Jeremy's belief, - relatives intent on getting hands on anything of value!!!

[Jane]

Just to recap, we have Sheila's body in different locations within the farmhouse dependant upon whichever police case file you might be reading from? (SC/688/85 or SC/786/85)

If the contents of the first part of the police investigation had been fully disclosed, Sheila's body would have been found downstairs in the kitchen along with Neville Bambers body she having only been shot once, her death being referred to as a suicide, as supported by the contents of the police radio log contents!

On the other hand, by reference to the second police file (SC/786/85) Sheila's body was found upstairs on the bedroom floor, shot twice and in possession of the rifle!

The current situation results in total confusion because both versions of the alleged true versions exist and contradict one another - evidence from the two separate parts of the police investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85) place Sheila's body as found upstairs on the main bedroom floor, and downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber! More worryingly, Sheila is found upstairs in possession of a rifle and she is dead as a result of two shots in the neck, whereas in the other account she was found downstairs and  has only been shot once and her death is reported as being a suicide by 7.45am!

What are we to believe?

What would a jury make of such contradictions?

So a policeman mistakes -on first glance and from outside- the back view of a long haired, middle aged man for a woman. Another policeman sees only a long haired, middle aged man. It was then perceived, because one had believed the body to be female and the other had believed the body to be male, that -momentarily- there must have been two bodies.  An error which was later rectified but has been used ad nauseum to try to convince people that there WERE two bodies and that police were attempting to cover it up.....................though it's never been satisfactorily explained why.

[mike tesko]

Just to recap, we have Sheila's body in different locations within the farmhouse dependant upon whichever police case file you might be reading from? (SC/688/85 or SC/786/85)

If the contents of the first part of the police investigation had been fully disclosed, Sheila's body would have been found downstairs in the kitchen along with Neville Bambers body she having only been shot once, her death being referred to as a suicide, as supported by the contents of the police radio log contents!

On the other hand, by reference to the second police file (SC/786/85) Sheila's body was found upstairs on the bedroom floor, shot twice and in possession of the rifle!

The current situation results in total confusion because both versions of the alleged true versions exist and contradict one another - evidence from the two separate parts of the police investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85) place Sheila's body as found upstairs on the main bedroom floor, and downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber! More worryingly, Sheila is found upstairs in possession of a rifle and she is dead as a result of two shots in the neck, whereas in the other account she was found downstairs and  has only been shot once and her death is reported as being a suicide by 7.45am!

What are we to believe?

What would a jury make of such contradictions?

Sandwiched in-between these two quite extraordinary accounts are the linking episodes, where the police surgeon refers to Sheila's body as being on the far side of the bed at 8.44am! We have Stan Jones account that when he saw Sheila's body it was laid on top of the bed and laid on the bed beside her was June Bambers body! The rifle was resting on the bed in between the bodies of both victims, and Sheila had a Bible on her chest, she only had one shot in her neck by that stage! We had PS Adams saying that when he viewed Sheila's body before leaving the scene shortly after 9.00am that there was no gun with the body when he viewed Sheila's body at that time! Then we had the Coroner's Officer, PC Wright, who at 9.30am,  States that by that time the gun had already been removed from the body of Sheila, but that she had two bullet wounds in her neck! Then we have the rifle resting at the main bedroom window as shown in crime scene photograph no.23, before it was taken for staging purposes and Sheila Caffells death scene was fabricated there on the main bedroom floor by senior officers in the course of carrying about their duties involving 'informatives', so that by the time senior officers and the first team of SOCO's left the scene at 10.00am, and had handed over the main bedroom crime scene at that time, Sheila's body was on the bedroom floor in possession of the gun, with the Bible that had previously been on her chest whilst she was laid on top of the bed earlier, was now alongside her upper and outside right arm?

How peculiar, and also of some significance how two bloodied fingermarks surrounded the upper bullet entry wound as if some would be good Samaritan had attempted to stem the flow of blood once that second shot beneath the point of Sheila's chin had been received in an attempt to save Sheila's life, rather than as in Jeremy's case it had been an intention to terminate it!..

What chance it was a coppers two fingers which tried to stem the flow of blood immediately after Sheila had been shot on the second occasion?

Had Sheila used two of her own fingers likewise?

Or, had Jeremy the killer tried to stem that flow of blood from that what turned out to be the critical shot which killed Sheila off?

