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Offline mike tesko

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Well, you don't think that the shooting incident in the kitchen involved Woodcock shooting dead an already dead child victim, either, do you?
I'll you a clue, it had something to do with a shooting incident when Woodcock entered the internal kitchen door! Furthermore,  this shooting incident is linked to one of the two bodies reported as present downstairs in the kitchen referred to in the first police file (SC/688/85), and it involved a female! The females death was reported as a suicide! The females body was noted after the mention of Neville Bambers body in all police radio messages thus discounting for any possibility of there having been some sort of a mix up! There couldn't have been the sort of mix up where cops are saying Neville's body was originally mistaken for that of a female because the male body was reported before mention of the female body! Furthermore, no-one would explain Neville Bambers death as being a suicide, because he had been shot a total of 7 times! June Bambers death couldn't have been the female body referred to as being present downstairs in the kitchen because she had been shot by 7 bullets and her death could not be described by any bodies standards as a suicide - and besides at 8.10am, there were only three bodies upstairs, not four!
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MORE likely it was the Phantom of the Opera.
wonder why Essex police refused Jeremy all the paperwork relating to all the firearms and ammunition drawn from the force armoury by all 20 of the firearm officers who attended the incident at whf on 7th August 1985? Why Essex police refuse to release information regarding the number of rounds PS Woodcock was issued with prior to him attending the seize, and the total number of rounds he returned there after he left the scene?

You don't think it's because he was one round short, do you?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 03:21:PM by mike tesko »
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wonder why Essex police refused Jeremy all the paperwork relating to all the firearms and ammunition drawn from the force armoury by all 20 of the firearm officers who attended the incident at whf on 7th August 1985? Why Essex police refuse to release information regarding the number of rounds PS Woodcock was issued with prior to him attending the seize, and the total number of rounds he returned there after he left the scene?

You don't think it's because he was one round short, do you?

I have no idea, ballistics not being my forte...................but I'm willing to bet it has very little -indeed, probably nothing- to do with what you're claiming.

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wonder why Essex police refused Jeremy all the paperwork relating to all the firearms and ammunition drawn from the force armoury by all 20 of the firearm officers who attended the incident at whf on 7th August 1985? Why Essex police refuse to release information regarding the number of rounds PS Woodcock was issued with prior to him attending the seize, and the total number of rounds he returned there after he left the scene?

You don't think it's because he was one round short, do you?
Don't overlook the significance of who was involved in the shooting incident that took place downstairs in the kitchen when PS Woodcock entered the kitchen (1612, refers), and don't be afraid to think this might have got something to do with the body of one dead female being present downstairs in the kitchen after Neville Bambers body had already been accounted for!

Oh, and don't be afraid to think how a piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) which the pathologist removed from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed on 7th August 1985, had manifested itself and grown into a whole bullet by the 20th September 1985, to enable the prosecutions ballistic expert to say that the newly acquired whole bullet had been fired via the anshuzt rifle!!
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Don't overlook the significance of who was involved in the shooting incident that took place downstairs in the kitchen when PS Woodcock entered the kitchen (1612, refers), and don't be afraid to think this might have got something to do with the body of one dead female being present downstairs in the kitchen after Neville Bambers body had already been accounted for!

Oh, and don't be afraid to think how a piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) which the pathologist removed from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed on 7th August 1985, had manifested itself and grown into a whole bullet by the 20th September 1985, to enable the prosecutions ballistic expert to say that the newly acquired whole bullet had been fired via the anshuzt rifle!!
try not to pretend that there was only a series of official test firing of the anshuzt rifle, with and without a SM, using control ammunition on and after the 20th September 1985, when by reference to his own working handwritten notes, dated, and signed by him (Fletcher) confirms that he carried out earlier test firings of the same long before that official date!

Why does the prosecutions ballistic expert in this case feel the need to have to lie and make false and very misleading witness statements?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 03:35:PM by mike tesko »
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DC Oakey took this particular crime scene photograph at the scene according to PC Bird whilst Bird was testifying during the trial in October 1986 :-

please note that in this particular image (photo' no.25) that the blood which had ran from the corners of Sheila's mouth, from her left nostril which pooled in her left eye socket, blood which ran diagonally across her neck toward her right shoulder, etc, etc, etc, had dried and coagulated by the time DC Oakey captured this image - it should also be noted that it must have been DC Oakey and not PC Bird who had taken photographs numbered 23 and 24, of which phorto' no.23 is of particular importance, since it shows a view from the middle landing on the main stairs looking into the main bedroom with the anshuzt rifle resting against the bedroom window! Whilst testifying both PC Bird and Ron Cook testified to the effect that Cook had placed the rifle there after 'he' had removed it from Sheila's body and given it to PI Montgomery to make safe beforehand! The truth of the matter was that Ron Cook could not have placed the rifle there at that main bedroom window, and that PC Bird could not have taken photograph no.23, because DC Oakley was still taking photographs inside the main bedroom and did so right up to and inclusive of all the numbered photographs, (1) to (25) inclusive, and by the time Ron Cook took charge of the crime scene at 10.00am onward with the second team of SOCO's compromising of himself, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird, the first team of SOC (compromising of Oakey and Henderson) had already left the farmhouse - how, therefore could Ron Cook have placed the rifle at the main bedroom window and how could PC Bird have took that (23) photograph long before they were given the crime scene and took control of it! Let us not forget that Ron Cook testified that there was no-one else present inside the farmhouse once his team had been given control of it at 10.00am!

DC Oakey was still there in the main bedroom in order for him to take photograph no.25, so who was Cook and Bird trying to kid?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 05:17:PM by mike tesko »
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We also know with a degree of certainty, that PC Bird could not have captured the following image which shows a similar view of Sheila's face and neck as shown in photo' no.25 taken by DC Oakey, only the blood was still leaking and running out of the two wounds in Sheila's neck and fresh looking!

