How it started

[guest2181]

At trial.

Also on page 8 her first statement which doesn't appear to be dated.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.html

She is shown a crime scene photograph of the sink area and states that the plastic yellow tray and washing up liquid were not in their usual place, she then describes other items out of place.

In which case, Adam is correct, it couldn't have been from the police clean-up.

[maggie]

Everyone lied under oath in this case. Except Bamber.

Even the pathologist didn't say Sheila had any cuts on her. Roch & Bill kindly correcting him.

I haven't ever said any specific person lied but it is a fact of life that people lie under oath.  Some people lie all the time anyway, they can't seem to help themselves and some others lie to save their own skin.

[Jane]

I haven't ever said any specific person lied but it is a fact of life that people lie under oath.  Some people lie all the time anyway, they can't seem to help themselves and some others lie to save their own skin.

What reason would the disparate group, said to have lied, all have, to save their respective skins?

[maggie]

Also on page 8 her first statement which doesn't appear to be dated.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.html

She is shown a crime scene photograph of the sink area and states that the plastic yellow tray and washing up liquid were not in their usual place, she then describes other items out of place.

In which case, Adam is correct, it couldn't have been from the police clean-up.

If not from that think there is a theory that Sheila ha possibly  moved things after washing up.    Or JB had moved them before climbing out of the window.

[Adam]

Also on page 8 her first statement which doesn't appear to be dated.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.html

She is shown a crime scene photograph of the sink area and states that the plastic yellow tray and washing up liquid were not in their usual place, she then describes other items out of place.

In which case, Adam is correct, it couldn't have been from the police clean-up.

My source was from Wilkes's book.

Her WS is now another source.

David's photo of the window from outside has been dismissed.

[maggie]

What reason would the disparate group, said to have lied, all have, to save their respective skins?

I am not saying any of them lied, Jane.  Simply saying to Adam that people do lie under oath, possibly quite often.

[guest2181]

If not from that think there is a theory that Sheila ha possibly  moved things after washing up.    Or JB had moved them before climbing out of the window.

Yeah I guess so, I'm sure people will pick the one that coincides with their belief of a guilty or innocent JB.

For example, I think he moved items in front of the window to make it appear that nobody has climbed out of the window. 

(Actually I don't really have a view on it)

[David1819]

My source was from Wilkes's book.

Her WS is now another source.

David's photo of the window from outside has been dismissed.

Photos do not lie, People do. To continue to believe people in the face of photographic records showing their accounts to be incorrect or bogus is an act of desperation and appalling ignorance on your part.

[guest2181]

Photos do not lie, People do. To continue to believe people in the face of photographic records showing their accounts to be incorrect or bogus is an act of desperation and appalling ignorance on your part.

I'm not really following this, who is telling lies? And why? 

[Adam]

Yeah I guess so, I'm sure people will pick the one that coincides with their belief of a guilty or innocent JB.

For example, I think he moved items in front of the window to make it appear that nobody has climbed out of the window. 

(Actually I don't really have a view on it)

That is a possibility. In that case David's photo backs up Bamber climbing through the kitchen window when leaving.

Either way, the housekeeper had no reason to commit perjury.

[maggie]

Yeah I guess so, I'm sure people will pick the one that coincides with their belief of a guilty or innocent JB.

For example, I think he moved items in front of the window to make it appear that nobody has climbed out of the window. 

(Actually I don't really have a view on it)

Nor me Harters. 

[Adam]

The best thing is for everyone to accept the housekeepers WS & testimony.

Guilters can say Bamber moved items when exiting the window.

Supporters can say Sheila did some washing up before reading the bible and having her shower.

[maggie]

That is a possibility. In that case David's photo backs up Bamber climbing through the kitchen window when leaving.

Either way, the housekeeper had no reason to commit perjury.

I don't believe for one minute that June Boutell committed perjury.  I don't think there is any question of that.

[lookout]

I don't believe for one minute that June Boutell committed perjury.  I don't think there is any question of that.

Maybe a blank memory rather than perjury Maggie,as looking at the place I wouldn't have said " everything was in its place " if you understand.

[maggie]

Maybe a blank memory rather than perjury Maggie,as looking at the place I wouldn't have said " everything was in its place " if you understand.

I suppose some people keep everything in exactly the same place year in, year out but even so anyone could have moved things or not imo