Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[mike tesko]

How coincidental that although Stan Jones only stayed 20 minutes at Jeremy's cottage on that first morning of the investigation, that he should find time to tell Ann Eaton and the other relatives gathered there, that Neville Bambers body was found in the kitchen, and that the two bodies of June and Sheila were found on top of the bed in the main bedroom, and that there was a rifle on the bed in between both bodies, and that Sheila had got a bible on her chest! By all accounts he overheard Jeremy Chuckling when he had a quite moment with Julie, as described...

Then he left Jeremy's cottage, and as it were he returned back to the scene!

Of course he did..

[Jane]

Well it's not me,I've hardly been on the forum this week. I can't be blamed for everything ?

No, you're right, Lookout. It wasn't you

[Roch]

It was not you lookout.  A lot of posts have been removed.  You were not involved.

One of mine was removed also Neil - I asked who had been banned (as there was reference made to a ban in other posts).

[maggie]

One of mine was removed also Neil - I asked who had been banned (as there was reference made to a ban in other posts).

I have pmd you Roch.

[mike tesko]

Stan Jones and Mick Clark told the relatives, including Ann Eaton everything they wanted to know about where the bodies of the five victims had been found on the first morning of the police investigation! Neville Bamber was found in the kitchen, they told her and them, June and Sheila were on the bed next to each other, and the two child victims were found dead in their respective beds in another bedroom. They told her and the other relatives that Sheila had only been shot once, because she only had one bullet wound to her neck when they visited the bedroom and saw the carnage!

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[mike tesko]

Exactly how Stan Jones could not have seen that Sheila had two bullet wounds with blood streaming also from the corners of her mouth, by reference to the crime scene showing both injuries and the mess on her neck and face of the blood pouring out from all over the place is testimony to what must have happened and did happen once Stan Jones left the farmhouse to go to Jeremy's cottage...

How did he miss noticing all this blood on her face, on her neck, running from her nostril and pooling in her left eye socket?

Stan Jones does not see the two bloodied fingermarks against the top wound, or notice the fact that fresh blood has run over the top of these fingermarks...

It doesn't seem to dawn on Stan Jones how fresh looking the blood appears to be on her neck wounds..

Bright red blood on her neck and on her nightdress!!!

[David1819]

Oh sorry! I was using my ear but now you have pointed out that I should use my eyes - I'll go back and have another look - Nope sorry! How is what you posted a signature?

Well if you can't see it or don't want to see it (I suspect the latter). It's really not my problem.

[mike tesko]

Exactly how Stan Jones could not have seen that Sheila had two bullet wounds with blood streaming also from the corners of her mouth, by reference to the crime scene showing both injuries and the mess on her neck and face of the blood pouring out from all over the place is testimony to what must have happened and did happen once Stan Jones left the farmhouse to go to Jeremy's cottage...

How did he miss noticing all this blood on her face, on her neck, running from her nostril and pooling in her left eye socket?

Stan Jones does not see the two bloodied fingermarks against the top wound, or notice the fact that fresh blood has run over the top of these fingermarks...

It doesn't seem to dawn on Stan Jones how fresh looking the blood appears to be on her neck wounds..

Bright red blood on her neck and on her nightdress!!!

I find that the reason Stan Jones does not mention these features was because Sheila hadn't been shot a second time by that stage...

Police are responsible for shooting Sheila the second time after Stan Jones first view of the body prior to him leaving the scene, and going to Jeremy's cottage!!

When he next returned to the scene, she had by that stage been shot on the second occasion...

[mike tesko]

Stan Jones did not see the blood which had run from the corners of Sheila's mouth, or out from her left nostril that pooled in her left eye socket - because at the time of his first visit to the scene, in particular the main bedroom, there was no blood running from the corners of her mouth, or out of one nostril, and there was no pooling of blood in her left eye socket!

I find that the blood only started to run from the corners of Sheila's mouth, and out of her nostril, once the second fatal shot had penetrated the base and roof of her mouth en route to its final resting place inside her brain, and that when Stan Jones first saw Sheila, that that second shot could not have been fired...

Hence, why he only saw one bullet wound on Sheila's neck on the very first occasion that he viewed her body!

[lookout]

We'll never know if that second shot had been a" coup-de-grace " or not.

[mike tesko]

We'll never know if that second shot had been a" coup-de-grace " or not.

If Sheila had already been shot twice by the time the police surgeon (Dr Craig), at 8.44am, and when Stan Jones saw Sheila's body on the bed shortly afterwards, both would have been able to see that she had been shot twice, they would not be saying that she had what appeared to be a single wound, or a solitary wound, or that they didn't realise until later that she had been shot twice!!!

Nobody can be mistaken looking at those photographs that in them Sheila has been shot twice by the time that PC Bird took those pictures after 10.00am...

[mike tesko]

If Sheila had already been shot twice by the time the police surgeon (Dr Craig), at 8.44am, and when Stan Jones saw Sheila's body on the bed shortly afterwards, both would have been able to see that she had been shot twice, they would not be saying that she had what appeared to be a single wound, or a solitary wound, or that they didn't realise until later that she had been shot twice!!!

Nobody can be mistaken looking at those photographs that in them Sheila has been shot twice by the time that PC Bird took those pictures after 10.00am...

Stan Jones also told the COLP investigators that Sheila looked so clean as though she couldn't have been involved in the attacks upon June and Neville Bamber - but she doesn't look that clean in the disclosed photographs that PC Bird took after 10.00am...

[mike tesko]

Stan Jones also told the COLP investigators that Sheila looked so clean as though she couldn't have been involved in the attacks upon June and Neville Bamber - but she doesn't look that clean in the disclosed photographs that PC Bird took after 10.00am...

She had grab marks in the region of her right wrist and hand, and multiple smudge marks in blood on her right forearm, well defined marks in blood as though she had been holding the rifle at the tritgger guard and stock region, all marks that are consistent with her having been involved in some altercation with her victims at some stage, and handling and firing the gun!

Neither Stan Jones, or Dr Craig, or anybody else for that matter, noticed the huge triangular bloodstain in the region of her right armpit and shoulder, something which was not present of course at the time of their sightings. These were formed upon that part of the nightdress after Craig and Jones had left the scene and the second shot got inflicted. Cops realised that she had not been dead when they shot her in a humongous blunder at about 9.13am, cops hurriedly tried to stem the flow of blood by pressing two fingers against the second wound and placed her body upon its right side in the recovery position, trying desperately to keep her alive. It was clear that by 10.00am, cops were finally satisfied that Sheila had died, and that's when the second team of SOC (Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley were permitted to record the crime scene from that stage forward...

[lookout]

Why was it that Julie Mugford only saw one shot while visiting the mortuary ? Given that both are so close ?

[Steve_uk]

Why was it that Julie Mugford only saw one shot while visiting the mortuary ? Given that both are so close ?

Well it can be an extremely distressing time and I think most people charged with that task just take a  quick look then withdraw.