Urgent need to get rifling voids of rifle barrel checked for blood and DNA...

[Caroline]

By the same token, you might also expect blood mixed with human tissue on the outside of the sound moderator, but alas none was found there either!

Well, I guess if you used the butt end to bash someone with while holding the barrell, you wouldn't necessarily get tissue on the silencer if it were attached.

[buddy]

Well, I guess if you used the butt end to bash someone with while holding the barrell, you wouldn't necessarily get tissue on the silencer if it were attached.

Was any blood/tissue found on the butt end?

[Jane]

Well, I guess if you used the butt end to bash someone with while holding the barrell, you wouldn't necessarily get tissue on the silencer if it were attached.

In fact, the only way tissue would get inside is if the gun was being rammed, butt end down, into the flesh. If it's being used to beat someone, in all likelihood it will be the middle part of it which will be used.

[Caroline]

Was any blood/tissue found on the butt end?

Smears of blood but don't think any tissue was found Buddy.

[buddy]

Smears of blood but don't think any tissue was found Buddy.

Thanks Caroline. You would think the butt would have been heavily blood stained if indeed it had been used. Smearing would suggest that someone had blood on their hands imo.

[Caroline]

Thanks Caroline. You would think the butt would have been heavily blood stained if indeed it had been used. Smearing would suggest that someone had blood on their hands imo.

Or their gloves?

[buddy]

Or their gloves?

That too is true.

[mike tesko]

Well, I guess if you used the butt end to bash someone with while holding the barrell, you wouldn't necessarily get tissue on the silencer if it were attached.

I don't believe that the attacker hit Neville Bamber with any part of the gun as was suggested, since there was no scientific or expert opinion where marks made on the body were caused as a result of being struck by a specific part of the rifle! I believe its much more likely that any such injuries were caused as a result of Neville falling against some hard / sharp/ blunt object or oither. In Point of fact, stop and think for a moment the liklihood of Neville bambers head and face falling perfectly into the metal coal bucket by the corner of the kitchen aga?  Surely, his head and face striking against the hard metal rim of that bucket would have caused serios injuries of the tyoe and nature which has been fobbed off as being caused by being struck with the rifle in club fashion?

Neveille Bamber was a big bloke, and heavy - there would have been one hell of an amount of force impacting against any part of that bucket when his head fell against it or into it! And, where else did Neville fall and bang his face andd his head?

[lookout]

I too think that the part of A rifle that broke,did so against the iron surround of the Aga as Nevill would have held up an arm to guide it away from him and in doing so it smacked the side of the surround. It wouldn't have broken with a blow to the head.

[sami]

Thanks Caroline. You would think the butt would have been heavily blood stained if indeed it had been used. Smearing would suggest that someone had blood on their hands imo.

did the cleaner say that the washing up liquid was not in its correct place.may have been used to clean blood stains on rifle and hands

[Jane]

did the cleaner say that the washing up liquid was not in its correct place.may have been used to clean blood stains on rifle and hands

Can you think of any feasible reason why Sheila, IF she'd committed the massacre, and intended to use the weapon to take her own life, would wish to conceal that she had? It would go somewhat against June's claims that she'd paid no interest in housework, wouldn't it?

[sami]

Can you think of any feasible reason why Sheila, IF she'd committed the massacre, and intended to use the weapon to take her own life, would wish to conceal that she had? It would go somewhat against June's claims that she'd paid no interest in housework, wouldn't it?

non what so ever, jane

[Steve_uk]

I don't believe that the attacker hit Neville Bamber with any part of the gun as was suggested, since there was no scientific or expert opinion where marks made on the body were caused as a result of being struck by a specific part of the rifle! I believe its much more likely that any such injuries were caused as a result of Neville falling against some hard / sharp/ blunt object or oither. In Point of fact, stop and think for a moment the liklihood of Neville bambers head and face falling perfectly into the metal coal bucket by the corner of the kitchen aga?  Surely, his head and face striking against the hard metal rim of that bucket would have caused serios injuries of the tyoe and nature which has been fobbed off as being caused by being struck with the rifle in club fashion?

Neveille Bamber was a big bloke, and heavy - there would have been one hell of an amount of force impacting against any part of that bucket when his head fell against it or into it! And, where else did Neville fall and bang his face andd his head?

I think he collapsed in a chair first, moments from death, then further rifle shots ensued. Jeremy's prodding with the rifle might have tipped him over into the bucket, or did he place his father there as symbol of the New Order, reluctant to view his handiwork, the human carnage unsettling his exultant mood, just as he vowed never to gaze upon June's face again after the final shot between the forehead.

[sami]

I think he collapsed in a chair first, moments from death, then further rifle shots ensued. Jeremy's prodding with the rifle might have tipped him over into the bucket, or did he place his father there as symbol of the New Order, reluctant to view his handiwork, the human carnage unsettling his exultant mood, just as he vowed never to gaze upon June's face again after the final shot between the forehead.

good post steve

[Jane]

I think he collapsed in a chair first, moments from death, then further rifle shots ensued. Jeremy's prodding with the rifle might have tipped him over into the bucket, or did he place his father there as symbol of the New Order, reluctant to view his handiwork, the human carnage unsettling his exultant mood, just as he vowed never to gaze upon June's face again after the final shot between the forehead.

Or might it have been to ensure that she'd never again turn her disapproving gaze on him?