its barrel. Now, according to Jeremy that rifle was present inside the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy, albeit Anthony Pargeter has since claimed that it wasn't there on the night of the shootings! Anyway, DS Jones took possession of a Sound Moderator from the scene on that first morning of the police investigation. My belief is that he may have taken possession of the Sound moderator belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 rifle!

Oddly enough, Anthony Pargeters account regarding the whereabouts of his rifle is contained in two separate witness statements, the first that he made to Essex police in 1985, and a second one which he made to the COLP investigators in 1991. In the first witness statement, he confirms that he owned the .22 Bruno rifle which was kept in the downstairs toilet along with its SoundCloud stator and a quantity of .22 ammunition, but he told Essex police that he always removed the bolt from his rifle and that he took the bolt home with him, so that nobody could fire his rifle in his absence! Well, when he made his second witness statement to COLP six years later he changed his account by claiming that his bolt action rifle was not present at the scene at the time of the shootings because he had taken it home to Bournend in Buckinghamshire where he lived, and that he had taken it home on the penultimate week-end before the shootings!

Anyway, Jeremy thinks or should I say Jeremy is saying that Anthony Pargeters rifle was definitely at the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy! It was a condition on Pargeters firearm certificate that he could only use it on land belonging to whf, and that it had to be kept at the farmhouse! Jeremy says because his dad (Neville) was a Magistrate, he would never have allowed or permitted Anthony Pargeter to remove or take the Bruno rifle away from the farm! Jeremy says Anthony Pargeter has lied about the whereabouts of his rifle on the night of the tragedy!

There is more info' which might be relevant..

[Nigel]

Mike/Nigel,

I've been reading through some more of the case documents tonight and I've PM'd you the below viewpoint on your last few posts, but I'll also repeat it here for the benefit of everybody else.

This is purely my opinion, but it's my honest good faith view from a neutral perspective:

What Mike has just said about the lack of forensic traces for Jeremy putting the moderator back is one of a number of points that has been bothering me.  It's also surely a glaring incongruity.  Why would he leave that evidence at the house? 

At the moment, I am trying to go through this case as a 'logical proposition' - which is what my series of threads on Sheila is really about - and my provisional conclusion, so far, is that Jeremy Bamber must be a combination of Jason Bourne and Doctor Moriarty, or the Crown's case makes no sense.

Which is not to say he actually is innocent, it's just my way of saying that I find the scenario of him as shooter rather improbable from a purely logical point-of-view, whereas Sheila as the killer does fit better with the evidence and the whole scenario.  The anti-Bamber argument that there is no evidence for Sheila as the killer is based on cherry-picking.

Another way of putting it would be: Sheila as the killer is emotionally very difficult to take, and even I'm struggling to confront it. Based on what I know, I do find Sheila to be a more sympathetic character than Jeremy, but Sheila as the killer IS the more logical scenario.  It pains me to say it, because I actually don't like Jeremy based on what I have learned about him: he was (maybe still is) a nasty piece of work.  But Jeremy as the killer makes no logical sense.

We must remember, though, that logic is not unimpeachable.  Reality can be strange.  Jeremy could have done it: it's not impossible, far from it.

Up your game.
'Today is the day' the clock is ticking.
Your are too intelligent for your own good, use your intelligence for Good.

[Nigel]

I'm screaming this from the roof tops.

Its the 2 rifles that is the Key, to unlock Jeremy's cell.

[mike tesko]

Oddly enough, Anthony Pargeters account regarding the whereabouts of his rifle is contained in two separate witness statements, the first that he made to Essex police in 1985, and a second one which he made to the COLP investigators in 1991. In the first witness statement, he confirms that he owned the .22 Bruno rifle which was kept in the downstairs toilet along with its SoundCloud stator and a quantity of .22 ammunition, but he told Essex police that he always removed the bolt from his rifle and that he took the bolt home with him, so that nobody could fire his rifle in his absence! Well, when he made his second witness statement to COLP six years later he changed his account by claiming that his bolt action rifle was not present at the scene at the time of the shootings because he had taken it home to Bournend in Buckinghamshire where he lived, and that he had taken it home on the penultimate week-end before the shootings!

Anyway, Jeremy thinks or should I say Jeremy is saying that Anthony Pargeters rifle was definitely at the farmhouse at the time of the tragedy! It was a condition on Pargeters firearm certificate that he could only use it on land belonging to whf, and that it had to be kept at the farmhouse! Jeremy says because his dad (Neville) was a Magistrate, he would never have allowed or permitted Anthony Pargeter to remove or take the Bruno rifle away from the farm! Jeremy says Anthony Pargeter has lied about the whereabouts of his rifle on the night of the tragedy!

