How it started

[guest2181]

I'm pleased to hear that.  However, I'm not sure that the work ethnic was stronger back then. In any case, Jeremy did work. I don't know why people imply that he didn't.

If he's being described as lazy, work shy and a bit of a playboy, then perhaps that's exactly what he was?

It's not my description, but it was the media's take on him at the time.

Where is the evidence that he had a good work ethic?

[Kaldin]

Maybe the girl was to appease June for what she'd suffered. Maybe June thought she'd cope better with a girl. They were people with old fashioned values so perhaps -even had Sheila shown the remotest interest- it wouldn't have been acceptable. You keep saying that there's no evidence of him hating farming. There's even less -by his own actions- that he loved it.

Like what? He liked going to London? So what? Lots of people like to do different things at weekends.

[guest2181]

I just meant that if they pressurised Jeremy, as Jane claims, why didn't they pressurise Sheila as well?

I don't think that they did pressure JB.

[Kaldin]

If he's being described as lazy, work shy and a bit of a playboy, then perhaps that's exactly what he was?

It's not my description, but it was the media's take on him at the time.

Where is the evidence that he had a good work ethic?

Who described him that way? The media say lots of things, but that doesn't make it true.

How do you know how hard he worked on the farm?

[Kaldin]

I don't think that they did pressure JB.

Perhaps you should tell Jane that.

[lookout]

It used to be more important for the man to have secure employment as girls were seen as " home-makers " years ago.It would have seemed that this ideology had been alive and kicking at WHF as it didn't seem as important for Sheila to be pushed into employment as Jeremy,who,in future years would have been seen as the breadwinner.
Somehow,girls education was never seen as being as important as the boys.

[guest2181]

Who described him that way? The media say lots of things, but that doesn't make it true.

How do you know how hard he worked on the farm?

I think I covered that with my second sentence above.

I think he'd run out of options and farming was all that was left for him.

[Kaldin]

It used to be more important for the man to have secure employment as girls were seen as " home-makers " years ago.It would have seemed that this ideology had been alive and kicking at WHF as it didn't seem as important for Sheila to be pushed into employment as Jeremy,who,in future years would have been seen as the breadwinner.
Somehow,girls education was never seen as being as important as the boys.

That was possibly the case in the Bamber family and their relatives' families, but not really the case generally in the '80s.

[Kaldin]

I think I covered that with my second sentence above.

I think he'd run out of options and farming was all that was left for him.

Well this is what some people assume. They have to say that in order to justify the motive for the murders because money alone wouldn't be a great motive.

[guest2181]

Well this is what some people assume. They have to say that in order to justify the motive for the murders because money alone wouldn't be a great motive.

I'm not really on board with that statement.

I think it's quite understandable for people to think that JB wanted more than he had.

[lookout]

That was possibly the case in the Bamber family and their relatives' families, but not really the case generally in the '80s.

June lived in the past though didn't she and what she said,went ?

[guest2181]

I'm not really on board with that statement.

I think it's quite understandable for people to think that JB wanted more than he had.

Indeed the argument that the relatives used a similar motive to frame JB is alive and well, yet seemingly easier to swallow.

[Kaldin]

I'm not really on board with that statement.

I think it's quite understandable for people to think that JB wanted more than he had.

It's not enough for people to say that he killed his family for money, they say that he also hated them. That's why he was able to kill them in cold blood, beat his father, and shoot his own mother between the eyes.

[guest2181]

It's not enough for people to say that he killed his family for money, they say that he also hated them. That's why he was able to kill them in cold blood, beat his father, and shoot his own mother between the eyes.

Perhaps they are right?

Maybe it's a conclusion that he surely couldn't have murdered them if he didn't hate them.

[Caroline]

Well this is what some people assume. They have to say that in order to justify the motive for the murders because money alone wouldn't be a great motive.

Why isn't money a great motive? It's been motive in the past and will continue to be motive in the future.