ESSEX BOYS MURDERS

[David1819]

Sorry it was the cannabis drop in the field mentioned in the film clip. I wondered who had ordered it and why it went left unclaimed.

What film?

[Steve_uk]

What film?

It might be this one: https://youtu.be/qJxJJA2aMDI

[guest7363]

Just watched Essex Boys Sami and Lucy, catch up with you later

[sami]

Just watched Essex Boys Sami and Lucy, catch up with you later

nice one justice,hope you injoyed it mate

[Adam]

Yeah I see what your saying. I really don't think they did it personally, Nicholls roll never have to worry as he has a whole new identity but if they squealed they would be killed when they got our anyway

There are a lot of innocent & unlucky people in prison. Bamber & now Steele & Whomes.

[Adam]

Here is part of Nicholls statement.


When we got to the pub jack told me to park at the back as far away from the A127 as possible which I did. I could see Mick's Toyota parked in front of us to the left, after we parked Jack changed his mind and said no dont park here park as close to the A127 so I moved the car. I could still see the hi-lux which was in front again but to my right. Then we had to leave the car running because the windows were misting up because of the weather, I said shall we have a drink and Sack said no. Then he said we were waiting for Pat to arrive and go to a meeting point, shortly after that he said right go.

I saw a dark coloured Range Rover when he said that, the Range Rover drove and parked next to Micky's hi-lux, I couldn't see who was in the Range Rover. Jack then told me to drive off and up the slip road by the pub and back down the A127 to Southend, that is what I did. then he gave me directions down the A127 and on to the A130 to Chelmsford I think, which I am familiar with. A130 goes from the A127 all the way to Chelmsford, but we went to the Rettendon Turnpike, which is a roundabout with traffic lights on it. I went straight over to carry on towards Chelmsford, on the other side of Rettendon turnpike and up the hill and back down hill and out the other side.

Jack then said slow down and take the next right, which I did, it was a lane not a road, then I turned left into a gap to turn the car round, the head lamps were facing the road back towards the A130. Jack told me he would ring me when he wanted picking up, I had my mobile with me, he got out had a bag and a coat from the back, the bag I think was a canvass sausage shape bag, I didn't notice it in the car before, I might have done but it didn’t register. He told me he would ring me when he wanted me to pick him up, so I pulled off and went right towards Chelmsford, I drove down the road to the first point I could turn round to a petrol station, then I drove back up the road and parked in a pub on the left hand side of the road. I left the engine running and checked my phone to see I had a lousy signal so I moved to get a better signal up the road.

The pub I was in had a bright pink Morris Minor, the next pub I parked in past the lane and up the hill and took the first left turn, went up that road turned around and first left up there, then came up and parked outside the first house on my left and waited for him to ring. I didn’t wait there very long, my phone rang, Jack said come and pick us up and hung up I think I might have said ok. I turned right went back down the road, and had to wait for a few cars to go past so I could turn right into the lane, then turned the car round to face the road again. I didn’t see anyone and after a short period of time the back opened and Jack got in. I didn’t notice the interior light come on.

I said “where’s Mick” he said he won’t be a minute he’s dropped something. Jack was sitting between the back seats talking to me then Mick opened the passenger door of the car and the interior light came on. When the light came on I was looking at Jack, I notice he had surgical gloves and I saw something on them like blood, Mick said turn the interior light off, Mick had shut the door about the same time, then he said “lets get going,” he said go left towards Rettendon turnpike, so I pulled out, something clicked in my mind something had happened.

I pulled out in front on a car, Mick asked if I was ok, I said yes I was and as we drove up the road towards turnpike, Mick said they wont fuck us about no more, and Jack said yeah it was quite funny cause when Mick had shot one of them the gun fell apart, he kept asking me if I was ok several times. I realised what happened but not to who, so I said I hope I don’t fall out with you two, Mick said no you wont fall out with us. Micks started to hand over to Jack parts of the gun, I saw the barrels. I dont know the names of the other parts, I definitely saw the barrels. I was driving I was a bit confused at the time.

From the Rettendon turnpike we went back down the A130 to Southend, then at Rawreth traffic lights I turned left, straight to the bottom of that road, we turned right and then took another right turn on or two roads later. As we went up the road there was a pub on the right, the Hungry Horse or Hungry Hippo something like that. I drove into the car park of the pub and parked next to Mick’s Toyota which was on the left and stopped the car. They got out and I was still sitting there.

Mick had opened up his Toyota he told me to go and get in the Toyota which I did, then they were getting changed sort of thing, Mick was taking off his wellies and overalls off over his wellies, then slipping his shoes on, boiler suit and wellies were put in the pick up truck and Jack did the same I think, and then we drove off Mick drove the hi-lux with me in passenger seat and Jack was behind us in the Passat. We drove past the Rettendon lane, then Jack overtook us on the dual carriageway as we were driving slower.

