was there a redail feture on the phone.

[Caroline]

ill qaute you here.

I got that from here - Harters posted the document and it doesn't say anything about using a phone at WHF just that they used a land line. That's the problem with repeating stuff from this forum that has no official source. I had (like others) took for granted what was posted here - them Maggie posted the Lomax page number and although he claims there is documentation he doesn't reference anything and the doc that Harters posted doesn't back up the claim either. In the face of NO EVIDENCE it has to be assigned to the myth bin. An officer may have made a call from a land line but that doesn't mean the call was made from WHF!

[Caroline]

i cant see any reason he would lie in his report.

By the way, quoting me isn't an official source, I've been exposed to as many myths as everyone else here. However, slowly and surely I'm sorting the wheat from the chaff!

[nugnug]

By the way, quoting me isn't an official source, I've been exposed to as many myths as everyone else here. However, slowly and surely I'm sorting the wheat from the chaff!

I qauted you because you seemed to be contradicting yourself

[nugnug]

I got that from here - Harters posted the document and it doesn't say anything about using a phone at WHF just that they used a land line. That's the problem with repeating stuff from this forum that has no official source. I had (like others) took for granted what was posted here - them Maggie posted the Lomax page number and although he claims there is documentation he doesn't reference anything and the doc that Harters posted doesn't back up the claim either. In the face of NO EVIDENCE it has to be assigned to the myth bin. An officer may have made a call from a land line but that doesn't mean the call was made from WHF!

and how does. that make him any different any other auther on the case.

ainsly backs him up.

[Caroline]

and how does. that make him any different any other auther on the case.

ainsly backs him up.

Where does does he state that an officer used the phone at WHF?

[Caroline]

I qauted you because you seemed to be contradicting yourself

Well in a way I did - but until yesterday, like others I believed a call may have been made from that phone, however, looking into it, it would seem not.

[lookout]

If it's taken nigh on 6 years for JB to " match up " documents pertaining to various statements/notes/files written by officers and witnesses,with the PROOF under his nose,who are any of us to argue whether there were calls made or who used what phone and for what purpose ?
I'm sure JB isn't poring over such trivialities at this stage.

[Caroline]

If it's taken nigh on 6 years for JB to " match up " documents pertaining to various statements/notes/files written by officers and witnesses,with the PROOF under his nose,who are any of us to argue whether there were calls made or who used what phone and for what purpose ?
I'm sure JB isn't poring over such trivialities at this stage.

Who are we to question? When such claims are made it's for all of us to question! How many times have wild and wonderfu claims beem made only to turn out to be HS? I won't accept blind faith anymore and if someone states that documentary evidence exists, then they should state what the evidence is and where that evidence came.

[nugnug]

This report was brought up at appeal. It more or less came down to Anisley's report vs Police denying using the phone.

So either Ainsley is making stuff up or the firearms team is lying. take your pick 

well if ainsly says that there must be a reason he said that the must be proof that the station was phoned.

[Caroline]

This report was brought up at appeal. It more or less came down to Anisley's report vs Police denying using the phone.

So either Ainsley is making stuff up or the firearms team is lying. take your pick 

Ainsley can't remember who told him so he could be wrong about the whole thing and is this the same Ainsley who is supposed to have been the chief fitter upper? 

[nugnug]

Ainsley can't remember who told him so he could be wrong about the whole thing and is this the same Ainsley who is supposed to have been the chief fitter upper? 

why would he ask if somone used it in the first place unless he reason to.

[maggie]

Jeeze! I only asked a question. If it is being debated (as it seems to be) that the office phone contained a memory of someone calling the police then it makes a BIG difference. However, it seems that although there was such a phone; it is where the subject begins and ends. The phone by itself makes no odds , other claims of last numbers dialed does!

Sorry Caroline I was really stressed at that time yesterday about something not connected with the forum.
I only posted about the phone to prove there was a phone in the office with a last number memory as Adam was haranguing me about it.  I agree there is another question connected to the quote from Lomax's book but I wasn't able to be involved in it at that time.

[Caroline]

Sorry Caroline I was really stressed at that time yesterday about something not connected with the forum.
I only posted about the phone to prove there was a phone in the office with a last number memory as Adam was haranguing me about it.  I agree there is another question connected to the quote from Lomax's book but I wasn't able to be involved in it at that time.

No problem. Someone might like to ask Lomax himself BUT when I asked him to clarify a point in the past, his just referred me to the CT.

[David1819]

Ainsley can't remember who told him so he could be wrong about the whole thing and is this the same Ainsley who is supposed to have been the chief fitter upper? 

He must have either got that information from someone and if so who? Or he made it up and if so why?

[Caroline]

He must have either got that information from someone and if so who? Or he made it up and if so why?

I have just said where he got it from, he said he saw 'a document' from the CT, he couldn't remember what it was  and didn't have time to look and that I should contact the CT. My question was in relation to Sheila's print on the shotgun. Personally, I don't think he lied, I just don't think the book is very well researched and there is perhaps too uch relience on the CT. But that's just my opinion.