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Offline mike tesko

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When I first came into contact with Jeremy in 1989, he told me that his greedy relatives had paved the way to make him into the killer, so that they could lay their hands on anything of real value in his parents and his grandmother's estate(s)!
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When I first came into contact with Jeremy in 1989, he told me that his greedy relatives had paved the way to make him into the killer, so that they could lay their hands on anything of real value in his parents and his grandmother's estate(s)!

Well, he was hardly going to tell you that he'd got rid of his family because he'd had a gut full of labouring on the farm to pay for Sheila's life-style and her boys' education, was he?

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Well, he was hardly going to tell you that he'd got rid of his family because he'd had a gut full of labouring on the farm to pay for Sheila's life-style and her boys' education, was he?

He didn't get rid of his family, as far as the cops were concerned Sheila killed the other's, and there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to prove that someone else did, or had!

I am convinced that she did shoot and kill the other four victims - there is no reliable evidence imaginary or otherwise, which suggests that she could not have killed any of the other four victims all by herself - if you can think something up let me know and I will consider it!

That's the problem with this case, seems like Jeremy has been made into the killer, on the say so of relatives and cops making things up about the SM being on the barrel of the rifle at the time Sheila was shot and killed, but it now looks almost certain that the SM was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time she was shot, or by the time Neville Bamber was shot! Scratch marks on aga surround faked for whatever reason, just so the prosecutions case could lead with the argument, that with the SM fitted on the end of the guns barrel, not only would the overall length have been too long for Sheila to shoot herself with the weapon so configured, but more significantly, she would not have been able to take the SM off the barrel of the gun after she was already dead, and take it all the way downstairs to conceal it in a gun cupboard, and then make her way back upstairs to lay down dead on the bedroom floor!

Of course she couldn't, and of course she didn't, she didn't shoot herself with any gun, and neither did Jeremy shoot her with any gun, SM attached or not, it's all bogus evidence, the sort of evidence manipulation which the prosecution, the police and it's greedy witnesses needed to introduce to stand any chance of getting Jeremy convicted of anything!
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 08:46:PM by mike tesko »
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He didn't get rid of his family, as far as the cops were concerned Sheila killed the other's, and there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to prove that someone else did, or had!

I am convinced that she did shoot and kill the other four victims - there is no reliable evidence imaginary or otherwise, which suggests that she could boot have killed any of the other four victims all by herself - if you can think something up let me know and I will consider it!

That's the problem with this case, seems like Jeremy has been made into the killer, on the say so of relatives and cops making things up about the SM being on the barrel of the rifle at the time Sheila was shot and killed, but it now looks almost certain that the SM was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time she was shot, or by the time Neville Bamber was shot! Scratch marks on aga surround faked for whatever reason, just so the prosecutions case could lead with the argument, that with the SM fitted on the end of the guns barrel, not only would the overall length have been too long for Shgeila to shoot herself with the weapon so configured, but more significantly, she would not have been able to take the SM off the barrel of the gun after she was already dead, and take it all the way downstairs to conceal it in a gun cupboard, and then make her way back upstairs to lay down dead on the bedroom floor!

Of course she couldn't, and of course she didn't, she didn't shoot herself with any gun, and neither did Jeremy shoot her with any gun, SM attached or not, it's all bogus evidence, the sort of evidence manipulation which the prosecution, the police and it's greedy witnesses needed to introduce to stand any chance of getting Jeremy convicted of anything!

Or that she did. Difference being, Jeremy had time to rid himself of incriminating evidence - Sheila didn't.
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The tell tale oily residue on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress and the small hole situated there caused by the ejected cartridge case, tells it's own story - so does the fact that she shot the other victims invariably on the right hand side of their bodies...

Sheila shot the other four victims, first lot of cops got that part of this tragedy spot on - it was Ainsley, Stan Jones, Ron Cook, the then PC Whiddon,  and Bob Miller who tarnished the evidence, edited it, got rid of it, re-submiited it disguised it by giving items different exhibit references and lab' item numbers! They lied about when the anshuzt rifle got test fired with control ammunition, they switched bullets and spent cartridge cases, goddamit they didn't even make their own witness statements of their own free will, they had all that nonsense thought up for them, at meetings held between Essex Police and the dastardly DPP, by some other interfering bugger!

Jeremy's trial was a pig circus, the 2002 appeal more of the same!

