Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[mike tesko]

Also of some significance, was the fact that when Ann Eaton came to make her COLP witness statement, she was telling COLP that DCS 'Mick' Ainsley, had told her that when it came time for her to give evidence during the forthcoming trial, that the defence might allege that relatives had deliberately contaminated the sound moderator with Sheila's blood from her soiled panties. How she had responded to Ainsley by saying that she would say that there was a different smell to ordinary blood as opposed to  menstrual blood! And, How Ainsley had told her to make sure she told the court that when she gave evidence if she was asked about it...

The really strange thing concerning this point, is that neither Glynis Howard, nor John Hayward who would later produce the key blood group evidence which he said belonged exclusively to Sheila caffell, was that they didn't make such a distinction, or comment upon the fact that the blood group activity would be identical whether or not the blood being tested was ordinary blood or menstrual blood!

[ngb1066]

Well it's not me,I've hardly been on the forum this week. I can't be blamed for everything ?

It was not you lookout.  A lot of posts have been removed.  You were not involved.

[mike tesko]

Nobody bothered to argue during the trial that relatives had damaged any prospect of the silencer evidence, and blood associated with it being reliable because there was a very strong possibility that blood had got onto the sound moderator and inside it too, as a result of contamination! The relatives by their own admission had gone to the scene that morning to clean up the blood and take away firearms and accessories which themselves could have got blood on them! The relatives had been touching bloodstained items, none of them had taken any precautions to prevent anything that they had taken away from the scene from being innocently, or accidentally contaminated with blood!

[Caroline]

Well it's not me,I've hardly been on the forum this week. I can't be blamed for everything ?

No one is blaming you Lookout.

[mike tesko]

Stan Jones was just a natural liar...

It was obvious to an headless chicken that PC Bird was not at the scene when Jones and Clark first visited the main bedroom scene at just after 9.00am, because Cook and Bird did not even arrive at the scene until 9.20am. They were kept waiting another 40 minutes before senior officers allowed them in to do their (SOC) work. But when Jones returned back to the scene at about 11.30am, PC Bird was present when Jones took possession of SBJ/1 from the downstairs toilet...

[mike tesko]

Despite what Jones was telling the COLP investigators in his COLP witness statement, he was wrong about the rifle having been found on the body. He saw the same rifle on the bed in between the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell which were laid on top of the bed alongside each other, when he first entered the main bedroom,and Sheila had only one shot to her neck by that stage!...

[mike tesko]

He was just telling lie after lie...

[mike tesko]

Stan Jones and Mick Clark told the relatives, including Ann Eaton everything they wanted to know about where the bodies of the five victims had been found on the first morning of the police investigation! Neville Bamber was found in the kitchen, they told her and them, June and Sheila were on the bed next to each other, and the two child victims were found dead in their respective beds in another bedroom. They told her and the other relatives that Sheila had only been shot once, because she only had one bullet wound to her neck when they visited the bedroom and saw the carnage!

There can be little doubt that Stan Jones was full of bullshit!

He only saw Peter Eaton when he collected the sound moderator from him on the 12th August 1985,
 but he told the COLP investigators that Ann Eaton was there as well on that occasion!

Amazing, Ann Eaton was there when her husband Peter handed Jones the sound moderator (SJ/1) on the 12th August 1985, and she herself handed a sound moderator (DRB/1) over to DC Oakey the following month on the 11th September 1985...

[mike tesko]

And, here is Stan Jones referring to the silencer as the sound moderator as of the 12th and 13th August 1985, as per his COLP witness statement:-

Stan Jones didn't need to put an exhibit label on the sound moderator he took from Peter Eaton, because Ron Cook knew that Jones had seized the sound moderator from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation! Cook was just given that sound moderator by Jones, and Cook didn't know that Jones and Jones had returned it to whf on the 9th August 1985, Cook took it for granted that it was the same sound moderator, and that's why he himself attached a label to it upon arriving at the lab' and why he gave it the identifying mark of SJ/1...

[lookout]

It was not you lookout.  A lot of posts have been removed.  You were not involved.

Thank goodness for that. I wouldn't have known what it was about anyway as I've been in and out lately.Thankyou for the reassurance NGB.

[mike tesko]

And, here is Stan Jones referring to the silencer as the sound moderator as of the 12th and 13th August 1985, as per his COLP witness statement:-

Stan Jones didn't need to put an exhibit label on the sound moderator he took from Peter Eaton, because Ron Cook knew that Jones had seized the sound moderator from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation! Cook was just given that sound moderator by Jones, and Cook didn't know that Jones and Jones had returned it to whf on the 9th August 1985, Cook took it for granted that it was the same sound moderator, and that's why he himself attached a label to it upon arriving at the lab' and why he gave it the identifying mark of SJ/1...

Here is Stan Jones suddenly knowing everything there was to know about the different exhibit references attributed to the sound moderator at different stages of the police investigation - SBJ/1 and then DB/1, when Ron Cook gave it SJ/1...

[David1819]

How is that even a signature?

Try looking at it. Someone has tried to scribble it out but you can still see outer edges of DS Jones signature.

[Caroline]

Try looking at it. Someone has tried to scribble it out but you can still see outer edges of DS Jones signature.

Oh sorry! I was using my ear but now you have pointed out that I should use my eyes - I'll go back and have another look - Nope sorry! How is what you posted a signature?

[mike tesko]

Oh, peace and quiet, before the storm, as the saying goes...

[mike tesko]

Well, here we are now dealing with what Stan Jones said to the COLP investigators as per the notes relating to his interview by them:-

According to log (which log) Stan Jones left the scene at 10.59am (what)?

And he was dropped off at Jeremy's cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger (What)? Arriving there at 11.15am (What)?

So, he left Head Street at 11.35am, did he? That means that Stan Jones on this version of his evidence was only at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, Jeremy's cottage for a maximum of 20 minutes between 11.15am, and 11.35am (What)?

So, in this 20 minutes or so, Stan had been present long enough to inform Ann Eaton and the other relatives that June Bambers and Sheila Caffells bodies had been laid on top of the bed, and that there was a rifle laying on the bed in between both bodies, and that Sheila had got a bible on her chest!!

Now, if Stan Jones did not leave the scene until 10.59am, then of course the second team of SOC, Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley, had already been in control of the farmhouse crime scene for almost an hour, and if this is true, then of course Stan Jones has told a blatant lie in one of his witness statements, where he states that he did not recollect PC Bird being present inside the farmhouse whilst he was there! (What)? Well of course PC Bird was there in the farmhouse between 10.00am and 10.59am, so Stan Jones has demonstrated a propensity to lie about matters...

Then, at 11.45am, Stan Jones returns to the scene but he claims he does not know the reason why he went back there within about 45 minutes of having left there? Well Stanley old boy, you went back to seize the four exhibits from the downstairs toilet and the kitchen, namely exhibits SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1 and these four exhibits were recorded in a Property Register - you seized the rifle belonging to Anthony Pargeter, and his 17 baffled Parker Hale Silencer. You took this back to Witham Police station and you placed it in DCI Jones office because he had sent you there to recover the gun and the sound moderator in question...