[mike tesko]

Sandwiched in-between these two quite extraordinary accounts are the linking episodes, where the police surgeon refers to Sheila's body as being on the far side of the bed at 8.44am! We have Stan Jones account that when he saw Sheila's body it was laid on top of the bed and laid on the bed beside her was June Bambers body! The rifle was resting on the bed in between the bodies of both victims, and Sheila had a Bible on her chest, she only had one shot in her neck by that stage! We had PS Adams saying that when he viewed Sheila's body before leaving the scene shortly after 9.00am that there was no gun with the body when he viewed Sheila's body at that time! Then we had the Coroner's Officer, PC Wright, who at 9.30am,  States that by that time the gun had already been removed from the body of Sheila, but that she had two bullet wounds in her neck! Then we have the rifle resting at the main bedroom window as shown in crime scene photograph no.23, before it was taken for staging purposes and Sheila Caffells death scene was fabricated there on the main bedroom floor by senior officers in the course of carrying about their duties involving 'informatives', so that by the time senior officers and the first team of SOCO's left the scene at 10.00am, and had handed over the main bedroom crime scene at that time, Sheila's body was on the bedroom floor in possession of the gun, with the Bible that had previously been on her chest whilst she was laid on top of the bed earlier, was now alongside her upper and outside right arm?

How peculiar, and also of some significance how two bloodied fingermarks surrounded the upper bullet entry wound as if some would be good Samaritan had attempted to stem the flow of blood once that second shot beneath the point of Sheila's chin had been received in an attempt to save Sheila's life, rather than as in Jeremy's case it had been an intention to terminate it!..

What chance it was a coppers two fingers which tried to stem the flow of blood immediately after Sheila had been shot on the second occasion?

Had Sheila used two of her own fingers likewise?

Or, had Jeremy the killer tried to stem that flow of blood from that what turned out to be the critical shot which killed Sheila off?

Moreover, let us not forget that prior to Sheila's body being staged in the throes of death on the main bedroom floor, in possession of the gun, that her body had been turned on its right hand side in the recovery position (see report of Herbert Leon McDonnell), before being rolled into the supine position and the gun planted with Sheila's body - so who would go to such lengths of placing Sheila's body in that recovery position there on the bedroom floor?

Sheila herself?

Cops who were trying to keep her alive?

Or, the killer Jeremy Bamber who by all accounts had wanted to kill Sheila and blame her for what he had done?

[mike tesko]

Seems to me, two highly significant indicators as to where culpability of having shot Sheila Caffells dead, there on the main bedroom floor lies!

[mike tesko]

Seems to me, two highly significant indicators as to where culpability of having shot Sheila Caffells dead, there on the main bedroom floor lies!

(a) - the attempt to stem the blood from flowing from the upper fatal wound immediately after that second fatal shot had been, was inflicted, and

(b) - the rolling over of Sheila's body onto its right side in the recovery position!

Somebody tried desperately hard to try and keep Sheila Caffells alive!, The person or persons who took these actions intended not to kill her, they didn't want her to die, and Jeremy Bamber had he been the person who had planned to kill his sister and lay the blame at her feet would surely not do quite the opposite of what the prosecution alleged he had intended to do!

[David1819]

Moreover, let us not forget that prior to Sheila's body being staged in the throes of death on the main bedroom floor, in possession of the gun, that her body had been turned on its right hand side in the recovery position (see report of Herbert Leon McDonnell), before being rolled into the supine position and the gun planted with Sheila's body - so who would go to such lengths of placing Sheila's body in that recovery position there on the bedroom floor?

Sheila herself?

Cops who were trying to keep her alive?

Or, the killer Jeremy Bamber who by all accounts had wanted to kill Sheila and blame her for what he had done?

Herbert Leon McDonnell has recanted on his 1992 conclusions and now believes it could be suicide.

Herbert Leon McDonnell came to the conclusion of murder in 1992 based on incomplete information.

You cannot use his 1992 conclusions while simultaneously ignoring his revised 2009 conclusions.

[mike tesko]

(a) - the attempt to stem the blood from flowing from the upper fatal wound immediately after that second fatal shot had been, was inflicted, and

(b) - the rolling over of Sheila's body onto its right side in the recovery position!

Somebody tried desperately hard to try and keep Sheila Caffells alive!, The person or persons who took these actions intended not to kill her, they didn't want her to die, and Jeremy Bamber had he been the person who had planned to kill his sister and lay the blame at her feet would surely not do quite the opposite of what the prosecution alleged he had intended to do!

