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Offline Jane

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« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2017, 04:43:PM »
Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance  and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?

And it's at this point where the simple doing something out of duty and because one must becomes quite separate from the feeling that one wants to.

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« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2017, 04:45:PM »





You never use examples then ?

I can't promise NEVER, but hopefully VERY infrequently.

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« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2017, 05:03:PM »
Yes and I bet history will repeat itself amongst many families ( which we don't know of ) come Christmas by those who,under sufferance  and not out of love for their parents, will pay their annual fleeting visits.
Why single out JB ?
But hopefully not murder them  :(

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« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2017, 05:13:PM »
I think one thing has been established, Bamber had no love at all for his parents.  We all know when he comes with his Christmas blog about baking with mum and walking with Dad, we all know it’s Bollox. ;D ;D ;D

Is that from your wedding gossipmonger?

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« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2017, 05:20:PM »
But hopefully not murder them  :(







 He didn't murder anyone. As you'll find out in due course.

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« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2017, 05:28:PM »
Is that from your wedding gossipmonger?
It's from Brett Collins himself, it's from James Richards, who made a career in the army, it's from Chris Nevill and it's from Julie.

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« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2017, 05:30:PM »
Is that from your wedding gossipmonger?
Its in the interview xxxxx  ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2017, 05:34:PM »
It's from Brett Collins himself, it's from James Richards, who made a career in the army, it's from Chris Nevill and it's from Julie.
He knows Steve, he’s been waiting to goad you can set your Cartier watch with him, in other words predictable ha ha

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« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2017, 05:53:PM »
Exactly, I am sure you know how scathing he can be in respect to Colin. He isn't loyal - you have experience of that.Lookout paints him as someone far removed from the person I conversed with.

One point about the interview above (and thanks for posting by the way). If Brett heard part of the conversation where Julie talked about the police, he must have heard more.

I second your thanks to Mike for posting this very interesting document.

And what's more i agree with your point 100% for once Caroline )

I would be very surprised indeed if Brett did not have at least some knowledge at some point.

As has been pointed out in this thread Brett was a good judge of character and relationships between people etc - he was good at reading people and situations - i think his statement backs that view up.

It is interesting that whilst living with Jeremy at Goldhanger from early June until the later part of July that he was also working at the farm with him.

Is the following scenario actually possible ?

Brett met a very naive and easily impressionable Jeremy in New Zealand 3 years or so before the murders.

Brett realised Jeremy's parents were rich and sensed an opportunity.

He became Jeremy's best friend and planted the idea in Jeremy's head.

He might have even told Jeremy that he had killed someone himself in a robbery to get a good mental hold and impress Jeremy.

That would explain Susan Battersby's saying this about Brett in her statement.

Maybe he came over at the beginning of June to have a look and encourage Jeremy more.

Once he had got to know the farm by working there and getting a feel for the place and people he then pushed Jeremy to do it with the promise of them travelling the world together in luxury as soon as it was done.

Maybe Jeremy was thinking how easily Brett had got away with his previous murder and really wanted the high life badly.Maybe he really did not like his family anyway.

Then Brett goes to Mykonos as his alibi before the murders telling Jeremy he will be back as soon as it is done.

Or maybe Brett did fly back for a couple of days and drove him to the farm and back and gave him a hand in the murders ...

As soon as the murders are done Brett is back inseparable from Jeremy, starting to party and travel, starting to sell assets and raise money - until it goes wrong and Jeremy is arrested.

Maybe Brett wanted Jeremy and the money.

He hung about until Jeremy was convicted in case he got off and the Brett vanished.

Maybe Brett's only mistake (blinded by love ?) was as he was trying to impress and get control of Jeremy by telling him about his previous robbery/murder he did not think that Jeremy would do the same to Julie for the same reasons - for example telling Julie about Brett's previous robbery/murder and his own murder plans to impress and gain control of her because of his desire for her and his desire to gain control over her ?

Maybe Brett just didn't account for just how deeply Jeremy desired women.

What did Brett know ? and when ?






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« Reply #99 on: November 25, 2017, 05:59:PM »
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« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2017, 06:14:PM »
I second your thanks to Mike for posting this very interesting document.

And what's more i agree with your point 100% for once Caroline )

I would be very surprised indeed if Brett did not have at least some knowledge at some point.

As has been pointed out in this thread Brett was a good judge of character and relationships between people etc - he was good at reading people and situations - i think his statement backs that view up.

It is interesting that whilst living with Jeremy at Goldhanger from early June until the later part of July that he was also working at the farm with him.

Is the following scenario actually possible ?

Brett met a very naive and easily impressionable Jeremy in New Zealand 3 years or so before the murders.

Brett realised Jeremy's parents were rich and sensed an opportunity.

He became Jeremy's best friend and planted the idea in Jeremy's head.

He might have even told Jeremy that he had killed someone himself in a robbery to get a good mental hold and impress Jeremy.

That would explain Susan Battersby's saying this about Brett in her statement.

Maybe he came over at the beginning of June to have a look and encourage Jeremy more.

Once he had got to know the farm by working there and getting a feel for the place and people he then pushed Jeremy to do it with the promise of them travelling the world together in luxury as soon as it was done.

