How it started

[Kaldin]

How does he secure the lower catch?

He couldn't. It fits onto a "peg" or "pegs", as DC Barlow said.

[Adam]

262. It was the Crown's case that the appellant entered White House Farm, for the purpose of carrying out the murders, by the downstairs bathroom window and left the premises by the kitchen window.

[Adam]

He couldn't. It fits onto a "peg" or "pegs", as DC Barlow said.

I answered this in reply 516, 517 & 518.

David didn't even supply the crime scene picture.

[Kaldin]

A sink tidy would last a long time. If it got old they would replace it with an exact same sink tidy. They are still available to buy 32 years later.

The housekeeper had worked there for 20 years. She had never seen the sink tidy in a different location. Until seeing the crime scene photos.

No one has supported Lookout's & David's suggestions. No one has said Sheila did some washing up & moved the sink tidy after killing 4 people.

Bamber had to exit out of the kitchen window. That is the window that could be banged shut from outside.

The sink tidy was infront of this window. Covering a large area which Bamber had to climb onto.

Bamber moved the sink tidy as he got onto the sink & exited the window.

Jean B wasn't there all the time. Clearly, someone in the family washed up after dinner and left the sink very clean. Perhaps they were in the habit of leaving the sink tidy upright to wipe the draining board and/or to let the sink tidy dry. Then perhaps after the breakfast things had been washed up, they left it flat.

I think it's quite unlikely that Jeremy would move the sink tidy, then lean in and carefully stand it on end.

[Kaldin]

I answered this in reply 516, 517 & 518.

David didn't even supply the crime scene picture.

The bottom catch is hidden in the crime scene photo, but you can see the type of catch it is. DC Barlow also described it.

[Lucy522]

Jean B wasn't there all the time. Clearly, someone in the family washed up after dinner and left the sink very clean. Perhaps they were in the habit of leaving the sink tidy upright to wipe the draining board and/or to let the sink tidy dry. Then perhaps after the breakfast things had been washed up, they left it flat.

I think it's quite unlikely that Jeremy would move the sink tidy, then lean in and carefully stand it on end.

Kaldin were these photos taken on the day?

[Kaldin]

Kaldin were these photos taken on the day?

I believe so, yes - the one where you can't see the bottom catch anyway.

[Adam]

135. He told the police that there were occasions when he gained entry to his parents' home by way of a number of the downstairs windows including those in the kitchen and the bathroom. He explained that he used a knife to move the catches in order that the window could be opened from the outside.

[lookout]

June would have washed up after supper so anything which appeared out of place would indeed have been tidied up by herself.
Though how anyone here would know where everything went or was supposed to be,I fail to see.

[Adam]

149. The appellant returned the moderator to the gun cupboard and before leaving the address called his home at Goldhanger, leaving the receiver off the hook, thus lending support to the alibi he would later rely upon.

He then left the premises, one available route being to climb out of the kitchen window, banging it from the outside to drop the catch back into position and then cycled home.

[Lucy522]

I believe so, yes - the one where you can't see the bottom catch anyway.

Thanks kaldin, I'm just not buying that a sink tidy Is proof of murder,

[Lucy522]

If the phone was left off the hook it would be engaged surely? So how was the line open?

[Adam]

iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window.

His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

[Kaldin]

Thanks kaldin, I'm just not buying that a sink tidy Is proof of murder,

Well it's not proof that Jeremy left the house that way. In fact, I think it would be difficult to do so and leave it all so tidy with no footprints or debris on the draining board.

[Adam]

263. Police Sergeant Golding gave evidence that at 2.30 p.m. on 7 August he commenced to secure the ground floor and found all windows to be secure and fastened with the exception of two windows.

One was in the ground floor bathroom, which was in a closed position with the catch open. He secured the window by closing the latch.

The other was a transom window, which formed part of a casement type window in the kitchen. The transom window was open approximately halfway. He secured the window.