There was some conversation in the car with Mr Steele, he said Jack was very cold hearted I said why, he first of all said when they stopped down the lane a gate had been shut so I got out the range rover I didn’t know where Jack was, then Jack leant into the range rover and shot all three of them, Jack handed Mick a gun and Mick shot them, then he said once that had happened Jack reloaded his gun and shot them all in the back of the head. I cant recall anything else that was said, I did say can we stop and have a drink Mick originally said yes good idea as Mick looked shaken up but when we got to Marks Tey he said best get home straight away. Then I got in my car and headed back to Braintree.

Afterwards I was working at Mick’s new house, like a cottage and there was things spoken there with Jack and Mick. In conversations Mick told me that when he was driving to the lane with them in the Range Rover that Pat’s girlfriend Sarah had rung Pat on the telephone all lovey dovey which he hated, not like when Sarah talked to Mick and Jackie. He was concerned Pat might have said he was with Mick now but he didn’t. Then he hung up the phone just as they were at the lane. I don’t know if it was Mick or Jack said when Pat was shot in the back he started to squeal like a baby and his hand had come up and put his hand through the window.

Also Jack had said to me at some point Mick was really excited when he shot them and saying “give me some more cartridge, give me some more cartridges.” Afterwards Mick said that he hadn’t felt bad about it as Pat deserved it he was such a bastard, who would give a fuck that pat was dead as nobody liked him which was quite true probably. There was conversation as why it happened with Mick. Roughly it was that when the money had been returned from the bad drug deal a lot of the money Pat had put into it wasn’t his he had borrowed it and that what Pat decided to do was not pay the people back and blame Mick to say he hadn’t paid them back. Mick knew this because Sarah had told him Pat’s ex girlfriend.

Pat was telling them he hadn’t been paid back and if he wasn’t paid back he would kill Mick.

That seems convincing. Going into detail.

It would be interesting to know the time Tate spoke to his girlfriend on the phone. If it was shortly before Whomes 4 second phone call, it shows Tate, Tucker & Rolfe had willingly driven to the farm gate, rather than being held at gun point. It also shows they knew their killers.

Steele & Whomes were lucky that Tate didn't mention the names of who he was with to his girlfriend. 

[Adam]

There was no reason to use Nicholls.

Whomes could have just parked somewhere quiet a few hundred yards away. After the massacre, Steel & Whomes could have walked back to the car.

Clothes could then be burned, the car cleaned or burned & the murder weapon dumped. They could then be each others alibi's.

[Adam]

Just watched Essex Boys Sami and Lucy, catch up with you later

A lot of inaccurracies in this film. If Sean Bean is supposed to be Tate, he's portrayed as a big time player, which he wasn't. But Sean Bean is a film star so his part had to be beefed up.

The massacre is given the hollywood treatment & the driver isn't even killed.

[Adam]

The only reason why Nicholls may have been used, is Whomes didn't want his car seen within the area on the night. The motorways would have CCTV. He would then not be able to claim he was at home that night.

The solution to this would be to use a car he has no connection to. He was going to kill 3 people, so obtaining such a vehicle for one night would not be hard.

However even if Whomes's car was spotted by CCTV on the night, a long way from the massacre sight, it wouldn't be enough for the police.

So still no reason to use Nicholl's.

[Lucy522]

The only reason why Nicholls may have been used, is Whomes didn't want his car seen within the area on the night. The motorways would have CCTV. He would then not be able to claim he was at home that night.

The solution to this would be to use a car he has no connection to. He was going to kill 3 people, so obtaining such a vehicle for one night would not be hard.

However even if Whomes's car was spotted by CCTV on the night, a long way from the massacre sight, it wouldn't be enough for the police.

So still no reason to use Nicholl's.

No reason for Nicholls to be involved at all he was a nobody

[Lucy522]

For those who believe them innocent. Who are there alternative suspects and what evidence do they have?

Who were the canning town mob mentioned? I can't remember off the top of my head but think they were bigger time gangsters?

[guest7363]

A lot of inaccurracies in this film. If Sean Bean is supposed to be Tate, he's portrayed as a big time player, which he wasn't. But Sean Bean is a film star so his part had to be beefed up.

The massacre is given the hollywood treatment & the driver isn't even killed.

Admitted but still good to watch, liked Tom Wilkinson out of Full Monty, both he and Sean took good parts.

[Lucy522]

Admitted but still good to watch, liked Tom Wilkinson out of Full Monty, both he and Sean took good parts.

Justice next on the list Rise of the footsoldier

[guest7363]

Justice next on the list Rise of the footsoldier

Ha Ha, just watched a 10 min trailer, now this film looks the part wow, that man does look scary 

[sami]

A lot of inaccurracies in this film. If Sean Bean is supposed to be Tate, he's portrayed as a big time player, which he wasn't. But Sean Bean is a film star so his part had to be beefed up.

The massacre is given the hollywood treatment & the driver isn't even killed.

its not fact based adam.but the story line is very close.i wouldnt say he was shown as a big time player but a well know villain.