Maybe Jeremy was thinking how easily Brett had got away with his previous murder and really wanted the high life badly.Maybe he really did not like his family anyway.

Then Brett goes to Mykonos as his alibi before the murders telling Jeremy he will be back as soon as it is done.

Or maybe Brett did fly back for a couple of days and drove him to the farm and back and gave him a hand in the murders ...

As soon as the murders are done Brett is back inseparable from Jeremy, starting to party and travel, starting to sell assets and raise money - until it goes wrong and Jeremy is arrested.

Maybe Brett wanted Jeremy and the money.

He hung about until Jeremy was convicted in case he got off and the Brett vanished.

Maybe Brett's only mistake (blinded by love ?) was as he was trying to impress and get control of Jeremy by telling him about his previous robbery/murder he did not think that Jeremy would do the same to Julie for the same reasons - for example telling Julie about Brett's previous robbery/murder and his own murder plans to impress and gain control of her because of his desire for her and his desire to gain control over her ?

Maybe Brett just didn't account for just how deeply Jeremy desired women.

What did Brett know ? and when ?


Brett has no motive. Gay marriage was not an option back then.

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« Reply #101 on: November 25, 2017, 06:18:PM »
I second your thanks to Mike for posting this very interesting document.

And what's more i agree with your point 100% for once Caroline )

I would be very surprised indeed if Brett did not have at least some knowledge at some point.

As has been pointed out in this thread Brett was a good judge of character and relationships between people etc - he was good at reading people and situations - i think his statement backs that view up.

It is interesting that whilst living with Jeremy at Goldhanger from early June until the later part of July that he was also working at the farm with him.

Is the following scenario actually possible ?

Brett met a very naive and easily impressionable Jeremy in New Zealand 3 years or so before the murders.

Brett realised Jeremy's parents were rich and sensed an opportunity.

He became Jeremy's best friend and planted the idea in Jeremy's head.

He might have even told Jeremy that he had killed someone himself in a robbery to get a good mental hold and impress Jeremy.

That would explain Susan Battersby's saying this about Brett in her statement.

Maybe he came over at the beginning of June to have a look and encourage Jeremy more.

Once he had got to know the farm by working there and getting a feel for the place and people he then pushed Jeremy to do it with the promise of them travelling the world together in luxury as soon as it was done.

Maybe Jeremy was thinking how easily Brett had got away with his previous murder and really wanted the high life badly.Maybe he really did not like his family anyway.

Then Brett goes to Mykonos as his alibi before the murders telling Jeremy he will be back as soon as it is done.

Or maybe Brett did fly back for a couple of days and drove him to the farm and back and gave him a hand in the murders ...

As soon as the murders are done Brett is back inseparable from Jeremy, starting to party and travel, starting to sell assets and raise money - until it goes wrong and Jeremy is arrested.

Maybe Brett wanted Jeremy and the money.

He hung about until Jeremy was convicted in case he got off and the Brett vanished.

Maybe Brett's only mistake (blinded by love ?) was as he was trying to impress and get control of Jeremy by telling him about his previous robbery/murder he did not think that Jeremy would do the same to Julie for the same reasons - for example telling Julie about Brett's previous robbery/murder and his own murder plans to impress and gain control of her because of his desire for her and his desire to gain control over her ?

Maybe Brett just didn't account for just how deeply Jeremy desired women.

What did Brett know ? and when ?
You have hit a lot of great points there Sherlock, you can see from the interview he’s covering his tracks, trying a little for his mate, but ready to stab him if he has to  ;D ;D ;D.

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Re: Essex Police Interview, Brett Collins...
« Reply #102 on: November 25, 2017, 06:21:PM »

Brett has no motive. Gay marriage was not an option back then.
I think Sherlock's point is that Brett goaded Jeremy into murder just as John Venables was supposed to have been led by Robert Thompson. Jeremy evidently had very little feel for relationships-after all he had entrusted his life to Julie and must have felt bitterly let down when she went to the Police. The conversation in question let's not forget was post-murders, so it's impossible to ascertain exactly what Brett did know and when.

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« Reply #103 on: November 25, 2017, 06:50:PM »
Looks like the police were quickly onto Brett and wanting an interview, don’t agree with them calling him a poof though?  Looks like Bamber gave him the use of his car?

http://twitpic.com/dsllo3

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« Reply #104 on: November 25, 2017, 07:15:PM »

Brett Collins, Julie and Jeremy went out drinking together a frequently after the tragedy, Jeremy Bamber recently said in an interview with the Mirror Newspaper “I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”Brett tried to keep Jeremy’s spirits high with good humour and Jeremy even joined his friend, the twins father, Colin Caffell on the 9th of August where he, Jeremy, Julie, Brett and three others went for Chinese meal and then on to a concert as both Jeremy and Colin tried to put a brave face on their grief. [7]

Have Bamber’s supporters got this date wrong?  9th of August?

Only in Brett’s statement he says he only met Colin twice, at the funerals and he says last night, so I assume that was 7/9/85?  Confusing really.


https://jeremybamber.org/jeremy-bamber/