PC Bird could not possibly have taken the image below at the scene after 10.00am that morning for obvious reasons, it must have been captured prior to photo' no.25 that PC Bird told the court that DC Oakey had taken! I have taken into consideration different explanbations which have been put forward where it has been suggested that somebody has been messing with the contrast and picture settings to create the impression that the blood looks wet but I have dismissed this! What is more likely was that DC Oakey had his camera fixed in position on a tripod pointing at the victim, and that at various intervals he took the same picture with the blood drying at different intervals! Sheila was shot on the second occasion at 9.13am, and the quality and consistency of the blood in this latest photograph is consistent with there having been a delay of 47 minutes before senior officers handed over control of the bedroom scene to Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird, from Oakey and Henderson at around 10.00am..
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 05:39:PM by mike tesko »
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PC Bird needs to be arrested and shown the image above and asked when he could have taken such a photograph?
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PC Bird needs to be arrested and shown the image above and asked when he could have taken such a photograph?

His bottle will go and he will spill the beans, that's what I think!
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OK, next approach find the police negative of this photograph and the other 9 images captured in sequence in the same roll of film!!

Boy, oh boy, things are starting to look up all of a sudden!!!

DC Henderson and DC Oakey have all the answers to this part of the conspiracy to doctor the crime scene of this multiple murder case...
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 05:45:PM by mike tesko »
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I feel a new job for Mr Smethurst to look into, seems like he's about to become more famous than he already is...
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I feel a new job for Mr Smethurst to look into, seems like he's about to become more famous than he already is...
I wonder what the other 9 consecutively taken photographs on that particular roll of film will show?

Might have to get the whiskey out..
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One thing of certainty is that PC Bird (from second SOC team which took control of the main bedroom crime scene after 10.00am) could not possibly have taken the first photographs showing the position of the guns barrel on the body of Sheila Caffell, positioned close to the collar of Sheila's nightdress, and that be the position and location of the gun on top of Sheila's body undisturbed from the alleged moment her body could have been found by 8.10am upstairs on the main bedroom floor - police officers were queing up to verify that no-one touched or had moved Sheila's body, nobody it seems had touched the Bible, or the rifle, they all made witness statements saying that Sheila's body had been found as shown by photographs taken by PC Bird after 10.00am..

Oh, right... But what of the position of Sheila's body, and the position of the guns barrel virtually resting against the left side of Sheila's neck  way above the collar of her nightdress, when of course, DC Oakey took photograph no. 25? Hang on, what about the position of the gun when the police surgeon viewed Sheila's body at 8.44am when the rifle was laying alongside Sheila's body? Moreover, what about when Stan Jones had seen Sheila and June's bodies both laid on top of the bed, with the rifle resting on the bed in between both bodies? What about when the Commander of the firearms operation, PS Adams had visited the main bedroom scene at around 9.00am, when according to his version of events there was no gun with Sheila's body? What about the Coroner's Officer, PC Wright who attended the incident at about 9.30am and whilst viewing Sheila's body in the main bedroom and although he states that by that stage Sheila had been shot twice in the neck, the gun had been removed from her body by that stage?

Gun moved from the body?

Oh, it gets worse because the gun ends up resting against the inside main bedroom window as captured by photograph no.23 in sequence! This was followed by at least one disclosed photograph taken by DC Oakey (no.25) long before the second SOC team were handed the main bedroom crime scene by senior officers and the first SOC team (Oakey and Henderson)...

And so...

Any claim that Sheila's body, the gun, the Bible had remained undisturbed from the moment the raid team had first discovered her body there on the main bedroom floor by at the earliest 8.10am, in possession of that gun and the Bible alongside! Now, if Sheila's body had been one of only three bodies found upstairs by that stage, to be pondered was where was June Bambers body at that time? If her body was also one of the three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, then whose was the third body, Daniel Caffells, or Nicholas Caffells? If it was Daniels body then where was Nicholas' body, and vice versa?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 07:57:PM by mike tesko »
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Just to recap, we have Sheila's body in different locations within the farmhouse dependant upon whichever police case file you might be reading from? (SC/688/85 or SC/786/85)

If the contents of the first part of the police investigation had been fully disclosed, Sheila's body would have been found downstairs in the kitchen along with Neville Bambers body she having only been shot once, her death being referred to as a suicide, as supported by the contents of the police radio log contents!

On the other hand, by reference to the second police file (SC/786/85) Sheila's body was found upstairs on the bedroom floor, shot twice and in possession of the rifle!

The current situation results in total confusion because both versions of the alleged true versions exist and contradict one another - evidence from the two separate parts of the police investigations (SC/688/85 and SC/786/85) place Sheila's body as found upstairs on the main bedroom floor, and downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber! More worryingly, Sheila is found upstairs in possession of a rifle and she is dead as a result of two shots in the neck, whereas in the other account she was found downstairs and  has only been shot once and her death is reported as being a suicide by 7.45am!

What are we to believe?

What would a jury make of such contradictions?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 08:10:PM by mike tesko »
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Just to recap, we have Sheila's body in different locations within the farmhouse dependant upon whichever police case file you might be reading from? (SC/688/85 or SC/786/85)

If the contents of the first part of the police investigation had been fully disclosed, Sheila's body would have been found downstairs in the kitchen along with Neville Bambers body she having only been shot once, her death being referred to as a suicide, as supported by the contents of the police radio log contents!


Mike. The female spotted downstairs has been explained.




What you need to explain is how police managed to shoot Sheila with .223 ammunition yet the wounds are consistent with a .22lr. A contact wound to Sheila's chin would result in an exit wound out the head and it will be very messy.