There is more info' which might be relevant..

There is a documented account in the police files which confirms that in one of the crime scene photographs taken downstairs in the kitchen is a rifle,vandva note saying that no-one is to mention the rifle in question in their notes and witness statements! This is somewhat bizzare because the rifle used in thevshootings was supposedly found with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor upstairs!

So, there was a rifle present in the kitchen, but the police have deliberately sought to keep its presence there a secret..

Additionally...

When DS Davidson (2nd team of SOCO) was being interviewed about a paint sample (RC/1) taken from the kitchen on the 8th August 1985, and handed to him at the scene, by DI Cook, he told the COLP interviewers that that paint sample had been taken because some paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel, a gun which the police had seized from somewhere downstairs inside the farmhouse...

I'm just wondering, whether or not, the gun being referred by Davidson and the rifle captured in one of the crime scene photographs taken in the kitchen, is one and the same gun?

Moreover...

Could that rifle have been Anthony Pargeters Bruno bolt action rifle with its Sound Moderator either attached to its barrel? Or detached but close by?

I have long since pondered about the possibility that the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle, and the Pargeter owned Bruno rifle, were both used in the shooting incident that had taken place?

[mike tesko]

In 1990 I contacted the Home Secretary about the possibility that Anthony Pargeters .22 Rifle could have been used in the shooting tragedy - this coupled with a series of complaints made by Jeremy culminated in the COLP Enquiry getting off the ground! I believed at that time, that Anthony Pargeters Bruno rifle could have been used in the shootings and that it could have fired 10 of the 25 bullets used in the tragedy. Those 10 bullets being the ones which the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, could not directly link as having been fired exclusively via the anshuzt rifle. I argued that Anthony Pargeters rifle had two ammunition magazines, one a 10 shot, the other a 5 shot, and that when added to the 10 shot magazine belonging to the anshuzt rifle, together they produced a matching total of 25 which was what had been fired! In addition, I thought it a bit of a coincidence that 5 if the 25 spent cartridge cases had got double magazine markings on them, whereas the other 20 only had one lot of magazine markings on them! I considered the possibility that at least 5 of the 25 bullets used in the tragedy could have been transferred out of the 5 shot ammunition magazine belonging to the Bruno rifle, and reloaded into the 10 shot magazine of the anshuzt rifle!

It was also somewhat coincidental that when Jones and Jones had spoken to Jeremy on the 9th August 1985, that they were questioning him about the source from which 5 bullets had come from? Jeremy had originally told police that on the evening prior to the tragedy how he had obtained a new box of Eley ammunition from the cupboard under the stairs, that he had removed it's celothane wrapper and loaded the rifles magazine up with bullets until it was full! Jones and Jones pointed out that there were still 30 bullets from that box found on the kitchen worktop, they said and a total of 25 shots were known to have been fired, so they were wondering where the other 5 bullets had come from? Jeremy responded by telling them that there was already some bullets in the magazine before he started to put the new bullets from the box of ammunition in. Police were satisfied with Jeremy's explanation...

I must admit this feature of the matter puzzled me...

[Nigel]

There is a documented account in the police files which confirms that in one of the crime scene photographs taken downstairs in the kitchen is a rifle,vandva note saying that no-one is to mention the rifle in question in their notes and witness statements! This is somewhat bizzare because the rifle used in thevshootings was supposedly found with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor upstairs!

So, there was a rifle present in the kitchen, but the police have deliberately sought to keep its presence there a secret..

Additionally...

When DS Davidson (2nd team of SOCO) was being interviewed about a paint sample (RC/1) taken from the kitchen on the 8th August 1985, and handed to him at the scene, by DI Cook, he told the COLP interviewers that that paint sample had been taken because some paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel, a gun which the police had seized from somewhere downstairs inside the farmhouse...

I'm just wondering, whether or not, the gun being referred by Davidson and the rifle captured in one of the crime scene photographs taken in the kitchen, is one and the same gun?

Moreover...

Could that rifle have been Anthony Pargeters Bruno bolt action rifle with its Sound Moderator either attached to its barrel? Or detached but close by?

I have long since pondered about the possibility that the Bamber owned Anshuzt rifle, and the Pargeter owned Bruno rifle, were both used in the shooting incident that had taken place?

Do Bruno rifles and a Anshuzt rifle have compatibility with regard to 'Moderator'? Interchangeable?