The conclusions I have reached in this matter give a clear indication that had Jeremy Bamber been the evil cold blooded murderer that the prosecutions case sought to portray him as, that surely such a callous killer would not have tried to save Sheila's life by performing actions (a) and (b)...

Whoever performed these actions did so within short moments after Sheila got shot the second time and died as a result of being shot on that occasion! This wasn't cops trying to stem blood flowing from a fatal wound in her neck which had been inflicted as long ago as prior to 3.52am (over 5 hours previously) that same morning! This was a cop, or cops taking action to try and save the life of somebody they had just shot, or if I bend the truth a bit, who had just shot herself!

Just look at the evidence in that photograph and see how fresh blood flow from the upper bullet wound overflows the two bloodied fingermarks (a), and the presence of pooled blood on the bedroom carpet beneath the open pages of the Bible which someone placed there in an attempt to conceal the blood which had stained that part of the bedroom carpet whilst Sheila's body had been laid in the recovery position upon its right side!

Who planted that Bible there, intent on trying to hide Sheila's blood on that part of the main bedroom carpet?

Did Sheila place the Bible there?

How about Jeremy?

No, the only people with an interest of concealing such a vital piece of evidence were the police themselves! They didn't want anyone to know that they were responsible for shooting Sheila Caffells dead on the main bedroom floor! They didn't want anyone to know that they had placed Sheila's body in the recovery position on its right side! They didn't want anyone to know that an officer had placed two of his own fingers against the upper bullet entry hole in an attempt to stop or slow down the rate of escaping blood that began gushing out when they shot Sheila Dead in a training exercise tragedy which was being carried out on the footting that the victim was already pronounced as being dead!

The words of Stan Jones which he told the COLP investigators becomes somewhat poignant at this juncture - 'Sheila looked so peaceful like she was simply asleep'!

Yes, she was not dead when the police surgeon, Dr Craig had pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, her body at that time 'on the far side of the bed', it matters not if any of you choose to believe her body was already on the bedroom floor by that stage (8.44am), because the actions of the police in rolling her body into the recovery position upon its right side, and the placing of two strong fingers against the fresh wound inflicted by a bullet fired by way of the anshuzt rifle the police themselves had been manipulating upon her body in a training exercise, to try and stem the flow of blood in an effort to keep Sheila alive, tells it's own story!

Jeremy Bamber has told the truth all along, he did not shoot dead his sister on the main bedroom floor and he did not stage his sister's death scene to try and make police think his sister had taken her own life! The police staged Sheila's death scene to try and make it look like she had killed herself!

This is the correct interpretation involving the circumstances surrounding the death of Sheila Caffells on the main bedroom floor!

Jeremy Bamber must be released immediately, and his position in jail replaced by all those responsible for framing him for these killings, and all of whom are all respinsibke for conspiracy to pervert the course of Justice!

[mike tesko]

Herbert Leon McDonnell has recanted on his 1992 conclusions and now believes it could be suicide.

Herbert Leon McDonnell came to the conclusion of murder in 1992 based on incomplete information.

You cannot use his 1992 conclusions while simultaneously ignoring his revised 2009 conclusions.

Unfortunately, I can seek to rely on parts of his conclusions contained in his 1992 report!

He explains, how the triangular bloodstain in the region of Sheila's right shoulder, and right armpit, of her nightdress got created, it is consistent with Sheila's body having been rolled into the recovery position before someone rolled her onto her back and staged her death scene with the rifle in her possession! Someone obviously did this and Sheila couldn't have done any of this by herself because she was dead as soon as the second shot was inflicted!  With respect Herbert Leon McDonnell's latest conclusions do not prevent for the possibility that police had shot Sheila and then taken Swift measures to try and rectify their mistake! Similarly, it's possible that cops took the measures described in the knowledge that moments beforehand that Sheila could have just shot herself!

What makes me think this did not happen, is that if this was the case, cops would have simply told the truth, they would have said that within moments of Shooting herself a second time, they had placed her body in the recovery position and admisteted CPR, and placed fingers against the fatal bullet entry wound in an attempt to keep Sheila alive! They would not then proceed to stage Sheila's death scene as a suicide, even if it had been a suicide!!

