Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.

[David1819]

Can you post the link to the report. It is not in the 'statements & transcripts library'.

I've asked David for two sources. Suthrst's report & a crime scene source regarding nail polish.

This is David's baby so hopefully he won't ignore the requests.

The people that provided me the Suthurst report along with the relevant photos asked me not to share it with anyone.

The report has several appendixed crime scene photos that are very clear and not in public domain. Incluing close ups of Sheila's feet.

NGB has the same stuff. If you want to know why this material is kept limited, you'd best ask him.

[Caroline]

I've just gone over Suthurst's report.  Here's a summary


He found a red object 2mm by 4mm on the carpet.

It was about 4cm away from the area under the aga.

The "dominant hue" of the red object was brighter than the aga paint.

The "dominant hue" of the red object was 95% the same as the photos of Sheila's toe nails.

The size and shape of the red object "closely matched" an area of damaged nail varnish on Sheila's right foot.

He done an experiment recreating the damage done to the mantleshelf.

The experiment generated 70 small flakes of paint landing on the carpet that were large enough for the camera used in this case to pick up on. They were up to 2mm larger than the red object found.

If you know all about Suthurst's report you should also know that he conceded that his conclusions may have been overly ambitious?

[David1819]

If you know all about Suthurst's report you should also know that he conceded that his conclusions may have been overly ambitious?

He later conceded that it its not possible to determine with certainly if the photo below extents to where he believed you should see the furthest right of the scratch. Due to lens distortion.



I don't think toe nail is very important TBH. The important fact of the matter is you have a 2cm x 3cm hole in the mantle paint caused by a silencer. Gravity dictates that 2cm x 3cm x (the amount of layers)worth of paint flakes will fall on the carpet below. All that can be found is one 2mm x 4mm flake that is not even the same complexion. That's 90% of the surface paint still missing. And no trace of the black and white coats of paint underneath that either.

[Adam]

The people that provided me the Suthurst report along with the relevant photos asked me not to share it with anyone.

The report has several appendixed crime scene photos that are very clear and not in public domain. Incluing close ups of Sheila's feet.

NGB has the same stuff. If you want to know why this material is kept limited, you'd best ask him.

You know that isn't good enough.

I don't believe you have Sutherst's report.

[Adam]

It seems there is also nothing in the pathologist's report about chipped toe nail polish on Sheila's toes. Otherwise this would have been posted.

The toe nail polish theory is simply something dreamed up by the CT. Using blurry pictures & paying Sutherst to come up with a theory.

There is no way Sheila would kick the wall so hard that nail polish would fall off, but her feet remain undamaged. Directly under the aga scratches.

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-appeal-murders-evidence&ved=2ahUKEwi2zO2uzrHZAhVsCcAKHSd3BcUQFjAAegQIExAB&usg=AOvVaw1YvzAj5d2gfqDwcxFgRk-0&ampcf=1

Sutherst has a theory on how Sheila's nail polish ended up below the aga scratches -

'He believes this places her in the kitchen on the night of the murders and that the damage may have occurred when she attempted to shoot herself and the recoil from the rifle butt struck her foot.'

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So Sheila  tried to shoot herself in the kitchen but instead accidentially ended up putting her nail polish underneath the aga scratches.

Now why didn't Bamber's trial lawyers think of that ?

[lookout]

What happened to the blue and white striped jacket that was hanging up,was there any blood on it ?

[Caroline]

He later conceded that it its not possible to determine with certainly if the photo below extents to where he believed you should see the furthest right of the scratch. Due to lens distortion.



I don't think toe nail is very important TBH. The important fact of the matter is you have a 2cm x 3cm hole in the mantle paint caused by a silencer. Gravity dictates that 2cm x 3cm x (the amount of layers)worth of paint flakes will fall on the carpet below. All that can be found is one 2mm x 4mm flake that is not even the same complexion. That's 90% of the surface paint still missing. And no trace of the black and white coats of paint underneath that either.

The fact that Suthurst saw at least one flake could mean that there was more. We obviously haven't seen all of the CS pictures and the kitchen was cleaned prior to Jeremy becoming a suspect. I'm really not 100% sure that the scatches were present on the moring after the murders but it it certainly possible.

[lookout]

The scratches were probably present------it's just that they'd been overlooked along with the silencer.

[lookout]

What would have been the point in deliberately scoring marks in the paintwork after the event ? I don't see the sense or logic.

[lookout]

I'll stick to my theory/thought that a cross-threaded silencer had gone skew-wiff while Sheila had tried to handle the length of the rifle------until she took it off and gave up on using it,thus having scraped it along the Aga.
I don't know what EP had for eyes !!

[Caroline]

What would have been the point in deliberately scoring marks in the paintwork after the event ? I don't see the sense or logic.

The point would be to back up the silencer evidence which had traces of red paint on it that matched the aga.

[lookout]

The point would be to back up the silencer evidence which had traces of red paint on it that matched the aga.

Which proved what ?

[Caroline]

Which proved what ?

That it was on the rifle and too long for Sheila to have shot herself!

[lookout]

That it was on the rifle and too long for Sheila to have shot herself!

Is why she then removed it and carried on with a more manageable rifle.