By the time the victims bodies were disposed of by way of cremation and burial, Essex police had all the evidence they required or needed to establish Jeremy Bambers innocence! They had to create a new crime reference no. So that Jeremy Bamber could be prosecuted without the cops having to disclose all the evidence they had gathered during the first month of the first investigation - SC/688/85 (original), SC/786/85 (the conspiracy file)...

I know what I am talking about, that what the buggers did...

That's why items of evidential evidence have different exhibit references and lab' item numbers, they had different references for different investigations, same items..

Crooked police, CPS, Relatives, and blind members of the public who will believe anything old bill tells them, or prosecution say, or what they read in newspapers, or hear on the news...

Open your eyes, and try to recognise reality, the truth is out there...
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 08:48:PM by mike tesko »
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He didn't get rid of his family, as far as the cops were concerned Sheila killed the other's, and there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to prove that someone else did, or had!

I am convinced that she did shoot and kill the other four victims - there is no reliable evidence imaginary or otherwise, which suggests that she could boot have killed any of the other four victims all by herself - if you can think something up let me know and I will consider it!

That's the problem with this case, seems like Jeremy has been made into the killer, on the say so of relatives and cops making things up about the SM being on the barrel of the rifle at the time Sheila was shot and killed, but it now looks almost certain that the SM was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time she was shot, or by the time Neville Bamber was shot! Scratch marks on aga surround faked for whatever reason, just so the prosecutions case could lead with the argument, that with the SM fitted on the end of the guns barrel, not only would the overall length have been too long for Shgeila to shoot herself with the weapon so configured, but more significantly, she would not have been able to take the SM off the barrel of the gun after she was already dead, and take it all the way downstairs to conceal it in a gun cupboard, and then make her way back upstairs to lay down dead on the bedroom floor!

Of course she couldn't, and of course she didn't, she didn't shoot herself with any gun, and neither did Jeremy shoot her with any gun, SM attached or not, it's all bogus evidence, the sort of evidence manipulation which the prosecution, the police and it's greedy witnesses needed to introduce to stand any chance of getting Jeremy convicted of anything!

Mike why are you so adamant the police shot Sheila? Would anything ever persuade you to think otherwise?

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Or that she did. Difference being, Jeremy had time to rid himself of incriminating evidence - Sheila didn't.

The evidence is all there, Sheila handled and fired a gun that night, oily residue on the left hand side of her nightdress, and a small hole to boot caused by an ejecting spent cartridge case from the gun she was using - it's all there in the ballistic experts handwritten notes! Pity he did not think to make mention of these findings in his witness statements, or better still when he testified during the trial!

The gouges and blood smears on her right forearm were caused because she was using her right hand to steady the end of the guns barrel, making it the closest part of her body to the victims she was shooting at! She used the finger of her left hand to activate the trigger, you can still see how the left forefinger set in a cadaveric spasm at the time she died! Cops dropped a clanger by staging her death scene with the rifle on the right hand side of her body trying to make it look like she had shot herself using her right hand fingers to activate the trigger mechanism of the gun - but she was left handed, goddamit, she was left handed, and cops in their haste to fake her death scene did not know this!

But guess what?

Jeremy knew his sister was left handed, he knew she had the habit of holding the rifle on the wrong side of her body, that she used her right hand to steady the barrel end, and that her trigger finger was on her left hand - cops have dropped a right clanger, and they got their ballistic expert to help them cover it up, because Fletcher found the oily residue from the guns ejection port right there where it would be if she fired the rifle just like she fired it when Jeremy and David Boutflour taught Sheila how to handle and fire guns!!!

Sheila invariable shot at victims so that bullets would cause wounds on the rhs of their bodies!!!
« Last Edit: December 21, 2017, 08:51:PM by mike tesko »
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He didn't get rid of his family, as far as the cops were concerned Sheila killed the other's, and there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to prove that someone else did, or had!

I am convinced that she did shoot and kill the other four victims - there is no reliable evidence imaginary or otherwise, which suggests that she could boot have killed any of the other four victims all by herself - if you can think something up let me know and I will consider it!

That's the problem with this case, seems like Jeremy has been made into the killer, on the say so of relatives and cops making things up about the SM being on the barrel of the rifle at the time Sheila was shot and killed, but it now looks almost certain that the SM was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time she was shot, or by the time Neville Bamber was shot! Scratch marks on aga surround faked for whatever reason, just so the prosecutions case could lead with the argument, that with the SM fitted on the end of the guns barrel, not only would the overall length have been too long for Shgeila to shoot herself with the weapon so configured, but more significantly, she would not have been able to take the SM off the barrel of the gun after she was already dead, and take it all the way downstairs to conceal it in a gun cupboard, and then make her way back upstairs to lay down dead on the bedroom floor!