[mike tesko]

Unfortunately, I can seek to rely on parts of his conclusions contained in his 1992 report!

He explains, how the triangular bloodstain in the region of Sheila's right shoulder, and right armpit, of her nightdress got created, it is consistent with Sheila's body having been rolled into the recovery position before someone rolled her onto her back and staged her death scene with the rifle in her possession! Someone obviously did this and Sheila couldn't have done any of this by herself because she was dead as soon as the second shot was inflicted!  With respect Herbert Leon McDonnell's latest conclusions do not prevent for the possibility that police had shot Sheila and then taken Swift measures to try and rectify their mistake! Similarly, it's possible that cops took the measures described in the knowledge that moments beforehand that Sheila could have just shot herself!

What makes me think this did not happen, is that if this was the case, cops would have simply told the truth, they would have said that within moments of Shooting herself a second time, they had placed her body in the recovery position and admisteted CPR, and placed fingers against the fatal bullet entry wound in an attempt to keep Sheila alive! They would not then proceed to stage Sheila's death scene as a suicide, even if it had been a suicide!!

Set as a backdrop to these possibilities, are the conflicting locations where Sheila's body was found in the first instance, dependant upon whether an enquirer relies solely upon the evidence contained in the first part of the police investigation, police file SC/688/85, where it states categorically that Sheila was reported found and dead by way of a suicide downstairs in the kitchen, she having been shot only once! Hers being the dead female body found upon entry along with the body of Neville Bamber, facts which are backed up by timed police radio log messages at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am. A further three bodies found upstairs in two bedrooms, five dead in total!

Or..

By way of a reliance upon the second part of the police investigation, in police file SC/786/85, that her body was found in possession of the rifle on the main bedroom floor, shot twice!

[mike tesko]

Of course, there is the added complication of WPC Julia Jeapes seeing the rifle concerned resting at the box room window (a sighting also verified by PC Brown) which was noted just as the six man raid team were commencing their approach to enter the farmhouse intent upon bringing the ongoing seige to a conclusion! At best it would be safe to assume that the said rifle was there at the box room window at about 7.15am, or shortly afterward....

Now, if Sheila had already been shot and killed by that stage, how did that rifle get from the box room window into the possession of Sheila Caffells on the main bedroom floor in time for the armed officers to discover Sheila's body there grasping it by let's say on the one hand by either 8.10am, or as the case may be, the time when DC Oakey took photograph no.25 which is the first photograph that has been disclosed showing that rifle in Sheila's possession?

[mike tesko]

Of course, there is the added complication of WPC Julia Jeapes seeing the rifle concerned resting at the box room window (a sighting also verified by PC Brown) which was noted just as the six man raid team were commencing their approach to enter the farmhouse intent upon bringing the ongoing seige to a conclusion! At best it would be safe to assume that the said rifle was there at the box room window at about 7.15am, or shortly afterward....

Now, if Sheila had already been shot and killed by that stage, how did that rifle get from the box room window into the possession of Sheila Caffells on the main bedroom floor in time for the armed officers to discover Sheila's body there grasping it by let's say on the one hand by either 8.10am, or as the case may be, the time when DC Oakey took photograph no.25 which is the first photograph that has been disclosed showing that rifle in Sheila's possession?

In those circumstances, Jeremy Bamber cannot have been responsible for staging his sister's death scene, using that rifle!

[mike tesko]

In those circumstances, Jeremy Bamber cannot have been responsible for staging his sister's death scene, using that rifle!

Any would be slueth worth their own weight in salt, might also contemplate how oily residue from the rifles ejection port and a small hole both of which were found to be present on the left hand side of Sheila's nightdress got there, and what relation this had with the sighting of the rifle earlier at the box room window, and by the time the same rifle ended up in Sheila's possession in time for DC Oakey to photograph it there by the time he got around to taking photograph no.25?

[mike tesko]

All the problems involving different exhibit references for the same item have arisen because of the existence of two different police files (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85)...

[mike tesko]

All the problems involving different exhibit references for the same item have arisen because of the existence of two different police files (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85)...

Let's take the exhibit references for the hand swabs taken from Sheila:-

SC/688/85 - DRH/44 Lab' item no. 17 (rejected)
SC/786/85 - DRH/33 Lab' item no.75 (resubmitted)

[mike tesko]

Let's now look at the Bible:-

SC/688/85 - DRH/33
SC/786/85 - DRH/44