How it started

[Lucy522]

Yes exactly or did he polish it all down as he left?? Do you not think he would of been worried someone close could of overheard the shots/fight and come to see what was happening, surely no mass murderer would be cleaning up before leaving the scene???

[Adam]

268. The examination of the Farm for entry and exit marks became particularly significant. On the 1 October 1985 Brian Elliott a forensic scientist examined the window catch and surrounding area of the downstairs bathroom/toilet sash window. He noticed that the brass catch had been scratched on the inner edge and that there was damage to the white paintwork on the adjacent faces of the top of the bottom sash and the bottom of the top sash. The white paint on the outside of the window including the outer face of the top of the bottom sash appeared clean and fresh.

269. He concluded that the damage to the sash window and catch was consistent with a thin blade having been inserted between the closely fitting sashes of the window in an effort to force the catch open. Furthermore this attack occurred after the outside of the window had last been painted.

There was evidence that the windows had been painted in June and July.

[Kaldin]

263. Police Sergeant Golding gave evidence that at 2.30 p.m. on 7 August he commenced to secure the ground floor and found all windows to be secure and fastened with the exception of two windows.

One was in the ground floor bathroom, which was in a closed position with the catch open. He secured the window by closing the latch.

The other was a transom window, which formed part of a casement type window in the kitchen. The transom window was open approximately halfway. He secured the window.

Followed by this:

264. In contrast with Sergeant Golding, DCI Jones made a statement dated 7 October 1985 in which he reported that he had attended at the farm at approximately 9.15 a.m. on 7 August and he had proceeded to check every room on the ground floor of the house and found that on the ground floor all the windows in the house were secure and locked except the window to the dairy. That statement was read to the Jury as part of the Defence case.

[Kaldin]

268. The examination of the Farm for entry and exit marks became particularly significant. On the 1 October 1985 Brian Elliott a forensic scientist examined the window catch and surrounding area of the downstairs bathroom/toilet sash window. He noticed that the brass catch had been scratched on the inner edge and that there was damage to the white paintwork on the adjacent faces of the top of the bottom sash and the bottom of the top sash. The white paint on the outside of the window including the outer face of the top of the bottom sash appeared clean and fresh.

269. He concluded that the damage to the sash window and catch was consistent with a thin blade having been inserted between the closely fitting sashes of the window in an effort to force the catch open. Furthermore this attack occurred after the outside of the window had last been painted.

There was evidence that the windows had been painted in June and July.

Jeremy said he got in that window in September didn't he?

[Steve_uk]

135. He told the police that there were occasions when he gained entry to his parents' home by way of a number of the downstairs windows including those in the kitchen and the bathroom. He explained that he used a knife to move the catches in order that the window could be opened from the outside.

I mean can't the Bamber defence admit for once that this is at the very least suspicious..

[Kaldin]

Maybe someone wanted to open the shower room window after they had a shower and couldn't because the paint had stuck. It could have happened any time.

[Adam]

Maybe someone wanted to open the shower room window after they had a shower and couldn't because the paint had stuck. It could have happened any time.

Maybe Sheila had her shower after killing 4 people.  Before doing some washing up & moving the sink tidy.

[Caroline]

Jeremy said he got in that window in September didn't he?

Yes, so it wasn't painted shut.

[guest2181]

Well it's not proof that Jeremy left the house that way. In fact, I think it would be difficult to do so and leave it all so tidy with no footprints or debris on the draining board.

If you needed to get into the house without a key, would you not usually use the same method?

I do find it a bit odd that JB said he had previously got in and out using a number of different Windows. Kitchen, Scullery, bathroom.

[lebaleb]

Maybe Sheila had her shower after killing 4 people.  Before doing some washing up & moving the sink tidy.

That is a possibility.

[Adam]

That is a possibility.

The suggestion at court was that Bamber moved the sink tidy  as he exited the kitchen window. PB said it had never been moved prior to the massacre.

Do you believe that is a possibility as well ?

[Kaldin]

Maybe Sheila had her shower after killing 4 people.  Before doing some washing up & moving the sink tidy.

I think you're entering the realms of fantasy now Adam. 

[lookout]

I think Adam's going bonkers. Look how many times he's mentioned the " sink tidy ".

[maggie]

I think Adam's going bonkers. Look how many times he's mentioned the " sink tidy ".

Think he's trying to bore me to death, lookout.  There's something about a 'sink tidy' which makes me want to go to sleep.

[Adam]

Think he's trying to bore me to death, lookout.  There's something about a 'sink tidy' which makes me want to go to sleep.

You may prefer Roch's discovered evidence he can't reveal. Or Bill's & Mike's photos they can't post.

I prefer to discuss published witness statements & court testimonies.

The sink tidy evidence shows 100% that Bamber exited the kitchen window.

No one believes Sheila did some washing up & moved the sink tidy after killing 4 people