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Offline Adam

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2018, 04:03:PM »
It is impossible for him to tell simply by looking at a photograph.

That is correct. .

David hasn't elaborated on the toe nail polish or answered my questions asked in two threads today & earlier this week. After he brought up the issue.

No one else has supported the toe nail polish theory.

The claim that there is toe nail polish in the kitchen that shows Sheila was the killer has to be dismissed.
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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2018, 05:07:PM »
I've just gone over Suthurst's report.  Here's a summary


He found a red object 2mm by 4mm on the carpet.

It was about 4cm away from the area under the aga.

The "dominant hue" of the red object was brighter than the aga paint.

The "dominant hue" of the red object was 95% the same as the photos of Sheila's toe nails.

The size and shape of the red object "closely matched" an area of damaged nail varnish on Sheila's right foot.

He done an experiment recreating the damage done to the mantleshelf.

The experiment generated 70 small flakes of paint landing on the carpet that were large enough for the camera used in this case to pick up on. They were up to 2mm larger than the red object found.
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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2018, 05:22:PM »
I've just gone over Suthurst's report.  Here's a summary


He found a red object 2mm by 4mm on the carpet.

It was about 4cm away from the area under the aga.

The "dominant hue" of the red object was brighter than the aga paint.

The "dominant hue" of the red object was 95% the same as the photos of Sheila's toe nails.

The size and shape of the red object "closely matched" an area of damaged nail varnish on Sheila's right foot.

He done an experiment recreating the damage done to the mantleshelf.

The experiment generated 70 small flakes of paint landing on the carpet that were large enough for the camera used in this case to pick up on. They were up to 2mm larger than the red object found.

Can you post the link to the report. It is not in the 'statements & transcripts library'.

So directly under the aga there is red debris. I wish the CT would make up their mind.

However in Sutherst's opinion it is not debris from the aga, it is from Sheila's toe nail polish. Which came off Sheila's toe nail directly under the aga scratches. A one in a million co incidence.

No one has said how this toe nail varnish came off Sheila's toe.

I disagree that the scratches would cause debris. They are so faint nothing would fall onto the floor.  I suspect the CT wanted to create a nail polish theory & paid Sutherst his fee.
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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 05:44:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

The photo of Shela's toes on page two are very blurry & inconclusive.

There is nothing in the COA about toe nail polish missing from Sheila's toes. It says her feet were clean.

Where is the source about missing toe nail polish. Crime scene source please, not Suthurst being paid by the CT to give his opinion by looking at photos decades later. 
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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2018, 05:53:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html

The photo of Shela's toes on page two are very blurry & inconclusive.

There is nothing in the COA about toe nail polish missing from Sheila's toes. It says her feet were clean.

Where is the source about missing toe nail polish. Crime scene source please, not Suthurst being paid by the CT to give his opinion by looking at photos decades later.
To me it appears that the killings were all over very quickly, which suggests to me an agile person rather than a drowsy Sheila.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2018, 06:06:PM »
Sheila may have appeared drowsy in the daytime,but came alive at night as was proved on her partying as well as nights of screaming,or even phoning her father for a chat. All during the night.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2018, 06:19:PM »
Sheila may have appeared drowsy in the daytime,but came alive at night as was proved on her partying as well as nights of screaming,or even phoning her father for a chat. All during the night.
That's true lookout but did she ever move swiftly, or was it more of a case of being tormented by her own demons, which immobilized her physically as well as producing confused thinking?

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2018, 06:21:PM »
That's true lookout but did she ever move swiftly, or was it more of a case of being tormented by her own demons, which immobilized her physically as well as producing confused thinking?

How do you believe dried toe nail polish came off Sheila's toe ?
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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2018, 06:27:PM »
How do you believe dried toe nail polish came off Sheila's toe ?





She must have stubbed it hurtling around.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2018, 06:30:PM »
How do you believe dried toe nail polish came off Sheila's toe ?
Well she might have stubbed it on something, given that her gait was not secure.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2018, 06:43:PM »
Well she might have stubbed it on something, given that her gait was not secure.


Hmm? The only times I've stubbed a toe hard enough to take off nail varnish, I've taken some of the nail off with it.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2018, 06:51:PM »
Not sure if the CT are saying a piece of Sheila's nail fell off. Or just her nail polish.

Nails are very strong. Which is why scissors are used to cut them. I have never had a piece of nail fall off. Even if I kicked a wall bare footed I'm more likely to break a toe than lose a piece of nail.

Dried nail polish is very strong. If you isolate a sharpe instrument to it such as a knife and scrape it, the polish will come off in time.

I've no idea how this polish could come off Sheila during the massacre.  She didn't even have a huge kitchen fight according to some.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2018, 06:58:PM »
Not sure if the CT are saying a piece of Sheila's nail fell off. Or just her nail polish.

Nails are very strong. Which is why scissors are used to cut them. I have never had a piece of nail fall off. Even if I kicked a wall bare footed I'm more likely to break a toe than lose a piece of nail.

Dried nail polish is very strong. If you isolate a sharpe instrument to it such as a knife and scrape it, the polish will come off in time.

I've no idea how this polish could come off Sheila during the massacre.  She didn't even have a huge kitchen fight according to some.

Would a broken toenail have been detected at autopsy? Other, seemingly inconsequential, things were noted.

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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2018, 07:05:PM »
Would a broken toenail have been detected at autopsy? Other, seemingly inconsequential, things were noted.

I've asked David for two sources. Suthrst's report & a crime scene source regarding nail polish.

This is David's baby so hopefully he won't ignore the requests. 
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Re: Questions on the apparent red toe nail polish in the kitchen.
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 07:15:PM »
There are several statements from pathologist Dr Vanezis in the 'Statements & Archive' library. I look for to David directing me to the correct section.

Otherwise the nail polish theory has been dreamed up by the CT & Sutherst. 
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