Of course she couldn't, and of course she didn't, she didn't shoot herself with any gun, and neither did Jeremy shoot her with any gun, SM attached or not, it's all bogus evidence, the sort of evidence manipulation which the prosecution, the police and it's greedy witnesses needed to introduce to stand any chance of getting Jeremy convicted of anything!


I'm equally convinced that she did NOT shoot anyone. "There is no reliable evidence, imagery or otherwise" which suggests that she did.

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Mike why are you so adamant the police shot Sheila? Would anything ever persuade you to think otherwise?

Aah, at long last, someone wants to know why I am saying that Sheila was shot twice by police in two different parts of the farmhouse, on occasions, either side of 8.10am, when according to the then believed facts two bodies downstairs, and three bodies upstairs (PS Adams was the Commander throughout this part of the operation! I can tell you that Sheila did not die, she was not dead when Adams headed that part of the firearm operation (5.00am to 8.10am)! No, Sheila died in a different part of the operation, after PS Adams left the scene, when PI Montgomery assumed Commandership!

I know exactly how they shot Sheila, and I know how it can be proved!
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Mike why are you so adamant the police shot Sheila? Would anything ever persuade you to think otherwise?

https://youtu.be/mmCART1vcCo

Have you not seen Mike's video ? It's been up 2 years & explains this.

You, Nugs, Lookout & Mike need to work together to get Bamber released in 2018.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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https://youtu.be/mmCART1vcCo

Have you not seen Mike's video ? It's been up 2 years & explains this.

You, Nugs, Lookout & Mike need to work together to get Bamber released in 2018.





I'm doing just that-------you ?

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I'm doing just that-------you ?

You, Nugs, David & Mike will be effective together.
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Aah, at long last, someone wants to know why I am saying that Sheila was shot twice by police in two different parts of the farmhouse, on occasions, either side of 8.10am, when according to the then believed facts two bodies downstairs, and three bodies upstairs (PS Adams was the Commander throughout this part of the operation! I can tell you that Sheila did not die, she was not dead when Adams headed that part of the firearm operation (5.00am to 8.10am)! No, Sheila died in a different part of the operation, after PS Adams left the scene, when PI Montgomery assumed Commandership!

I know exactly how they shot Sheila, and I know how it can be proved!

Sheila was not seen nor shot downstairs. PC Collins saw Nevill though the window and thought it was a woman. Thus it became reported as a dead female.
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Sheila was not seen nor shot downstairs. PC Collins saw Nevill though the window and thought it was a woman. Thus it became reported as a dead female.

REALLY?  :o ::)
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I'm equally convinced that she did NOT shoot anyone. "There is no reliable evidence, imagery or otherwise" which suggests that she did.

Sorry, but on this occasion you are wrong - you need to find out why the prosecutions ballistic expert, and I will name him, Malcolm Fletcher, found oily residue from the rifles ejection port on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress, right where there had been caused a small hole, a small hole that was consistent with an ejecting spent cartridge case, being ejected from the rifle she had just fired, and damaging her nightdress in an area saturated by oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle! Why didn't one of your heroes (Fletcher) make mention of this residue in one of his witness statements? Why didn't your expert hero tell the court about this when he testified during the trial?

Sheila fired the gun awkwardly, she used her right hand to steady the barrel she was pointing at her victims, and she activated the trigger with the forefinger of her left hand - spent cartridges ejected against the left side of her nightdress because of the unnatural way she was known by at least two people to handle guns (David Boutflour and Jeremy Bamber), oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle were present, it's all there in Fletcher's handwritten notes, but missing from his witness statement, and his testimony! Now, please tell me, do you think that discovering the oily residue from the ejection port of the rifle on the lhs of Sheila's nightdress deserved at least a mention by the prosecutions expert?

Of course it did!

Why did the prosecution ballistic expert have to tell a blatant lie to the effect that he did not know when the anshuzt rifle had last been fired prior to him conducting the official test fire of the same, using a SM, and control ammunition from exhibit DRH42, which his statement says he conducted on the 20th and 25th September , and the 1st and 2nd October 1985? We all know he was test firing the same rifle, SM and control ammunition much earlier than that because it's in the buggers handwritten notes that he had, and that he did! He even dated, and signed these handwritten notes, so please try to enlighten me why he should keep all of this vital information out of his witness statements? Oh, I get it now, the bugger didn't even make his own witness statement did he? It's a composite version of what someone else thought up that which Fletcher might say?
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